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Originally Posted by Adder
The point people are trying to make VEL is other teams have players that can decide the outcome of a game just as much as a goalie.
You keep throwing out examples of why you claim a pitcher or QB aren't as relevant, then you go and dismiss other peoples examples in regards to goaltending.
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I've seen that point, and I disagree, same way they disagree w/ my view, but rather then giving examples, responding, discussing, Hero turns to name calling.
I do agree, that Pitchers and QB's have a big part in the outcome of a game, and I'm not dismissing there examples, I'm just saying it's not the same.
Completing a pass requires 2 people, a QB to throw and someone to catch it. If the other person doesn't do their job (catch) then the best QB in the world doesn't matter.
A goalie on the other hand, while good defense helps, a goali can have horrible defense, be facing a 3 on 0 breakaway and make a great save, this doesn't require the work of anyone but the goalie.
The closest to this would be a baseball pitcher, because if they strike everyone out, they are essentially doing the same as a goalie, however, it still requires a catcher to catch the ball and if the ball is hit, the fielders to make their regular plays.
and yes, I understand a Goalie rarely scores, and at the most, might start a breakaway w/ a key pass.