TPWW Forums - View Single Post - DEBATE: Is it possible for guys like Jericho, RVD, Kane, etc. to still draw as ME's?

**The CyNick** · 07-05-2004, 02:50 PM

Not to be different, but I'll pick #1.

None of the examples used for #2 were accurate. Yes Eddie won the WWE title, but he was never a draw, which is why Bradshaw is the champ right now and Eddie might not get it back. Austin was a mid carder in WCW most of his career but also most of the time he was moving upwards. And when you jump to another promotion you tend to start fresh. In the WWE Austin had a slow start with the Ringmaster, but by Mania 12 he was Stone Cold and was protected form then on. He was never made to look weak. Same for Foley. Foley did play a character where he was getting humiliated, but he always looked tough from day one when he beat Taker till he retired in 2000. Rock looked weak in the ring when he was a heel, but the point is he never lost. Even in the program with Shamrock where they made him look like a pussy most of the time, he always managed to outsmart Shamrock and keep the title. Thats perfect booking, heel keeps his heat, and the babyface still looks strong. But the point is, that booking wasn't meant to make Rock look weak like they have with Jericho and others.

The guys that were mentioned have been buried so many times that fans just have no faith in them. The fact that Eddie and Benoit haven't been able to increase business despite being two of the greatest workers in the business should demonstrate that you can reverse 4 years of damage.

The only guy who I could see possibly drawing as a main eventer is Jericho. Only because he is good on the mic and in the ring, and has that strong combination that might make fans forget about the last 3 years of his career. However, even with Jericho's talents, I think the fans would see him as a secondary player and they wouldn't take hims eriously as a real worlds champion.

Kane and RVD have no chance whatsoever.

When fans see a guy in a certain spot for so long and then all of a sudden they get a huge push 9/10 times it doesn't work. In fact I cant think of a time when it has worked. Just about every successful world champion I can think of either came in and quickly got the title, or they had a steady climb up the ranks. But in either case they didn't get booked in programs that ade them look stupid or weak on a regular basis.

07-05-2004, 02:50 PM	#8
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	Not to be different, but I'll pick #1. None of the examples used for #2 were accurate. Yes Eddie won the WWE title, but he was never a draw, which is why Bradshaw is the champ right now and Eddie might not get it back. Austin was a mid carder in WCW most of his career but also most of the time he was moving upwards. And when you jump to another promotion you tend to start fresh. In the WWE Austin had a slow start with the Ringmaster, but by Mania 12 he was Stone Cold and was protected form then on. He was never made to look weak. Same for Foley. Foley did play a character where he was getting humiliated, but he always looked tough from day one when he beat Taker till he retired in 2000. Rock looked weak in the ring when he was a heel, but the point is he never lost. Even in the program with Shamrock where they made him look like a pussy most of the time, he always managed to outsmart Shamrock and keep the title. Thats perfect booking, heel keeps his heat, and the babyface still looks strong. But the point is, that booking wasn't meant to make Rock look weak like they have with Jericho and others. The guys that were mentioned have been buried so many times that fans just have no faith in them. The fact that Eddie and Benoit haven't been able to increase business despite being two of the greatest workers in the business should demonstrate that you can reverse 4 years of damage. The only guy who I could see possibly drawing as a main eventer is Jericho. Only because he is good on the mic and in the ring, and has that strong combination that might make fans forget about the last 3 years of his career. However, even with Jericho's talents, I think the fans would see him as a secondary player and they wouldn't take hims eriously as a real worlds champion. Kane and RVD have no chance whatsoever. When fans see a guy in a certain spot for so long and then all of a sudden they get a huge push 9/10 times it doesn't work. In fact I cant think of a time when it has worked. Just about every successful world champion I can think of either came in and quickly got the title, or they had a steady climb up the ranks. But in either case they didn't get booked in programs that ade them look stupid or weak on a regular basis.