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Originally Posted by BasicThuganomics I swear, you could make the WWE go bankrupt at a faster rate than even Vince is doing right now.

I don't know why you're talking to me about Cena defecting to RAW and facing HHH as if I stated it was gonna happen, cuz it's not.

Given that wrestling sites have REPORTED that there are rumors of a SD superstar defecting to Raw (to face the Raw champ), I figured that if anyone, it could be John Cena. Face it - Cena is far more 'over' then Benoit right now. That is why it would make more sense for Cena to defect, as opposed to Benoit.

And why are you mentioning whether Goldberg would play "second fiddle" to Cena? Goldberg's ass is gone after WM probably anyways...

Note the word 'probably'.....not definitely. Besides - If Goldberg IS going to leave after Wrestlemania, then he will "probably" be in the main-event. Think about it. If Goldberg was slated to leave after Wrestlemania, then why would he even bother showing up to wrestle in a pointless match? Do you really think Goldberg would agree to that? Do you think that the WWE would sign Goldberg (to a hefty sized contract between now and WM), so he could be in a NON main-event match?

And what would I do with Cena? Simple, Have him beat the Big Show's ass at NWO and win the US title, have him retain his title at WMXX and give him a lengthy title reign so that he can be built up as a legitimate contender for the WWE title a year or so from now. You'll notice that I said he was doing excellent as an up and coming face on Smackdown. It's pretty obvious that most of the best main eventers are the ones who worked their way up the ladder and proved they were ready in the midcard ranks before being pushed to main event.

This is where I disagree. Nowadays, wrestlers have to almost be immediately pushed to the main-event level, so that the fans' perception of that wrestler is of a main-eventer.

Nowadays - it is very hard to change the "perception" of what the fans thinks of a certain wrestler. Furthermore, most main-eventers today are unwilling to give up their 'spot' to allow a new mid-carder to emerge as a main-eventer.

Case in Point - In the last few years or so, how many "mid-carders" have established themselves as main-eventers? Did Benoit? Did Chris Jericho? RVD? Let's go a few years before that. Jeff Jarret was one of the greatest IC champs of all-time in the WWE. Did he get any "higher" after that?

Did Edge ever get 'elevated' after he won KOTR?

In the last 5 years or so, the only wrestlers who have been elevated to the main-event level (and have stayed there for the most part) are Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar........both of which received 'sensational' pushes upon debuting.

Jericho and Big Show have had brief main-event pushes as well, but it didn't really materialize.....because no one of significance ever did a clean JOB to them. Even Kurt Angle had a tough time establishing himself when he was champ (for the same reason).

It's for THIS reason why I feel that the time to push Randy Orton is NOW.

Think about it --> In the past few years or so, The Rock and Mick Foley are one of FEW main-eventers who are willing to put over mid-carders (Angle being the other). This is why I feel that this is a GOLDEN chance to establish Orton RIGHT NOW. He can go over Foley at Mania, and then The Rock a month later.

It's pretty much confirmed that Goldberg will face Lesnar at Wrestlemania, and Goldberg will be gone after Mania. So we won't have to worry about whether or not Goldberg is or isn't happy with anyone becoming a main event face. HHH's opponent is gonna be Benoit at WMXX. It's another thing that is getting closer and closer to being confirmed.

Goldberg/Lesnar isn't "pretty much confirmed". It's a high probability, but nothing is set in stone.

Also - ask yourself this question. What does the WWE NEED with Goldberg? In other words, why has the WWE chosen to sign Goldberg if they will mutually part ways after Wrestlemania?

Goldberg will probably be used to 'put over' someone in a HIGH PROFILE match-up (i.e. Lesnar).

This is what I was explaining to The CyNick as well. I highly doubt that a Triple H/Benoit match will be AFTER a Lesnar/Goldberg match........unless the WWE is completely retarded.

Mark my words - if the above scenerio happens, then the fans will be completely DEAD for the Triple H/Benoit main-event. Therefore, the IMPACT of Benoit 'going over' Triple H will not be as great as it should be.

You ask if I think Rock would be content teaming with Foley and fighting Orton and Batista? Yes I do! Rock has always been one of the most unselfish guys in the business. He was constantly putting guys over when he was around a couple of years ago. Rock and Sock against Evolution would be a great fued and the build up to this match is already obvious cuz of Foley's heat with Orton. This match would probably be treated very importantly if it were to happen at WMXX. You want singles matches? Well think for a second beyond WMXX, Backlash is a RAW PPV. Do you think that a possible Orton/Foley match might happen at that PPV?

I'd rather see The Rock/Foley vs. Orton/Triple H happen BEFORE Wrestlemania, but Orton going over Foley at Backlash isn't too bad a scenerio.

However - having The Rock/Foley go up against Orton/Batista at WM is a crappy scenerio in my opinion.

When you've got a guy like The Rock (a bonafide superstar), you have to have him in a high profile match-up. Having Triple H in the match is ok, but certainly not Dave Batista. From a marketing standpoint, do you really think the fans will care THAT much about Rock/Foley going up against BATISTA/Orton?

If you want Rock N' Sock at Wrestlemania; that's fine. However - you have to have atleast ONE high profile superstar as an opponent.

Cena staying on Smackdown is still doable because his fueds with UT, Brock, and Angle were all very short. They could easily be restarted again. Fans were dying to see Cena against brock a few weeks ago when he went against Benoit for a shot at the title. And Cena did lose to Benoit, but he was made to look very strong in the match. And if you want to count wins or whatever, Cena beat Benoit cleanly in the finals of the tournament leading to Backlash last year. Cena will have no problem being presented as a threat to main eventers if he is built up the right way. I wasn't suggesting Cena main event this year's Wrestlemania, I want that honor to go to Benoit (who definately deserves it)

I agree about Benoit deserving to win the world title, but I just don't like the WM scenerio.....especially if Lesnar and Goldberg are going toe-to-toe at Mania. If Lesnar and Goldberg 'go' at Mania', it will overshadow practically everything. Therefore, Benoit defeating Triple H won't be as BIG as it deserves to be . Argue this all you want, but I believe it to be true..........even if Benoit/HHH is the last match.

I'd like to see Benoit (stay on Smackdown), and eventually defeat Brock Lesnar (who a few months earlier defeats Goldberg at WM) to win the WWE title..............At Summerslam perhaps.

Orton is in a good position, but he is still improving. Orton is really good, possibly the star of the future, but pushing him to main events before he is fully ready is just a bad idea. Being a good main eventer isn't about whether or not the WWE gives you the right push, you have to have the talent to prove you are actually good enough to be considered the best.

Well then by your logic, Jericho and Benoit should've been established main-eventers by now. You can be the most talented guy in the world, but it means SQUAT if no main-eventer is going to give up their 'spot' (or if the WWE simply does not want to push you).

A lot it, has to do with perception. If the fans perceive you as a "mid-carder", then it will be VERY difficult to change that perception. This perception is almost solidified when mid-carders are made to JOB to main-event superstars

Do you ever wonder why a guy like Test has trouble 'staying over'? He gets pushed, but then de-pushed. It's because the fans have "stereotyped" test as a mid-carder.

Look at someone like Brock Lesnar now. The fans CLEARLY see him as a main-eventer now. Why? Because - he was immediately pushed.

WWE is doing a great job of pushing sparky holly, but he sure as hell isn't good enough to be considered a true main event guy. (and anyone who says differently is ****ing stupid IMO, not only does he suck, he just looks like a retard)

I agree with this. Hardcore Holly is only being *temporarily* built up, so that Lesnar looks even better when he squashes him as the rumble.

I don't know why you think HHH/Rock would be a good idea for WMXX with Rock winning. So what if they had a good fued 3 years ago? Just because a fued or angle was good in the past, doesn't mean it should be revisited (NWO and DX reforming so many times definately didn't work out) HHH/Rock wouldn't in any way help out the WWE. It might possibly have a little bit of interest to some people, but it wouldn't cause ratings or buyrates to go up very much (if it would make them go up at all) But after WMXX, when HHH and Rock are filming movies how will the two of them revisiting an old fued have helped the WWE? IT WON'T!!!!!!

Rock/HHH may not cause PPV buyrates to significantly increase, but it IS a high profile match. I also think that you under estimate the Rock/HHH rivalry. In year 2000 (when the was argubaly at its peak), The Rock/HHH feud was THE #1 feud. If Rock/HHH have a go at Mania' (for the title), I think the fans would be interested.

The whole point of The Rock winning the title (in my scenerio), would be for The Rock to JOB the title to Orton a month later.

now HHH/Benoit will help establish Benoit as a true main eventer player who is truly the best and will definately have an impact on the RAW scene for awhile at least.

Even if Triple H and Goldberg both leave, do you really think the marks will accept Benoit over guys like Chris Jericho and Rob Van Dam? In terms of popularity, there is no question as to whom the fans LIKE more.

Again - I don't think Benoit defeating Triple H at Mania' (where Goldberg/Lesnar will 'overshadow' any ramifications of Benoit winning the title) will do that much.

and if you're gonna say that "HHH will just make Benoit do a JOB" then for the tenth time I am saying... HHH is leaving to film movies, so him doing the JOB to Benoit is actually very likely!!!

Source? (i.e. where it's CONFIRMED that HHH will leave to film movies after WM).

Your plan of Orton winnig IC and World title? NO WAY!!!! Orton and Cena are clearly the stars of the future, but they both are still improving. It is a better move to wait until they are ready to carry themselves as main eventers, not be pushed into main events and have someone else try and carry them. You think Cena's rap gimmick is gonna get stale? uhhh NO. His fan base is still growing. Cena's gimmick is good, and he's pulling it off great. He has already had a heel run, and the fans have been wanting to cheer for him for awhile, so why would you suddenly bring him back heel when he is showing he is good as an up and coming face?

As I've stated, I disagree. Orton and Cena should be pushed immediately IMO. I also think that heels can naturally be more creative than faces. This is another reason why I'd like to see Cena turn heel again.

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