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Originally Posted by BasicThuganomics OK now I'll point out why I disagree with your ideas. John Cena joining Evolution? That would just be a terrible move, John Cena is looking to be the next HUGE superstar similar to Rock and Austin. Having him try and share leadership would go against his character. He's meant to be more of a loner who watches out for his own best interests. He occasinally might work with others like Benoit, but mainly only to help himself out. Having to work with Orton and share leadership is just way against his character. Plus John Cena is doing a GREAT job as an up and coming face on SD. Why would you try to turn him heel so soon?

My line of thinking was that Cena could join the Evolution group, and keep the stable 'elite' since they would be full of big names (I'm assuming that Triple H and Flair will be on their way out sooner than later). With Cena, Batista, and Orton within the group (and O'Haire?), the 'Evolution stable changes their identity to a bunch of guys who are the "Evolution" of this business.

Also - what would YOU do with John Cena right now? Realistically speaking, what's in his best interests? It sounds good on paper to have him 'defect' to Raw and challenge Triple H for the World title, but do you really think Goldberg will like that? It sucks, but I have my doubts that Goldberg would willingly play 'second fiddle' to John Cena.

If Cena fought Triple H, and Goldberg fought Lesnar, then who would The Rock face? Could you really see The Rock and Foley taking on Randy Orton and Dave Batista? The Rock is all about fighting 'high profile' opponents. At this point and time, are Orton and Batista 'high profile?' Would The Rock really be content on fighting 'henchmen' of former nemesis Triple H? Think about it.

If Cena stays on Smackdown, then who does he face? Does he go up against Brock Lesnar? Cena vs. Lesnar has been done before, but it still has potential......however - do you really want to see Lesnar JOB?

Here's my take - The WWE should continue to build up Lesnar as 'the greatest thing since sliced bread'. They've come this far with Lesnar, so why should they hold back? I don't like the idea of Lesnar jobbing to Cena.......just yet.

Cena vs Lesnar (or Triple H) is ok, but I still think pushing Cena as a main-event face might be too premature. How many convincing wins has Cena had? Other than Big Show, has he really beaten anyone of significance?

-He has jobbed to Undertaker
-He has jobbed to Kurt Angle
-He recently jobbed to Chris Benoit.

If anything, I think it makes Lesnar (or Triple H) look weak as opposed to making Cena look strong.

If Cena is going to main-event at Wrestlemania, then I'd like to see him get a few convincing victories (over top-tier opponents) before it.

Orton winning the title at Backlash? Nope, because the WWE doesn't seem to pushing him straight to main events. It's pretty obvious that he is in store for a lengthy IC title reign. This is a very good move IMO. Both Rock and Austin established themselves as superstars in the upper midcard level, and when they were elevated to main events they were ready for it and did a terrific job obviously. Orton needs to continue to improve in the IC ranks so that in a year or so, he will definately be ready to step up as a main event player who can carry himself.

Now see? Orton on the other hand, is in a very good position. He HAS defeated the likes of Shawn Michaels and RVD. He hasn't been made to look inferior to certain opponents in the manner that Cena has.

If Orton gets a win over Foley at Wrestlemania, then he'll have tremendous momentum heading into Backlash against The Rock. If he defeats The Rock, then he'll be 'over' as hell.

As far as Orton having a lengthy title reign is concerned, I think his recent title reign will be as 'lengthy' as they come.

The reason why I feel that the WWE should push Orton (like they did with Lesnar), is because the WWE is in need to a new main-event star. In today's day and age, the best way to create a main-event star is to have a guy who has little or no 'taints' in his track record. Orton qualifies for this.

Guys like Cena, Jericho, RVD, etc. on the other hand, do NOT have this because they have been made to do clean JOBS in recent memory. As a result, the fans don't perceive them to be quite on the same level as "Goldberg, HHH, The Rock, Austin, Lesnar.....or even Angle

Rock and Foley being in high profile singles matches is not the best way to go at WMXX. While both are high profile superstars, they are only part timers right now. So as much as I love them, being part time wrestlers it just isn't right to take up two lengthy matches on the card when other wrestlers who have been around this year and will still be around after WMXX deserve spots on the card. The Rock and Sock connection was a big draw a couple of years ago, so them being together again is still a big deal. Foley has great heat with Evolution (obviously Orton especially) and with Rock's history against HHH, he could easily develop heat with the group too. I wouldn't be surprised to see Orton try to take out The Rock (to add to his list of legends) I don't want to see HHH/Orton, I think it will be Orton/Batista/Flair maybe all 3 of them or just two of them against Rock and Sock.

Keep in mind that WM is a 5 hour show this year. I don't think adding one more match will be too big a deal....in taking someone else's spot away.

In terms of developing Orton, I think a ONE on ONE clean victory over Foley will be more beneficial to him. I also think that a Rock/HHH one-on-one match will be of interest........due to their past history.

The match you suggested is also good, but I'm not sure if The Rock will be content on facing "Triple H's henchmen". Trust me - The Rock is a proud man. I think he'll feel 'slighted' by Triple H if this happens. Remember - the last time The Rock was around, he didn't feel comfortable about jobbing to Booker T cleanly, because Booker T was slated to lose to Triple H at Mania.

[QUOTE[Rock vs HHH for the title? Definately not the best idea since Rock has been gone for nearly a year. I love the Rock and if he was full time, then I would want him in the main event, no doubt. But just because Rock and HHH had a good chemistry 2 or 3 years ago, doesn't mean they should automatically be put together in the main event of the biggest show ever for one last match. Rock is obviously gonna be gone after WMXX, and so is HHH too. [/quote]

Rock can work off his ring rust. Triple H can work a decent match when he wants to as well. The thing is - Who (other than Goldberg) will Triple H do a JOB for? You know that it will be of someone of 'equal' status. Can you really see Triple H CLEANLY putting over a mid-card talent? (like John Cena, or RVD, or Jericho, etc.).

This is another reason why I suggested The Rock.

So to be honest, the plan of having Benoit win the title from HHH is a great idea.

It sounds great, but will Triple H do the JOB to someone BELOW him?

Personally - I'd rather see Benoit stay on Smackdown. He is close friends with Eddie Guerrero in real life anyways. SD also suits him more since it's a more 'wrestling oriented' show.

The WWE is building up Benoit great, and Benoit is actually going to be around a month after WM, so him winning the title is a good plan. Not to mention the fact that Benoit is long overdue for this chance at the title. The fact that you suggested Benoit going after the US title in a 4way cluster**** is really a bad idea, and an insult to the crippler considering the great push he is receiving right now.

Won't argue with that. In my card, I had no other way of factoring in Benoit.

HBK going for the IC title won't happen because Orton is pretty much confirmed to carry that title for awhile. I agree that a HBK/RVD ladder match would be enough to make most people on this board drool (myself included) But Orton is definately the man to carry the IC title for the next few months at least.

Actually - with Orton, I change my mind. Let him keep the IC title Have HBK and RVD have a "no DQ" match (so that way, RVD and HBK can still use ladders, etc.).

Orton then defeats The Rock at Backlash to become IC and World Champ. After Backlash, Orton gives the IC title to one of his Evolution members (Cena?).

Austin vs Cena is a bad idea because Cena is being groomed to be the next big superstar. Cena will be booed against Austin without a doubt I think. Cena isn't ready for a match of this magnitude just yet. Him and Orton both need to dominate the upper midcard of their brands for the next year or so. And to say that Cena and Austin had a slight confrontation isn't that big of a deal. Austin has had slight confrontation's with the entire WWE roster probably.

Cena isn't ready for a match of this magnitude yet? I'll have to disagree. Cena isn't the greatest wrestler in the world, but netiher was Hogan. Cena has the charisma though. Cena can still be a huge main-event face, but I also believe that most main-event faces need a GREAT heel run beforehand.
Take a look at The Rock for instance.

Cena becomes an automatic star by associating himself with Austin at Mania.......he will get GREAT heat if he takes out Austin's neck after the match.

I've got a great solution to Billy's problem of not being good enough to be on his own as a singles superstar... GET RID OF HIM!!! HE SUCKS!!!

I would, but will the WWE?

Dudley's are just made to be a tag team. Even if they are getting stale. D'Von is just not good enough to be on his own in singles. While Bubba is capable of putting on watchable single's matches occasionally, he's still not that good at it. As stale as the dudley's are, the fans don't want to see them part because of the fact that they aren't very good when they are singles wrestlers. Hardys, and E&C were able to split because once they went to singles, they were each good enough to carry themselves in singles division, Dudleys are not.

I'll agree on this. Not enough time to start this angle.



In regards to John Cena.....

1)I think he needs a great heel run before becoming a main-event face. He needs some more credible victories as a heel. Quite frankly - he hasn't done that as of yet. He has clearly been made to look inferior to Undertaker, Lesnar, Angle, and Benoit. Recently in Baghdad, he was punked out by Austin.

2)I don't think he's as 'over' as everyone thinks. He gets great pops, but I could see his 'white boy rap' gimmick getting old very quick........especially if he starts sucking up to the fans.....like most faces are compelled to do.

3)Cena, in Evolution, would keep the Evolution stable as 'elite' (once Triple H and/or Flair leave). As a heel on Raw, Cena could take on guys like RVD, Jericho, and Triple H, and 'get more established' that way.