I'm still not voting for Bush, I just thought it was cool that they were doing good coming out of their circumstances. I know what your saying though, and I guess I agree with it.
Also, I get upset when people accuse me of being ignorant

I myself think a lot of Americans are totally ignorant, and going into the media myself I am in classes right now that teach us how to trick the audience and send hidden messages. My problem all along was that I thought you were putting me in the same position as for example Stima when he responded to the Lance Armstrong thing. I will acknowledge that I am not a god of international sports by any meanings, but I do pretty actively follow the Premiership, cycling, tri, and international competitions. I'm just saying that I know a little more than the average American, and I got into a bunch of other BS arguments with you because I was playing devils advocate and trying to prove stupid points

Anyway, yeah I guess I was caught pretty low here, but I'll do a little better in four years