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Old 08-01-2015, 06:27 PM   #2896
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Originally Posted by screech View Post
I'm a bot because I'm telling you the truth about a pitcher you love for some reason? Look, I'm a fan of guys who aren't very good too, but I can at least admit that their bloated numbers have more to do with luck than talent.
Dude, I'm just messing with you with the barf stuff since you're a Phills fan. C'mon.

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Originally Posted by DaveWadding View Post
Yes, and I remember that Jason Marquis sucked and Dan Haren does not. Therefore your comparison is invalid.
Dan Haren 2015 is Jason Marquis circa 2008 in terms of purpose, role and results.

Marquis in '08 had an FIP of 4.61, Haren's this year is 4.58. 15 Haren has a better K and BB rate than 08 Marquis, but Marquis got more groundballs and allowed way fewer homers. Haren has been worth 0.5 WAR this year and should finish with a WAR of 1.0-1.3, while 08 Marquis had a WAR of 1.8 (Marquis pitched 167 innings, Haren has pitched 129 so far and should get another 50-60).

Both 08 Marquis and 15 Haren are flawed but both have wound up with similar results at the end of the day.
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