[Heyman]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Smackdown cannot lose anymore superstars without getting SUPERSTARS back in return. People wont watch a show because it has "depth" they will only watch for stars, which is why wrestling is down in general right now, and why SD is less successful than RAW, its all about stars. Theres no debating that point.

I agree. I admittedly got caught in thinking about an opponent for Triple H. Plus - I'm biased towards Raw. :P. I do disagree with one thing however. Even if Guerrero OR Cena went to Raw (not both), the 'other' one would still remain on Smackdown. If my idea went into effect, Edge (along with Rhyno, Benjamin, Taijiri, and Nidia) would also go. Edge and Benjamin still have a chance to become credible main-eventers. Both men can use Angle, Big Show, and Undertaker to ascend to the proverbial "next level".

Orotn-HHH is basically a lock (or as close as you can get 8 months from the show) at this point for Mania, so its just a matter of how you get to that position. Orton is getting pops right now, and its not small its getting pretty huge. Read hosue show results and more often than not you'll hear how the majority of the crowd was cheering for Orton, and Orton had to turn the crowd against him. Then you can look at Vengeance and its clear Orton has to become a babyface in the near future, or do soemthing to make him a stronger heel.

My biggest concern with Orton turning face, is that he'll be a FLOP like Triple H and Kurt Angle. Triple H (pre January 2002) and Kurt Angle (a few months before Wrestlemania 19) were also heels that garnered HUGE face pops at times.

When they made their 'turns' however, their reactions were pretty lukewarm after about a month or so.

The potential problem that lies within "turning" someone, is that their characters have to change slightly. When Triple H became face, he couldn't play the cold and calculating borderline pyscho. When Angle turned face, people didn't fully embrace his "nerdy goody goody I'm an American Hero" gimmick nearly as much as when he was a heel.

See what I'm getting at?

If Orton turns face, what will he "act" like? Orton plays the "cocky" role to perfection. It's his strong suit. You turn him face however, and he can't do that.

Orton does not have the luxury of having great mic skills like The Rock and Chris Jericho. Orton does have decent mic skills, but he doesn't have the 'flair' of Rocky or Jericho.

If Orton turned face - he'd be similar to Angle in my opinion.

Orton should stay heel. If the fans cheer him, that's their perogative.

Remember what happened with Brock Lesnar. In my opinion, they turned him face WAY too soon (when he began his first feud with Big Show). Looking back on it, perhaps the WWE should have waited longer.

I think the WWE does too many things that goes against what the fans want. Right now it looks like the fans want to cheer Orton, so why go against that? If the fans want to pay money to cheer him, then make him a babyface. He could still be "the legend killer", he could just kill heel legends like HHH or Flair.

In my opinion, sometimes the fans would rather "Love to HATE" someone as opposed to cheering for them. It's obvious that the fans love Kurt Angle. However - it's also obvious that they'd much rather 'boo' him.

Truth be told - I think The Rock would be in that same boat if he ever returned full-time. After a half-year, The Rock's "schitck" would grow old again and the fans would turn on him. However - they'd probably cheer the hell out of him if he acted heelish.

When Rock was turned by the fans he basically stayed the same arrogant cocky guy, he just turned his venom on the heels instead of the babyfaces. So I think Orton can do the same thing.

Orton doesn't have The Rock's mic skills.

Cena-HHH was the only other idea that seemed to make some sense. But the problem with that one is that you miss out on the whole Evolution split angle, which needs to be done sooner rather than later. I think if you wait till mid/late '05 thats too long. Fans are hot for Orton NOW, you have to run with that. On top of that if SD were to lose a Cena or Guerrero who would they get back that would be of eqaul value?

My line of thinking was that if Raw got Cena or Guerrero, SD would get everyone that they lost in the draft lottery (Edge, Benjamin, Rhyno, Taijiri, and Nidia). Edge and Benjamin might still be able to draw one day if they get better gimmicks. ???

In terms of Orton going with Steph, I dont think that would make him a babyface. I dont think fans will get behind Orton "stealing" Steph from Hunter.

Agreed.

Rock as a challenger makes no sense whatsoever, Rock is a movie star now, shouldn't be put in any title matches when its clear he wont be winning.

I disagree. If The Rock came back for maybe two months (between RR and Wrestlemania), perhaps he could re-kindle his rivalry with Triple H. The Rock is perhaps the biggest face of all-time. Triple H might be considered to be the greatest heel of all-time. The Rock and HHH have never gone one on one at Mania. I'm thinking that this could be excellent from a PPV buyrate perspective (I realize that it's WM and it will get a huge PPV buyate anyways, but still).

Let The Rock finish on top. Let him win the World title.

I don't think it's too bad an idea personally.

As for the SD title match, I think is if Angle can hold up they'd like to have him involved in the title match, but with his condition its tough to bank on that. If it is Angle, then either Cena, Benoit or Guerrero could be his opponent. However, I could also see a situation where JBL hangs on to the title way longer than any of us expects and then they go to Cena as the champ at Mania 21. I thinkt he best idea is to do Eddie-Angle Part 2 at Summerslam, then separate them for the rest of the year, and build back to Eddie going after the title against Angle (rubber match) at Mania 21 (where Eddie should be really over since its LA).

Eddie/Angle always sounds good to me, but I'd much rather see something different. No Wrestlemania ever has back to back match-ups for its main-event. Why go to the well one too many times?

I think a heel RVD vs. a face Eddie Guerrero would actually generate more interest.