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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives
It's really simpe Bean, TO's issues are never brought onto the field.
Moss's issues aren't.
You have to give 100% every play, doesn't matter the call or who'se getting the ball.
He's not the best player in the league, Stats especially in the Nfl are as much about the team as the player.
Moss was helped in the early years by Carter & Reed.
I'm not saying Moss isn't a great WR, just saying there are a few I'd take before him and no, I wouldn't want Moss or TO on the Patriots, not until they both grow up. But if I had to take one, I'd take Owens, I know that every play he's going to show up and give 100%.
I do love how you try to justify everything from "accelerating his car while a meter maid was sitting on it" to taking plays off and then tell RP his head is stuck up Harrisons ass.
Going to be interesting how Moss does this year w/o as good WR around him, with a QB that isn't as good, etc.... etc..... I still think he'll do good, cause as I said he is one of the best WR in the NFL and will or rather "Should" break some records before his career is over.
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He already has broken records. He had Carter on the downside of his career, a player who was such a prima donna that he destroyed team chemistry. A player who thought he was above the team. His attitude spilled over to Moss in the older years. And Carter retired years ago, yet somehow Moss has continued to put up numbers, so shut the fuck up about that. And a good QB? Jeff George? Pretty sure he had an amazing season in 99 with Jeff George throwing him the ball. Pretty sick and tired of people trying to pass off his stats as 7 years of abberation. Like he was a 7-year fluke. You can't be a fluke for 7 straight years.
As for the Patriots, are you sure about that? The Patriots are a team that thrives on chemistry. First off, Moss has been babied his entire time here. If he had a coach who could actually coach him, like Belichek, he would work a lot harder. Second off, Terrell Owens is the antithesis of team chemistry. He's a cancer. Moss is immature, but he's not a cancer. Like I said, he has helped the players around him. He is a great downfield blocker for his size, and he made all the young WRs around him better as their leader.
All you people see is what ESPN wants you to see. And good players with bad raps does not make good news stories.
But as for you saying TO's issues are never brought onto the field... uh... I'm sorry, did you watch the 49ers vs Vikings game 2 years ago? Did you?
That person Owens was attacking? WAS HIS OWN COORDINATOR. And after the game, Owens said he wanted Rattay starting at QB.
Never let his issues spill onto the field... you don't even try making sense, do you?
As for me being up Moss's ass? Listen. I love the guy. But I would keep it simple, to just saying he's statistically en route to being the best ever and leave it at that. But I cannot stand idly by while he's being compared to Terrell Owens, when it's obvious that Owens is not a team player, and continues to destroy the teams he plays for, while Moss is a team player who just happens to be immature. I wish he wasn't so immature, but I can't really blame him. He's being himself. He's not letting the game change him. He's playing it for fun, and living his life according to his own rules. This doesn't make him selfish. He was a team leader in Minnesota, whether he liked to admit it or not. His presence will most definitely be missed here. But here's the difference between RP and myself: RP says "watch Harrison play and you'll see he's obviously the best."
I say, look at the stats. Moss is statistically, at this point in his career, the greatest of all time. Now, time will tell if he will take over Rice in that department. Chances are he will not. In that case, I would be willing to say he is the second greatest. I'm torn, though, on whether superbowl rings matter in determining the greatest. Most people say you need a ring to be a true success, but to that I say... what if the entire team around you blows? Barry Sanders played on so many losing teams it's unbelievable. Anyway, I digress. Statistically, Moss is on his way to being the greatest. He shattered records at Marshall, and stood in Cris Carter's shadow. Everyone said Carter mentored him, and he did -- but not in the way you would like your veteran to mentor a player. People say it was all the QB, but it was not Cunningham, it was Billick. Once Billick left as OC, Cunningham became pathetic. Jeff George took over, and was good enough for a Wildcard berth and early exit. Daunte is the man, but Daunte didn't make Moss, because Moss was a two-time ProBowler by the time Culpepper started his first game.
Moss is the reason I love football. I got into it late. I will always defend Moss, not because I'm biased, but because he deserves it. When Owens can call players killers and fags, tell off his coaches twice, call his QB a hypocrite who gave up in the Superbowl, whine to get traded twice, then whine for two huge contracts in a row despite being 32... yet still be held above Moss because Moss "takes plays off."
I dunno, man. Moss may take plays off. He may not go over the middle. He may have gotten help from Carter... but if all this was true...
Why the fuck does he have more yards and TDs than any other WR in the history of the NFL in his first 7 years?