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Originally Posted by The CyNick No I would not do the HBK in Evolution deal. First, consider that the fans really love HBK, and I believe he's at a point in his career where fans just dont want to boo him on a regular basis.

Yeah, but you could say the same thing about Flair. The fans still usually cheer 'the other guy' when he's facing Flair and Evolution anyways. As far as HBK goes, there have been a few 'boos' of late (not too much, but it has been there). I'm pretty sure that the fans would be MUCH more willing to 'boo' HBK than they would Flair.

And no, him and HBK will not do anything for ratings. They have tried so many times to recreate angles from the past and they never pick up business. Think of all the recreations of the NWO, the IV Horsemen or even DX, and each time it didn't do as well as the orignial version. Business should continue to evolve not regress.

I agree with that, but would really consider Triple H and HBK 'being on the same side' (as heels) to be a re-hash? I'm not suggesting that they start acting like they did during their DX days, but I do think that the two men would do a TREMENDOUS job together in cutting heel promos. Evolution is all about being cocky. With Triple H, Orton, and HBK there, I think Evolution would pull this off to perfection.

I dont think HBK and HHH as a unit is a bad idea, but I dont think they should be heels to do it. As Ive mentioned before, I think the only sensible thing with Evolution is for Orton and Batista to tell Flair and HHH that "Evolution has passed them by".

If that happens, Triple H will be the one to turn face. Based on how "successful" his past run as a face was (2 years ago), do you really want to see this again?

I also don't like the idea of adding 'jabroni's' like Maven and Cade, etc. to Evolution. Evolution should be elitist stable in my opinion. Not just 'anyone' can enter Evolution. Also - I'd like to see Evolution be a main-event stable. If Orton takes over the group, it will no longer be a main-event stable (for the short term). Orton will still be in the IC division for atleast half a year or so.

I think I mentioned this in another thread about the same issue, that HBK and HHH should have another blowoff to their never ending feud and then hug at the end out of respect. Thats what would lead Orton and Batista to question HHH's toughness. Flair would side with HHH and try to calm things down, but Orton and Batista would beat the crap out of both of them. HBk would then form an alliance with Flair and HBK as the legends, and they would feud with the New Evolution who would show no respect for the legends of the WWE.

I don't mind that idea, but I like mine better. . I just like the idea where Orton, HBK, Triple H, and Batista become the new Evolution for awhile, and then split up either early next year or late this year (in which case, Orton and Batista pair off against a face tandem of HBK and HHH).

In terms of HHH and HBk putting aside their hatred. The way I see that is that it always happens in wrestling, but also in real life, take family, you can get into huge fights with family members but then eventually put aside what ever issues you had and make up.

I agree with this.

The advantage of heel HBK in Evolution, is that it allows a face main-eventer (who isn't currently feuding for the title) to be in a high profile feud (HBK has been made to look on the same level as Triple H). Assuming that the face goes over a guy like HBK, it makes him look 'established' enough to feud with Triple H.


p.s. As far as Orton being 'lost in the mix' (if HBK joined the group), I think that's bullshit. Orton can still be IC champion and feud with (and defeat) high quality opponents. Orton won't be main-eventing for another half year or so anyways so what difference does it make. Orton can still cut promos when Evolution gets air time. Orton is 'over' enough already as it is.

Think about this potential scenerio.

Triple H (meh - he'll get the title back) is feuding with Edge for the World title
Shawn Michaels is feuding with Chris Jericho
Randy Orton has challenged Chris Benoit for a match.

In a span of 'x' number of months, these three heels can feud with each of these 3 top faces. Throw Shelton Benjamin and Dave Batista in the mix as well.