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Originally Posted by XL
No. I'm saying you went from "Val Venis/Paul London/Doug Basham are amazing and should be pushed well beyond their abilities/connection to the crowd, ratings and 'believability' be damned" to "It's a joke that people think Alexa Bliss/Jinder Mahal is amazing and deserve the push she/he's getting well beyond her/his abilities/connection for the crowd, it's not 'believable', look at the ratings" with no middle ground.
I love you to bits, man, and think you're one of the best contributors this forum has ever had, but you're coming off as quite superior. And the constant derailing of threads - whether intentional or not - is starting to remind me of Kane Knight.
#MellowOut
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Okay, well I disagree with your assessment there, I'm sorry to say. Thanks for putting the time in, but I honestly feel very balanced in my opinion. You may not see it as having middle ground, and that's cool, that's your call.
I've always been a tangential thinker, and it's something I'm very aware of an have been for a long time, so I'd wager a bet that the "derailing" of threads is not new. I've always found it hard to stick to A, B and C without introducing D. It's something I've worked very hard on consciously that I don't really bring to something as silly as an online forum, but I'm aware I do it, and say you're just noticing it now.
Also, not aiming this at you, but one of my pet peeves is when people on the internet try and tell you how you're feeling. It's just so presumptuous. I am a very mellow cat, haha -- too mellow -- it's another thing I work on, because there are downsides to it, as anyone who is too mellow could tell you.
I speak bluntly on this forum because, frankly, who gives a fuck? It's a forum. People fuck around and have their things. If I genuinely upset anyone, which isn't my intent, I apologize, but honestly, please stop trying to tell me that I am "angry" or "butthurt" about things. I'm underwhelmed by a product that I used to be a fan of and now have a hole in my TV viewing schedule. That's it.
I find myself fairly reasonable and easy to talk to when people actually want to engage in any sort of substantive conversation. If not, I do apologize. And if you want to have a more hollow and subjective fandom, go ahead. Don't engage with me, whatever -- I'm not going to get annoyed if people say things like "I enjoy Broken Matt Hardy," like #1-wwf-fan did earlier. There was another occasion in Better Wrestler recently where someone said they were voting for Cena over Andre because they had a better connection to him. That's fine. I don't give a shit about that. It's when people try to pass their taste off as fact that I'm like "hang on, is there something to that?"
You can think I am high and mighty because of that, again, that's your call. I think it's more high and mighty to defer to that as a perspective consensus, honestly. I also think it's more high and mighty to stick to points you can't intellectually defend, but I've always been a logical person outside my crazy fantasy booking kink. Some people do genuinely have more problem setting apart their favorite something from the best something. Whatever. Conversation with those sorts of people will only go so far for me. And that's ultimately why I left for a bit, because a lot of the people I were interacting couldn't tell the difference between something they liked and something that stands up to critical analysis, and were starting to to get really salty when it couldn't.
If it tips that way again, I'll leave again. Thankfully there are sections like Better Wrestler, where people talk about
why something works, or why it doesn't, and conversation can go a bit deeper than the purely subjective. Of course there's always going to be room for subjectivity and opinion when it comes to taste, and there isn't always "right" and "wrong." Please don't misconstrue me as saying that. But I like to step outside my own opinions sometimes and see just how well they hold up against shared metrics, of which we do have some. That's a much more fun discussion for me than "Alexa Bliss is really great!" "Yeah, she really is!"