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Originally Posted by Heyman Given that wrestling sites have REPORTED that there are rumors of a SD superstar defecting to Raw (to face the Raw champ), I figured that if anyone, it could be John Cena. Face it - Cena is far more 'over' then Benoit right now. That is why it would make more sense for Cena to defect, as opposed to Benoit. Note the word 'probably'.....not definitely. Besides - If Goldberg IS going to leave after Wrestlemania, then he will "probably" be in the main-event. Think about it. If Goldberg was slated to leave after Wrestlemania, then why would he even bother showing up to wrestle in a pointless match? Do you really think Goldberg would agree to that? Do you think that the WWE would sign Goldberg (to a hefty sized contract between now and WM), so he could be in a NON main-event match? This is where I disagree. Nowadays, wrestlers have to almost be immediately pushed to the main-event level, so that the fans' perception of that wrestler is of a main-eventer. Nowadays - it is very hard to change the "perception" of what the fans thinks of a certain wrestler. Furthermore, most main-eventers today are unwilling to give up their 'spot' to allow a new mid-carder to emerge as a main-eventer. Case in Point - In the last few years or so, how many "mid-carders" have established themselves as main-eventers? Did Benoit? Did Chris Jericho? RVD? Let's go a few years before that. Jeff Jarret was one of the greatest IC champs of all-time in the WWE. Did he get any "higher" after that? Did Edge ever get 'elevated' after he won KOTR? In the last 5 years or so, the only wrestlers who have been elevated to the main-event level (and have stayed there for the most part) are Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar........both of which received 'sensational' pushes upon debuting. Jericho and Big Show have had brief main-event pushes as well, but it didn't really materialize.....because no one of significance ever did a clean JOB to them. Even Kurt Angle had a tough time establishing himself when he was champ (for the same reason). It's for THIS reason why I feel that the time to push Randy Orton is NOW. Think about it --> In the past few years or so, The Rock and Mick Foley are one of FEW main-eventers who are willing to put over mid-carders (Angle being the other). This is why I feel that this is a GOLDEN chance to establish Orton RIGHT NOW. He can go over Foley at Mania, and then The Rock a month later. Goldberg/Lesnar isn't "pretty much confirmed". It's a high probability, but nothing is set in stone. Also - ask yourself this question. What does the WWE NEED with Goldberg? In other words, why has the WWE chosen to sign Goldberg if they will mutually part ways after Wrestlemania? Goldberg will probably be used to 'put over' someone in a HIGH PROFILE match-up (i.e. Lesnar). This is what I was explaining to The CyNick as well. I highly doubt that a Triple H/Benoit match will be AFTER a Lesnar/Goldberg match........unless the WWE is completely retarded. Mark my words - if the above scenerio happens, then the fans will be completely DEAD for the Triple H/Benoit main-event. Therefore, the IMPACT of Benoit 'going over' Triple H will not be as great as it should be. I'd rather see The Rock/Foley vs. Orton/Triple H happen BEFORE Wrestlemania, but Orton going over Foley at Backlash isn't too bad a scenerio. However - having The Rock/Foley go up against Orton/Batista at WM is a crappy scenerio in my opinion. When you've got a guy like The Rock (a bonafide superstar), you have to have him in a high profile match-up. Having Triple H in the match is ok, but certainly not Dave Batista. From a marketing standpoint, do you really think the fans will care THAT much about Rock/Foley going up against BATISTA/Orton? If you want Rock N' Sock at Wrestlemania; that's fine. However - you have to have atleast ONE high profile superstar as an opponent. I agree about Benoit deserving to win the world title, but I just don't like the WM scenerio.....especially if Lesnar and Goldberg are going toe-to-toe at Mania. If Lesnar and Goldberg 'go' at Mania', it will overshadow practically everything. Therefore, Benoit defeating Triple H won't be as BIG as it deserves to be . Argue this all you want, but I believe it to be true..........even if Benoit/HHH is the last match. I'd like to see Benoit (stay on Smackdown), and eventually defeat Brock Lesnar (who a few months earlier defeats Goldberg at WM) to win the WWE title..............At Summerslam perhaps. Well then by your logic, Jericho and Benoit should've been established main-eventers by now. You can be the most talented guy in the world, but it means SQUAT if no main-eventer is going to give up their 'spot' (or if the WWE simply does not want to push you). A lot it, has to do with perception. If the fans perceive you as a "mid-carder", then it will be VERY difficult to change that perception. This perception is almost solidified when mid-carders are made to JOB to main-event superstars Do you ever wonder why a guy like Test has trouble 'staying over'? He gets pushed, but then de-pushed. It's because the fans have "stereotyped" test as a mid-carder. Look at someone like Brock Lesnar now. The fans CLEARLY see him as a main-eventer now. Why? Because - he was immediately pushed. I agree with this. Hardcore Holly is only being *temporarily* built up, so that Lesnar looks even better when he squashes him as the rumble. Rock/HHH may not cause PPV buyrates to significantly increase, but it IS a high profile match. I also think that you under estimate the Rock/HHH rivalry. In year 2000 (when the was argubaly at its peak), The Rock/HHH feud was THE #1 feud. If Rock/HHH have a go at Mania' (for the title), I think the fans would be interested. The whole point of The Rock winning the title (in my scenerio), would be for The Rock to JOB the title to Orton a month later. Even if Triple H and Goldberg both leave, do you really think the marks will accept Benoit over guys like Chris Jericho and Rob Van Dam? In terms of popularity, there is no question as to whom the fans LIKE more. Again - I don't think Benoit defeating Triple H at Mania' (where Goldberg/Lesnar will 'overshadow' any ramifications of Benoit winning the title) will do that much. Source? (i.e. where it's CONFIRMED that HHH will leave to film movies after WM). As I've stated, I disagree. Orton and Cena should be pushed immediately IMO. I also think that heels can naturally be more creative than faces. This is another reason why I'd like to see Cena turn heel again.

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Wrestling sites have reported that a SD wrestler would be traded to RAW in order to fight HHH at WMXX, they have also reported that Benoit would be that SD superstar to go to RAW. Benoit and Cena both have heat with Paul Heyman, so I'll admit that it would make sense for either of them to be the one to get traded. But with Benoit being the number one entrant in the Rumble and Paul Heyman saying that BENOIT would never get another shot at the title, it's pretty clear that Benoit is being built up as the guy to win the Rumble and win the title. Not only do I believe that Benoit is the one being prepped to win the Rumble and going to win the title at WMXX, but I also believe that Benoit is a better choice than Cena for this position. Benoit is obviously the better wrestler for one thing. Provided that both Benoit and HHH are healthy at WMXX, I think the two of them will put on a pretty damn good match. As far as being over, Benoit is already receiving a great push. I think that lately, WWE has been doing a good job of pushing certain guys and making them look good. Benoit's promo about how bad he wants the title, and how much he has sarificed in his quest for it is VERY good and is a great way to get fans behind him. And if you think that fans won't be interested in a HHH/Benoit match after Goldberg/Lesnar? Well I don't think this will be the case for a couple of reasons:
1) If the WWE does a good job of building the fued then fans will be interested in it. People mention how Rock/Hogan overshadowed Jericho/HHH at WM18, but look at the shitty buildup for that match. Plus HHH wasn't performing nearly as good as he has been the last couple of months. As long as the build up is good (and I think it will be, cuz WWE seems to be doing a good job with important angles lately) then fans will be interested in the match.
2) Quite simply, the match has the potential to be awesome. Fans (especially a hardcore Madison Square Garden crowd) will pretty much always be interested in a good match. We all know Benoit is an awesome worker, and with him being in the main event at the biggest show ever, Benoit will turn it up bigtime and try to put on the performance of his life. HHH is a good wrestler whenever he is injury free. Lately I think HHH has been doing good, and provided that he is in good shape at WMXX, he and Benoit are definately capable of putting on a 5star match.

Now you use Brock Lesnar as an example of someone getting a main event push right away. But Brock Lesnar is different from Cena and Orton for a couple of reasons:
1) The Look: Brock has a great look, he legitimately looks like he could kick anyone's ass in the WWE. Cena and Orton do not have this advantage. They both have a good look, but you wouldn't just see them and think that they could kick anyone's ass they meet. Lesnar is one badass looking mofo.
2) Lesnar is a better in ring worker than Cena and Orton. When Lesnar was thrust into main event matches, he didn't need to be carried in those matches. He contributed to those matches as much as Rock, UT, Angle, and others that he wrestled. Cena and Orton both are not good enough in the ring to carry themselves fully. Lesnar was capable of doing this very quickly.

You think that Rock/Sock vs Orton/Batista won't be very high profile, but I disagree. I have a feeling that if (or when IMO) this match happens, it will receive alot of attention and buildup towards it. Because obviously, Rock and Sock will be a big attraction. Plus, the WWE seems to be very high on Orton/Batista, so I bet they would want to advertise them as serious contenders. I think that if buildup is good enough, this will be a very important match for WMXX.

As for my source for HHH being gone to film movies in a few months? Straight from HHH's mouth on WWE.com a while back, plus it was mentioned at least a couple of times here on TPWW.net.

You ask about Goldberg, and why he would want to work for Wrestlemania if he is leaving? Well, I think the $300,000 payoff that main eventers get at Wrestlemania is pretty good incentive?

Ok, I have more to say, but am to tired to type it. This covers most of my opinions of your response to my posts.

Oh yeah, and for the record, whatever CyNick says is probably right. He always seems to be right.


Oh yeah, and CyNick, what is it about Orton, that you are saying you know? I'm curious...