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Originally Posted by Rock Bottom
To be fair, Kane Knight, it isn't hard to find fuckwads anywhere, whether or not they bitch about things with their own interests in mind. But should we really call them fuckwads? FUCKWADS! FUCKWADS EVERYWHERE! I'm not allowed to call my Polish sister-in-law these things, so what gives me the right to be a bully!?
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Originally Posted by tjmidnight420
Well said. Also worth noting that with the way it was going before the PG turn, most people were getting burned out on all the over the top shit they were pulling week after week. Seven chair shots to the head has less of an impact when you've seen the same guy take those same seven chair shots on every show for the last month. The whole chair to the ankle thing seems to be working for Mark Henry because it hasn't been overused as a spot in the last ten years.
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I love how one guy's saying "well said, and the other's spazzing about bullying. TJ, why do you support bullying?
It's actually interesting, though. Even in the Attitude Era, there was a lot of discussion on here related to the fact that they couldn't keep pushing the limits like they were doing. I admit, I loved a lot of the Attitude Era's "holy shit" moment, but there was only so far they could push it. Some events were used relatively sparingly, but a lot of big spots were used so much, they lost all meaning.
Chair shots are certainly not the worst offender, but they were all over the place and kind of losing their meaning. Eventually, they were going to top out, and of course, that kind of shit took a toll.
One needs only look at Chris Benoit, whose brain was roughly the consistency of cream of wheat when he killed his family and himself. He's not the only one it took a toll on, either.
But that aside, the problem is that "extreme" only remains extreme as long as you don't use it so much it becomes commonplace. And they were, and so they needed to get more and more extreme, until it was kind of dumb.
Do I think it has no place in wrestling at all? Well, no. It's just that using it every five minutes made it...Boring. Or, at least, commonplace.
It was shocking when Foley went through the top of the Cell. Then, like, it happened sixteen times in a row. It became expected. It was still fun, but it wasn't special, or surpising. When you're having tables and ladders and chairs (Oh my!) Every week, albeit not necessarily all of them and not automatically in the same matches, they just don't mean much.
I think the big question is what ratio in which it should exist, and I think that's the point at which we most disagree. Kind of like the whole "wrestling" versus "performing" sort of deal.