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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
yes, exactly. Probably my fav episode this season. the one With Jack and Hurley and the Lighthouse is also a favorite.
I need some help from you guys on quesitons i can't quite figure out. maybe you can help
1) This Man in Black guy. So was it him that appeared as Jack's dad and as Sharron to Boun? And all these other "dead" people. Can he only take the form of dead people? Cause then that doesn't explain Walt and how he's appeared to Locke before.
2) Am I to assume now that Ben and The Others really were the good guys throughout all this? Did they know about the Man in Black and everything?
3) What about Whitmore and his group. He was out to get Ben, but if Ben was on Jacob's side all along, that would make Whitmore bad? ughhhh
4) Last one...WHERE THE FUCK IS VINCENT  |
1 - I'm not too sure if this is totally correct. I don't like to read all the theory websites into too much detail until the season is done. Make my interpretations more interesting to figure out. But yes, the MIB used Jack's fathers body to manipulate certain choices and events caused and effected by anyone who saw them. He abducted Claire in the 4th season and 'infected' her.
He also posed as Christian to get Locke to think he was working for Jacob, when really, 'someone else' had been using Jacob's cabin, as Ilana pointed out.
Not too sure about all the other people. Yemi to Mr. Eko is a big example - it could've been The Island being representing Yemi as Eko's last chance to redeem himself, as a kind of 'last chance', yet when he confessed nothing and said sorry for nothing, the smoke monster killed him. That might of been The Island's way of allowing the MIB to act on his duty or something. Or it could've been the MIB since Eko's death lead to Locke 'finding his way', which inevitably lead to the situation were at now.
Always wondered about Walt appearing to Locke. Again, think it was either The Island, MIB or even Jacob. Whoever it was, they knew what effects would occur when Locke got out of the pit.
2) Yes and no. Ben never met Jacob, not knew of the MIB and he doesn't seem to know at all what the whole meaning of the Island, Jacob or the MIB is. He was just taking orders from Jacob handed down by Richard, in the form of lists, tasks etc. Richard said to Locke when he gave him Sawyer's file in season 3, that Ben was wasting The Other's time on trivial things like childbirth (women not being able to give birth) when he realised how special Locke was to the Island. This makes me think Ben did have a real leadership role in what they did. So I guess it's down to interpretation. Ben was/is and can be a bad guy, but really, he was working with and for Jacob, so he is also good. Then you have to look at each individual person too, like Pickett, he was a prick/bad guy kinda.
Also, Richard wasn't told by Jacob at all as to the real reasons for what they were doing. Seems as though Jacob was very reluctant to tell them anything, which is apt since it mirrors his philosophy of being all about free will and choice, whereas MIB is all about manipulation and the allure of having a chosen destiny. I really feel for Locke in this respect because he started to believe in himself and something big so much. Looking back when MIB as Christian asked Locke 'why he was here?' in the cabin, and Locke replied, 'I'm here because I was chosen' it's like although he believes its for a good reason, its the complete opposite.
3) The thing with Widmore is that he ordered Keamy and his men to get Ben, and torch the Island. That was Keamy's orders. Yet there is evidence that Widmore is/was right and good. When he told Ben to kill Alex as a baby, he claimed it was because of the will of the Island. Yet Ben challenged him on that point that if it were true, Widmore should have no problem doing it. If it was the will of Widmore (for whatever reason, I can't tell) then it would be good to know why? - maybe to frame/or put Ben in a bad light anyway because he and Ben didn't see eye to eye. OR if it was the will of the Island, it would have something to do with something more important, something I can't really think of right now - maybe to not have the events that happened, happen.
But then Widmore really did seem to know what was going on in the episode 'The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham' - he said a war was coming to the Island, and if John Locke wasn't back on the Island, the wrong side will win. Now he could've known Locke would die, and that the MIB could inhabit his body, and he wants the MIB to win, and have some kind of reward. OR, he really did want Locke back there, to lead and to have the right/good side win. I don't know.
But Widmore and Desmond are a very interesting thing for me. I can't wait to see what happens.\
4) He was last seen when Sawyer found Rose and Bernard on the beach in 1977 timeline. I assume he was Rose and Bernard's pet now, and that wherever they are/were, he is too.