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**Lara Emily** · 12-27-2010, 12:44 AM

Just moving this down

Now as for your other list

7) Rookie Games - In the preseason, there should be a small amount of games where a team may ONLY have rosters consisting of rookie eligible players and prospects. Give fans a show of the future so to speak.

Teams participate in yearly rookie tournies, not sure if all teams do but most do, so this already happens, if you made it mandatory for pre-season games, 1) people won't go, even for preseason they want to see some NHL players 2) teams have 4 or 5 games on average to get ready for the season, they need to see which new guys fit in with their roster players and need to see which roster players should be promoted or demoted. In other words reducing the number of games a coach/GM has to evaluate their team hurts their regular season preparation.

6) Rookie Max Games - Change this from 10 to 20, 10 is too few to judge a prospect and it rakes a few games to get adjusted.

That;s the thing teams don;t have time in the regular season to wait for their players to get adjusted, usually by 10 games the Teams knows if their non superstar rookie is NHL ready or not or if he'd be better suited for more time in the juniors. Most non superstar rookies with junior eligibility end up back in junior, expanding it to 20 games could actually hurt a player's development as they could end upp riding the pine for an extra 10 games playing maybe on the 4th line or as the 7th D, getting little time, when they could be playing top minutes in junior and trust me 90% of these guys get sent back unless their names are Crosby, Stamkos, Hall whatever.

5) Draft - The lottery system, while it has its uses, I do not like. Hockey should be about skill, not luck. The worst teams need the best player available. The lottery would have been a great idea pre salary cap.

I get the feeling you don't know how the draft lottery works. All the non playoff teams are entered in the lottery, the lottery is weighted so that the worst team has the best chance, the 2nd worst the 2nd best chance and so on, the max number of slots a team can move up is 4, so that means only the worst through 5th worst team in the league actually has a shot at #1 it also means worst team can draft no lower than 2nd, the 2nd no lower than 3rd, 3rd no lower than 4th, and so forth. This is in place to ensure that one team doesn't go out there and tank on purpose to get that #1 guaranteed.

4) Coach Firing Deadline - After 20 Games, The coach can't be fired until the season ends. As of this writing, the Devils fired McLean mere days ago. His best player is out, his captain is aging, his top center hasn't got anyone to pass to who can put the puck in the net, they can't ice a full roster due to ownership breaking normality and signing an offensive player and Marty is losing his battlr with father time...and this is McLeans fault? Its another case of imcompentantcy being blamed on underlings.

I'm going to be brutally honest, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard suggested like ever. I'm gonna give you a direct example why: If this were in place it would have cost the Pittsburgh Penguins the 2009 Stanley Cup, they were on the outside of the playoffs looking in and on the verge of a total collapse when they fired Therrien and hired Bylsma, after that they went on a tear, going 18-3-4 in the final 25 games to finish 4th in the league and gain home ice for the opening round. The Penguins had 59 points in 57 games under Therrien and got 40 points in 25 games under Bylsm. Therrien had lost his team if his job had been safe, the players would have given up even further and guarantee you not made the playoffs. A good coach who the players have faith in is crucial to a team's success, limiting a team's ability to fire a coach to shake up a team in a downward spiral is crazy. You do know coaches get their money when they are fired right, really no one gets screwed, team gets the change fired coach gets his money.

3) Entry Level Contracts - Players on ELC's who were drafted by the team that signed them to contract shouldnt count towards cap. This would allow rookies to get played more, would allow bad teams to spend the extra cash resigning a key player or signing a free agwnt. Many wouldn't agree with this idea however.

So sign a bunch of your rookies, to fill your 3rd and 4th lines and then used that extra money to field 2 top lines that could end up being star quality, their would be a huge cap loophole. Or all this might do is drive up salary demands for everyone else right? Players would come to a GM and say you're saving a ton of cap money, give me some of that or I walk. More players would be making max salary as a result.

You have a weird obsession with rookies, they're cool and all but last thing ya want is rushing these players into NHL service before they're ready, it can fuck up their development big time. A lot of player benefit hugely from extended playing time in he AHL, they become better players for it. Not to mention would these players count towards a team's salary flooor beause if not look out all you are doing is forcing a poor (financially) team to go out and overpay a bunch of veterans to make sure they hit the salary floor while still having to pay these rookies their money thus you'd be forcing already poor teams to spend more money then they would be previously for pretty much the same roster.

BTW even if this worked out exactly as think it would you'd be sending even more established players into early retirement and diluting the NHL talent pool and risking pissing off a lot of fans who want to see established NHL talent not the AHL at the NHL level.

2) Goalie Equipment - Goalies are good, this is not the 1980's, we don't need to see massive scoring games, hence goalies shouldnt be punished for this.

So in a lost of things you'd change your #2 thing to change is not change the goalie equipment? How is not changing something a change.

1) Shootout - I boycotted the NHL for 3 Years because of this, It is by far and away the worst change to the game that has ever happened. I want hockey, not a skills competition. And get rid of the loser point, hockey is about trying to win the game, instead of trying to not lose in regulation.

My opinion? 10 mins of 4-4 overtime, then each team gets a point and goes home. A game should be worth two points, no more, no less.

I can't believe you stopped watching hockey for something that happens maybe 10 to 15 times a year per team, if that much. Now I don't really care for the shootout either but it's silly to just give up on hockey because of it.

12-27-2010, 12:44 AM	#5
Lara Emily Hey Posts: 15,664	Just moving this down Now as for your other list 7) Rookie Games - In the preseason, there should be a small amount of games where a team may ONLY have rosters consisting of rookie eligible players and prospects. Give fans a show of the future so to speak. Teams participate in yearly rookie tournies, not sure if all teams do but most do, so this already happens, if you made it mandatory for pre-season games, 1) people won't go, even for preseason they want to see some NHL players 2) teams have 4 or 5 games on average to get ready for the season, they need to see which new guys fit in with their roster players and need to see which roster players should be promoted or demoted. In other words reducing the number of games a coach/GM has to evaluate their team hurts their regular season preparation. 6) Rookie Max Games - Change this from 10 to 20, 10 is too few to judge a prospect and it rakes a few games to get adjusted. That;s the thing teams don;t have time in the regular season to wait for their players to get adjusted, usually by 10 games the Teams knows if their non superstar rookie is NHL ready or not or if he'd be better suited for more time in the juniors. Most non superstar rookies with junior eligibility end up back in junior, expanding it to 20 games could actually hurt a player's development as they could end upp riding the pine for an extra 10 games playing maybe on the 4th line or as the 7th D, getting little time, when they could be playing top minutes in junior and trust me 90% of these guys get sent back unless their names are Crosby, Stamkos, Hall whatever. 5) Draft - The lottery system, while it has its uses, I do not like. Hockey should be about skill, not luck. The worst teams need the best player available. The lottery would have been a great idea pre salary cap. I get the feeling you don't know how the draft lottery works. All the non playoff teams are entered in the lottery, the lottery is weighted so that the worst team has the best chance, the 2nd worst the 2nd best chance and so on, the max number of slots a team can move up is 4, so that means only the worst through 5th worst team in the league actually has a shot at #1 it also means worst team can draft no lower than 2nd, the 2nd no lower than 3rd, 3rd no lower than 4th, and so forth. This is in place to ensure that one team doesn't go out there and tank on purpose to get that #1 guaranteed. 4) Coach Firing Deadline - After 20 Games, The coach can't be fired until the season ends. As of this writing, the Devils fired McLean mere days ago. His best player is out, his captain is aging, his top center hasn't got anyone to pass to who can put the puck in the net, they can't ice a full roster due to ownership breaking normality and signing an offensive player and Marty is losing his battlr with father time...and this is McLeans fault? Its another case of imcompentantcy being blamed on underlings. I'm going to be brutally honest, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard suggested like ever. I'm gonna give you a direct example why: If this were in place it would have cost the Pittsburgh Penguins the 2009 Stanley Cup, they were on the outside of the playoffs looking in and on the verge of a total collapse when they fired Therrien and hired Bylsma, after that they went on a tear, going 18-3-4 in the final 25 games to finish 4th in the league and gain home ice for the opening round. The Penguins had 59 points in 57 games under Therrien and got 40 points in 25 games under Bylsm. Therrien had lost his team if his job had been safe, the players would have given up even further and guarantee you not made the playoffs. A good coach who the players have faith in is crucial to a team's success, limiting a team's ability to fire a coach to shake up a team in a downward spiral is crazy. You do know coaches get their money when they are fired right, really no one gets screwed, team gets the change fired coach gets his money. 3) Entry Level Contracts - Players on ELC's who were drafted by the team that signed them to contract shouldnt count towards cap. This would allow rookies to get played more, would allow bad teams to spend the extra cash resigning a key player or signing a free agwnt. Many wouldn't agree with this idea however. So sign a bunch of your rookies, to fill your 3rd and 4th lines and then used that extra money to field 2 top lines that could end up being star quality, their would be a huge cap loophole. Or all this might do is drive up salary demands for everyone else right? Players would come to a GM and say you're saving a ton of cap money, give me some of that or I walk. More players would be making max salary as a result. You have a weird obsession with rookies, they're cool and all but last thing ya want is rushing these players into NHL service before they're ready, it can fuck up their development big time. A lot of player benefit hugely from extended playing time in he AHL, they become better players for it. Not to mention would these players count towards a team's salary flooor beause if not look out all you are doing is forcing a poor (financially) team to go out and overpay a bunch of veterans to make sure they hit the salary floor while still having to pay these rookies their money thus you'd be forcing already poor teams to spend more money then they would be previously for pretty much the same roster. BTW even if this worked out exactly as think it would you'd be sending even more established players into early retirement and diluting the NHL talent pool and risking pissing off a lot of fans who want to see established NHL talent not the AHL at the NHL level. 2) Goalie Equipment - Goalies are good, this is not the 1980's, we don't need to see massive scoring games, hence goalies shouldnt be punished for this. So in a lost of things you'd change your #2 thing to change is not change the goalie equipment? How is not changing something a change. 1) Shootout - I boycotted the NHL for 3 Years because of this, It is by far and away the worst change to the game that has ever happened. I want hockey, not a skills competition. And get rid of the loser point, hockey is about trying to win the game, instead of trying to not lose in regulation. My opinion? 10 mins of 4-4 overtime, then each team gets a point and goes home. A game should be worth two points, no more, no less. I can't believe you stopped watching hockey for something that happens maybe 10 to 15 times a year per team, if that much. Now I don't really care for the shootout either but it's silly to just give up on hockey because of it.