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**The CyNick** · 07-19-2004, 01:01 AM

But when we talk about these fantasy booking ideas, I try to stay within the realm of reality. I mean I'd love to see a RAW PPV headlined by soemone other than HHH, but that isn't going to happen. So when I talk about these things, I try to be realistic. The idea of RVD in a main event is laughable to me because I know how the WWE sees him. If they EVER had any plans of pushing him as a main eventer they would have done it in place of Bradshaw, they didn't so oviously he will NEVER be a main eventer in the company. People just have to accept that.

Rock is great you know I love him, but he's not going to be with the company in any sort of regualr capacity for many years, if ever. So the idea of booking a World Title match around him, and even worse having him win is absurd to me. I'd like to see them do a HHH-Rock match somewhere down the line given their history, but why not wait till HHH gets into the movie game a little more and play up that aspect? But since hHH is a full time wrestler right now, I'd rather see him JOB and sorta create a new star with Orton than wrestle a match with Rocky that will mean anothing for either guy. If you are worried about buyrates go to guys like Hogan, Goldberg, Foley and Austin, they can all have matches with or against Rock and sell buys, but at the same time leave the real matches for guys who will still be with the company on a full time basis. And you said let Rock finish on top, he's only like 30, he'll still be wrestling 20 years from now, so there's no rush to end his career.

I think guys like Benjamin and Edge (well not Edge but probably Benjamin) can be legit main eventers, but I also think Haas and Rene Dupree will main event someday. The problem is that people dont watch shows based on seeing stars of tomorrow they watch to see stars of today. So if SD were to get all those guys back, they'd still be out a credible main eventer without getting one back in return, and will again remind people that SD is the minor leagues, which isn't good.

I'm not sure one way or the other about Orton as a promo guy. He seems decent enough, but he's obviously not on par with a guy like Rock, but then again who really is? When Rock was first cutting promos as a singles guy he was green, he had a decent line or two, but he had to work on it for a while before he became "the most electrifying man...". I cant say forsure if Orton will be good, but I think he has potential.

The difference between him and say Kurt was that people were happy to boo Kurt, heck even as a babyface they had to work in the "You Suck" chants as part of his babyface schtick. With Orton, they are just flat out chanting his name, its impossible to be a proper heel when that is happening (ask Austin, ask the NWO). Edge was supposed to be a babyface in that match with Orton at Vengeance, but he looked like a fool with most of the crowd cheering for Orton. Wait till that happens in Toronto, well maybe it wont happen here, but it would be funny if it did.

The other thing with Angle and even HHH as babys is that the WWE totally screwed both out of their runs. HHH was getting massive pops (from the HHH returns fromt he dead push) and they tuirned the pops into poop (sorry lame joke), and then a month after winning the title, he was totally jobbed out to Hogan and made to look even weaker. That pretty much killed his babyface run. I dont know, he might have failed as a babyface anyway, but the booking ensured that he failed. With Angle, if you ever question Angle's ability to get over as a face watch Invasion again and the lead up to that. People were nuts for Angle when he was playing a kick ass babyface, and whats ironic is that with 9/11 happening a few months after that I think he could have taken over from Austin/Rock as the next big star in the company. Unfortunately they went back to the comedy stuff, and again that killed him. So, its unfair to use Angle's run as a babyface against him when there was horrible booking involved.

If Orton goes baby and is put in an angle focused on dog crap and he's wearing a Sumbrero and playing the guitar, then no he wont be a successful babyface. If on the other hand he still comes off as arrogant, cooler than sh#t, and kicks HHH's ass then he probably will get over.

As for being preoccupied with HHH, its not your fault its like watching a Pamela Anderson movie and saying the only thing I remembered was her chest. Its not your fault, thats all the movie makers wanted you to focus on.

07-19-2004, 01:01 AM	#32
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	But when we talk about these fantasy booking ideas, I try to stay within the realm of reality. I mean I'd love to see a RAW PPV headlined by soemone other than HHH, but that isn't going to happen. So when I talk about these things, I try to be realistic. The idea of RVD in a main event is laughable to me because I know how the WWE sees him. If they EVER had any plans of pushing him as a main eventer they would have done it in place of Bradshaw, they didn't so oviously he will NEVER be a main eventer in the company. People just have to accept that. Rock is great you know I love him, but he's not going to be with the company in any sort of regualr capacity for many years, if ever. So the idea of booking a World Title match around him, and even worse having him win is absurd to me. I'd like to see them do a HHH-Rock match somewhere down the line given their history, but why not wait till HHH gets into the movie game a little more and play up that aspect? But since hHH is a full time wrestler right now, I'd rather see him JOB and sorta create a new star with Orton than wrestle a match with Rocky that will mean anothing for either guy. If you are worried about buyrates go to guys like Hogan, Goldberg, Foley and Austin, they can all have matches with or against Rock and sell buys, but at the same time leave the real matches for guys who will still be with the company on a full time basis. And you said let Rock finish on top, he's only like 30, he'll still be wrestling 20 years from now, so there's no rush to end his career. I think guys like Benjamin and Edge (well not Edge but probably Benjamin) can be legit main eventers, but I also think Haas and Rene Dupree will main event someday. The problem is that people dont watch shows based on seeing stars of tomorrow they watch to see stars of today. So if SD were to get all those guys back, they'd still be out a credible main eventer without getting one back in return, and will again remind people that SD is the minor leagues, which isn't good. I'm not sure one way or the other about Orton as a promo guy. He seems decent enough, but he's obviously not on par with a guy like Rock, but then again who really is? When Rock was first cutting promos as a singles guy he was green, he had a decent line or two, but he had to work on it for a while before he became "the most electrifying man...". I cant say forsure if Orton will be good, but I think he has potential. The difference between him and say Kurt was that people were happy to boo Kurt, heck even as a babyface they had to work in the "You Suck" chants as part of his babyface schtick. With Orton, they are just flat out chanting his name, its impossible to be a proper heel when that is happening (ask Austin, ask the NWO). Edge was supposed to be a babyface in that match with Orton at Vengeance, but he looked like a fool with most of the crowd cheering for Orton. Wait till that happens in Toronto, well maybe it wont happen here, but it would be funny if it did. The other thing with Angle and even HHH as babys is that the WWE totally screwed both out of their runs. HHH was getting massive pops (from the HHH returns fromt he dead push) and they tuirned the pops into poop (sorry lame joke), and then a month after winning the title, he was totally jobbed out to Hogan and made to look even weaker. That pretty much killed his babyface run. I dont know, he might have failed as a babyface anyway, but the booking ensured that he failed. With Angle, if you ever question Angle's ability to get over as a face watch Invasion again and the lead up to that. People were nuts for Angle when he was playing a kick ass babyface, and whats ironic is that with 9/11 happening a few months after that I think he could have taken over from Austin/Rock as the next big star in the company. Unfortunately they went back to the comedy stuff, and again that killed him. So, its unfair to use Angle's run as a babyface against him when there was horrible booking involved. If Orton goes baby and is put in an angle focused on dog crap and he's wearing a Sumbrero and playing the guitar, then no he wont be a successful babyface. If on the other hand he still comes off as arrogant, cooler than sh#t, and kicks HHH's ass then he probably will get over. As for being preoccupied with HHH, its not your fault its like watching a Pamela Anderson movie and saying the only thing I remembered was her chest. Its not your fault, thats all the movie makers wanted you to focus on.