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Originally Posted by Kane Knight
If punk is all about a message, why are the Ramones (Often as shallow as the beach boys) considered punk?
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It depends on the era. Punk meant different things at different times. In the begining it was a conservative movement (the Ramones were mostly conservative as an example) and it was about just being over the top, and playing shitty songs as fast as you could. In the 80's/90's, punk became more about a message. In recent years it has morphed into some kind of annoying whiney emo bullshit.
Green Day just fucking sucks to me. They marketed punk to the masses in a bubble gum disguise and created legions of kids who thought they were being all cool and different, like all the annoying real punk kids who real and different, but atleast the "real punks" most of the time were listening to music that provoked real thought. Same thing with Blink and all those shitty pop punk bands, marketing punk to the masses.. I woulndt even hate GD so much if it werent for that American Idiot song. they wait till they can safely have a message before they decide to. fuck them.