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Originally Posted by Moonax
I'm sorry that is bullshit. All you are doing is once again abrogating your responsibility. Why the hell should we laud drug takers, wife-beaters and racists as heros and yet at the same time treat a player who pretends to moon as being the most evil player out.
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No one said drug takers, wife-beaters and racists should be treated as hero's good job putting words in my mouth. What I tried explaning to you (let's try again) sports is a job, and legally you can't fire someone for actions that don't effect their job performance. Also, legally you commit a crime and you face your penalty and you go on, you get a 2nd chance. What would you suggest? Anyone w/ a crime loses their job? Anyone who is a first time offender gets sentenced to death?
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Originally Posted by Moonax
Joe Buck claimed it was the most disgusting thing he had ever seen, obviously ignoring the lauding of fans and media of Pete Rose (gambler), Michael Pittman (wife beater), Lawrence Taylor (drug taker), John Rocker (racist). This is to give an example of each. I'm sure that if I gave it more than 30 seconds thought I could come up with a much longer list of people who have done far worse than pretend to ( & not even really) bare his arse.
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1) "Seen" he never watched any of those happen!
2) Buck was doing a job and the concern at that point was "FCC could find us" hence as the on-air rep of the network he made harsh comments.
3) What should one now do, when commenting on one event, bring up 50 others as refrence
4) I know he called it Disgusting but I can't find a refrence of him saying it was "the most disgusting thing he's ever seen" but it's possible he did say that, and again, the other things you talk about he didn't see and again, he was trying to protect the network/
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Originally Posted by Moonax
Once again you are demonstrating the fucked up priorities of sports fans (Irrespective of nation). A wife beating, drug taking and racism are ok but pretending to moon is 'the most disgusting thing'.
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Again, putting words in my mouth, never said wife beating, drug taking and racism are ok.
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Originally Posted by Moonax
A simple comparison highlights the point I am trying to convey: We are not talking about the 1970s when players like Bilentnikoff used to smoke on the sideline. This is the late 1980s.
Vikings line 1988
Zimmerman 6-6 284
McDaniel 6-3 268
Lowdermilk 6-3 264
Kalis 6-5 269
irwin 6-9 290
Vikings line 2004
McKinnie 6-8 345
Liwienski 6-5 325
Birk 6-4 309
Dixon 6-5 345
Dorsey 6-7 322
Are you seriously trying to claim that in 15 years the weight of an average lineman will increase by 40-60lbs purely on the basis of 'better training'? If you believe that then you really do have your head in the sand about drug abuse?
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Yes, also you forget that lines have different priorities... heck, some lines flux 30lbs a person in a year because they go from a small/quick line style to a big size line. The problem isn't anyones head in the sand, we all know there is drug abuse, but you can't blame everyone and everything on drug abuse.
Also as point out Stringer was on the 1988 line, so please re-check your facts.
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Originally Posted by Moonax
I hate to say this but this argument is going the same way as when I suggested that Bonds record should have an asteriks and you claimed that it was perfectly reasonable to claim that Bonds's improved stats were simply the result of better conditioning and eating more broccoli and we all know how much credibility your arguments have these days...
You are entitled to believe what you want and that's fine but you'd better get ready to do your RIP's and 'respect threads' in about 10 years time when players start to keel over at the same rate as wrestlers.
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Yes and until Bonds admitted to roids and was caught you're innocent until proven guilty and there are other people who have had great feats and improved w/o Roids. Should we all assume Tiki Barber is on roids rather then he just took his offseason workout more seriously?
I never said Bonds wasn't on roids, I said there was no proof, only guesses and most the people guessing had no clue what they were talking about.
Yes, you believe what you want, and when players careers and names are ruid by false accusations you can feel good about yourself.