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Originally Posted by Took Are you nuts?? It was a bitch move by Puder for one key reason -- it wasn't an MMA match, it was a WRESTLING match

So it was. And yet the idea was to test the contestants. If Angle wants to play teacher, thats fine, but he shouldn't be complaining when the student teaches him a lesson. Its not as if Puder is unschooeld or anything, as Angle should have been aware.

Originally Posted by Took If any of you've ever wrestled, the point is to get the guy on his back. Therefore, Kurt Angle was not working to make the kid submit or even to hurt the kid. He was trying to take him down and pin him. The kid knew he was going down, panicked, and slapped on a keylock. The pin was not "sloppy" as Kel said -- the kid's shoulders were down, period.

I have wrestled. However, the point is that this was supposed to be a professional wrestling match. Submission as well as pins are part of the gambit as you well know. For Puder not to utilize all his skills in order to prove himself would be foolish; as was Angle's subsequent whining.

Originally Posted by Took Further, even if they did have a shootfight and Puder did slap on the Keylock, there were at least three ways for Angle to escape, ways that any amateur wrestler even knows. First, and most logical, was driving the right knee into the ribs two or three times (the kid did NOT have the lower body scissored properly). Secondly, Angle could've attempted to roll out of it. THird, he could've switched his upper body and applied a crude heel hook or thrown elbows to compliment the knees.

An amateur wrestler driving his knees into the midsection? Throwing elbows?This is the first I've heard of those high school/college/Olympic wrestling techniques. Is that a lost branch of logical Greco-Roman wrestling that I missed out on?

Originally Posted by Took Look at the footage -- Angle EASILY guards his arm from the keylock until they GET to the mat. If he had remained standing, his superior strength would've stopped the kid from applying the hold. Angle's objective was pining him, and he did, and he ######ing SLAUGHTERED him.

Hardly that. At all. I saw the same tape. It was a save by the referee.

Originally Posted by Took In all likelihood, they didn't inform the kid that it was a wrestling match. Otherwise, it was a ###### move that should get him kicked out of the contest.

C'mon, he knew it was a wrestling match. I mean, why else are they there? They gave Puder an opportunity to set himself apart from the others. To succeed or fail, to prove himself or fall flat. And prove himself he did, to Angle's misfortune. To dumb it down to "Bitch move" is exactly what an embarrased sore loser would say.