Thread: Book Randy Orton
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Old 09-11-2015, 05:44 AM   #34
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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan View Post
I can't stand that "_____ was over enough and didn't need the title" thought process. It's silly. Putting the title on guys who ARE actually massively over is how you make the title a draw and not just a meaningless prop.
Bingo.

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Originally Posted by hb2k View Post
At this point I don't see there being anything you can do with Orton to put him at the top and for the audience at large to get into it. He's better as a guy on the fringes, to take some focus, but not all of it. His run as heel champ bombed in 2013, his feud with Seth didn't blow anybody away, and even with a better creative direction, I just don't see the audience at large biting if Randy Orton is the main course. That time has come and gone, and as put very well above, it's the Shawn Michaels spot.

Which means the only chance Orton has now is to be consistently great in that secondary position for so long that the crowd organically wants to see it because they a) haven't for a while, and b) think it's deserved.

Honestly, when Bryan went down and the plan for great IC title matches kinda fell apart along with it, Orton was the logical replacement for that spot. The guy that holds in, can have good long matches, crowd always into him, and gives him easy feud material that never has to feel like a forced investment for the crowd to get into. If the tag titles meant more I'd put him in a team and have a strong run, as I think he'd get to have not only good matches, but a different kind of good match to what people have seen before from Orton, who is certainly formulaic, and would probably be the best case scenario short term.
I'm not Orton's most rabid fan, but one could suggest reasons Orton's run as a heel failed critically in 2013, and why his feud with Rollins didn't have much steam. The latter is a lot more simple, in that Orton returned and pretended to be a heel for a few weeks. Come on -- if they wanted that shit hot, they should have had him trying to MURDER Rollins.

Bryan and Orton also had an extremely long stretch of PPV main event interactions against each other (seriously, it was statistically like one of the longest in history). After Orton stole the title from Bryan at SummerSlam '13, they probably shouldn't have had the two face-off until WrestleMania. Automatic rematch booking got in the way of that one. That's a seriously lazy, and often inconvenient crutch they've built up for themselves.

You did suggest that the creative direction could have been better, but I thought I'd point it all out anyway, haha.

The mid-card run scenario you suggested isn't a bad one at all. I actually wanted to see Orton and Cena get runs with the US and IC Titles respectively -- in that corresponding arrangement. Cena was never the IC Champion and Orton was never the US Champion. It'd have been a nice way to give both guys a recharge. That being said, after WrestleMania, the wise booking was to have Orton be Rollins' first test as champion out the gate.
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