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Old 03-09-2011, 04:16 PM   #1
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If Miz retains I guess this will all make sense somehow
Yeah I'm just wondering what purpose any of this (Rock/Cena thing) could serve then I realized if Miz beat Cena and retained at Wrestlemania the whole thing would make perfect sense.

Miz is saying he's going to beat Cena and The Rock at wrestlemania. You know if he beats Cena it will be pretty lol because then he'll go on about how he told the world he would beat them both and did it.

Then it would make the point of this whole thing irrelevant. He would be the one getting the rub from The Rock, not Cena.

I dunno, I think it could happen. I have to admit my first thought of Miz is that he would probably not even win cashing in his MITB. I'm not going to cry if he doesn't retain but I think that's what I'm pulling for. But whoever ends up with the title, let's restore some credibility to these belts and the people who carry them.

The fact that Shamus was WWE champion not long ago and is now like oh what's up makr henry, np just pin me on raw, lol wow.
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:23 PM   #2
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The Miz needs the rub a lot more than Cena does. I say let him roll. He's over. He's entertaining. They might as well solidify him as a REAL main eventer.

I do wonder how The Rock is going to be involved in all of this, though. Surely they won't have TWO guest referee matches, will they?
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Old 03-09-2011, 07:02 PM   #3
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The Miz needs the rub a lot more than Cena does. I say let him roll. He's over. He's entertaining. They might as well solidify him as a REAL main eventer.

I do wonder how The Rock is going to be involved in all of this, though. Surely they won't have TWO guest referee matches, will they?
Hell, we know that WWE aren't above running a gimmick match into the ground. I say let's make "Guest Referee" the theme for WM this year!


WWE Title
Miz (c) v Cena (Ref: The Rock)

World Title
Edge (c) v Del Rio (Ref: Christian)

Taker v HHH (Ref: Shawn Michaels)

Lawler v King (Ref: Steve Austin)

Diva's Title
What's Her Name v That Other Girl (Ref: Trish Stratus)

Nexus v Corre (Ref: Kevin Nash)

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Hell, we know that WWE aren't above running a gimmick match into the ground. I say let's make "Guest Referee" the theme for WM this year!


WWE Title
Miz (c) v Cena (Ref: The Rock)

World Title
Edge (c) v Del Rio (Ref: Christian)

Taker v HHH (Ref: Shawn Michaels)

Lawler v King (Ref: Steve Austin)

Diva's Title
What's Her Name v That Other Girl (Ref: Trish Stratus)

Nexus v Corre (Ref: Kevin Nash)

etc.
They have to save that for the new PPV "Special Referee"
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Old 03-10-2011, 04:25 AM   #6
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The Miz needs the rub a lot more than Cena does. I say let him roll. He's over. He's entertaining. They might as well solidify him as a REAL main eventer.

I do wonder how The Rock is going to be involved in all of this, though. Surely they won't have TWO guest referee matches, will they?
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Concievably Cena and Rock could share a manufactured torch passing moment.
They could also trade blows, and leave the tension open ended.

More likely, I think both Miz and Cena will end up on the wrong end of a Rock finisher. Then I think Miz will squeak out with a win and the Cena/Rock rumors will carry strong into Summerslam or Wrestlemania in Miami next year.
Even if an actual match is unlikely, why not keep the seed there?

There's also the chance of a pre-emptive strike by Cena on Rock. That would be a heel turn, for the most part, though.
So I don't see that happening unless Rock is going to hang around for the Summer.

I'm more than happy with the possibilities and dynamics of this match, and I think all 3 will make for a really entertaining match. I'm not too concerned with who wins.
Obviously, I think The Miz could use it more, though. It'd be nice to see him get out of there with the strap.
I actually love the idea of the dastardly and heelish Miz escaping with his title, looking back on what Cena is doing to Rock, or vice versa, and he himself being shocked by the level of heeldom on display.
These are the posts I most agree with. While WrestleMania is the place for faces to beat heels, what does Cena beating The Miz really prove? Does anyone really see The Miz as being above John Cena at this point? The Miz retaining the WWE Title gives him a great heel moment, and doesn't really hurt Cena. As Triple H has said, Cena is almost at the point where he doesn't need a top title to be seen as a massive star. And I'd say he's already there.

The Rock and Cena could very easily have a moment of respect, but I think that's the coward's way out. As long as Cena and The Rock hate each other, people are going to be on edge for a Rock/Cena match -- regardless of its likelihood. With WrestleMania in Miami, and The Undertaker likely being 19-0, I can very easily see the main event of that show being The Undertaker vs. John Cena with The Rock as Special Guest Referee.

So yeah, Cena could win, and have that one imperfect blip on his WrestleMania record from WrestleMania XXIV, or he could streamroll over Miz, who will recover, and things are just the same. Personally, if I were booking, I'd go with The Rock hitting Cena with a Rock Bottom, The Miz capitalising to retain, and Cena wanting a match with The Rock -- which is eventually forgotten, until The Rock's schedule allows him to return and continue to antagonise Cena.
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:54 PM   #7
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With WrestleMania in Miami, and The Undertaker likely being 19-0, I can very easily see the main event of that show being The Undertaker vs. John Cena with The Rock as Special Guest Referee.
First off - I doubt they'll have two guest referee matches in a row for the UT streak (unless they're doing a new thing - 2 HBK matches, 2 guest ref matches, etc.)

As far as this Rock Vs. Cena Vs. Miz thing goes. I would personally like to see Miz retain. There are a few factors to consider:
1: The Rock and his schedule. Let's just suppose that Rock is actually 'free' for now - let's say he's having a 1 year sabbatical from Hollywood. That'd be great. If he doesn't then him being involved in an actual feud (other than baiting for a Cena Vs. Rock match next year) is highly doubtful.
2: Mania as the place to 'settle' things. Of course things don't always get settled at Mania. There's even been PPVs allowing people to get even from Mania. However for this match is would seem that there needs to be a finish - the obvious one being Cena winning with Rock hugging him. It could however also be the reverse - Miz wins with an assist from Rock, building a Cena Vs. Rock feud (supposing Rock has time), and allowing Miz and the championship to be involved elsewhere.
3: Suppose we do have a crappy finish (non closure finish). Rock lays both men out and either one wins. That would allow the feud to continue. If Cena wins, Miz would call him out, Cena would admit that the win was messy and *BAM* PPV match! If Miz wins Cena would hound him for retaining via the cowards way out, eventually Miz accepting a match at the next PPV.
4: There is a problem. Let's say Miz wins, and the Rock doesn't have time for a full feud with Cena. With Miz as Champ and Cena not really having much reason to feud with him (barring the third option), what would Cena do? Feud with the Nexus? Somehow get a feud with Orton? Become a street performer?

Anyway - I hope Miz will win, I hope it'll be somewhat clean and I hope that the option that is available to us is #4 with a Rock able to actually feud - not necessarily fight with Cena (Rock could simply work by proxy - becoming a stable heel leader, maybe even in concert with Cole...
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:25 PM   #8
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Honestly, if you buy into the hype that things may be returning to PG-13, it would make pretty good sense to have The Miz retain. It would be a rebirth of sorts for the product to let people know that the "same old shit" is just that...old.
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:26 PM   #9
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:35 PM   #10
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I don't think King/Cole is really a match, more off something entertaining to put on between HHH/Undertaker and the world championship matches. (With the Divas match being the other filler)
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:38 PM   #11
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Vince is really behind the Miz as a future star for the company and this push to help him become it.

If Cena looses, he would have the excuse that he was busy with The Rock and underestimated the Miz while the Miz can continue in his self-gloating saying how he did what nobody could do in a single match against Cena at Mania.

It would make no sense for Cena to get the rub from The Rock when their "feud" started from a real incident and became a bit personal. Only way that could occur is if Rock and Cena hugged or shook hands in the ring but then that would contradict their whole promos leading up to Mania.
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:38 PM   #12
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He has to lose mania.
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Cena wins and overcomes the odds which include The Rock and an unexpected volcanic eruption in the ring during the match.
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Cena wins and overcomes the odds which include The Rock and an unexpected volcanic eruption in the ring during the match.
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Miz wins.
Becomes a credible champion.
Loses it at Bragging Rights.
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Miz was brilliant on Raw this week. I hope he retains, he's a great heel champion.
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This is a idea I read about though I dunno if WWE wants to go with it.

Cena loses at mania and The Rock (he might lay out Miz or whatever and then maybe delivers a People's Elbow etc) comes out and celebrates with the fans or whatever. Cena's still out there though...and then suddenly he attacks the Rock and lays him out and assaults him, maybe makes him bleed, KO's him, etc.

Then Cena goes on to blame Rocky for making him lose at Mania and trashes him and says that he got rid of everyone's favorite wwe superstar, thus finally turning heel since the Nexus deal fizzled out.

All this could lead up to a confrontation at WWE Summerslam...and so on...
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This is a idea I read about though I dunno if WWE wants to go with it.

Cena loses at mania and The Rock (he might lay out Miz or whatever and then maybe delivers a People's Elbow etc) comes out and celebrates with the fans or whatever. Cena's still out there though...and then suddenly he attacks the Rock and lays him out and assaults him, maybe makes him bleed, KO's him, etc.

Then Cena goes on to blame Rocky for making him lose at Mania and trashes him and says that he got rid of everyone's favorite wwe superstar, thus finally turning heel since the Nexus deal fizzled out.

All this could lead up to a confrontation at WWE Summerslam...and so on...

Hate it. The Miz gets completely shit on here.
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I know it don't really matter much anymore more but i still wish Miz had lost to Lawler at EC and then beat the living shit out of him on the following raw to win the title back, I know that some say that a quick title switch like that would take some of the credibility away from the title but it gets Miz over as a badass when he has to be.

As far as Mania goes I'd love for Miz to retain and beat Cena clean but that ain't gonna happen.

Cena Wins.
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I know it don't really matter much anymore more but i still wish Miz had lost to Lawler at EC and then beat the living shit out of him on the following raw to win the title back, I know that some say that a quick title switch like that would take some of the credibility away from the title but it gets Miz over as a badass when he has to be.

As far as Mania goes I'd love for Miz to retain and beat Cena clean but that ain't gonna happen.

Cena Wins.
A badass when he HAS to be? You mean, like a title defense? If Lawler would have won the title, it would have tarnished The Miz, possibly for the rest of his career.
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A badass when he HAS to be? You mean, like a title defense? If Lawler would have won the title, it would have tarnished The Miz, possibly for the rest of his career.
I think The Miz would have been fine, he didn't think Lawler was a challange and he toyed with him etc. then the following night he fucks him up. I think I just wanted to see Miz destroy somebody leading into Mania
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As much as I love Miz, I dont think anyone is really convinced about him being 'a main eventer'. Dunno wat it is, but cant see him ending Mania as champ.

Plus how many times do heels retain/win at Mania? Its usaually the face winning to 'send everyone home happy'.
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As much as I love Miz, I dont think anyone is really convinced about him being 'a main eventer'. Dunno wat it is, but cant see him ending Mania as champ.

Plus how many times do heels retain/win at Mania? Its usaually the face winning to 'send everyone home happy'.
Who says they have to go on last, though?
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As much as I love Miz, I dont think anyone is really convinced about him being 'a main eventer'. Dunno wat it is, but cant see him ending Mania as champ.

Plus how many times do heels retain/win at Mania? Its usaually the face winning to 'send everyone home happy'.
Um, he is in the main event at WRESTLEMANIA! How is that not being a main eventer?
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Indeed.

I've been pulling for a Miz win at Mania. Mainly to send the message that Miz's "generation" are on par with Cena's "generation" (Orton, Batista) etc.

As stated in this very thread, people don't yet "buy" Miz as a legit champ. A win over Cena at Mania might help with that.

Get your "happy ending" somewhere else. If they plan on having Del Rio beat Edge, then put Taker v HHH on last. Although a Taker win isn't a massive happy ending (especially for the likes of James Steele) it should do the job.
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That Lawler v. King match should be pretty good.
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That Lawler v. King match should be pretty good.
They should add Jerry and make it a triple threat.
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Cena is more tolerable than Miz in the ring but Miz is more interesting on the mic. I don't really care who wins.
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Cena is more tolerable than Miz in the ring but Miz is more interesting on the mic. I don't really care who wins.
Dunno for the last 6 months Miz has stpped it up, and I really enjoy his matches.
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I think too much is being read into it. The Rock and Cena have natural heat and large fanbases that feed into it.
It's good hype for the match and event in general. However Miz and Cena come out of it, they come out of it.
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I figured it all out this morning at work while I was bored. Rock screws over Miz at WM and costs him the belt. Cena and the Rock hug in the ring and get a huge pop, the Miz cries in the corner and they na-na-na him back to the locker room. Will lead to a Rock/Miz thing that wont go anywhere.

Just a really elaborate set up. When the Rock hits the ring everyone will think Cena's gonna get screwed and then WHAM!..and it'll be shocking to everyone but me and anyone who reads this.
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Concievably Cena and Rock could share a manufactured torch passing moment.
They could also trade blows, and leave the tension open ended.

More likely, I think both Miz and Cena will end up on the wrong end of a Rock finisher. Then I think Miz will squeak out with a win and the Cena/Rock rumors will carry strong into Summerslam or Wrestlemania in Miami next year.
Even if an actual match is unlikely, why not keep the seed there?

There's also the chance of a pre-emptive strike by Cena on Rock. That would be a heel turn, for the most part, though.
So I don't see that happening unless Rock is going to hang around for the Summer.

I'm more than happy with the possibilities and dynamics of this match, and I think all 3 will make for a really entertaining match. I'm not too concerned with who wins.
Obviously, I think The Miz could use it more, though. It'd be nice to see him get out of there with the strap.
I actually love the idea of the dastardly and heelish Miz escaping with his title, looking back on what Cena is doing to Rock, or vice versa, and he himself being shocked by the level of heeldom on display.
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The Lawler-Cole match is going to be a total blast, I think. A clusterfuck, but that's really what it should be. The more gags and whistles added the better at this point.
Only WWE can make a 5 star clusterfuck, and Mania is the place to do it.
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Heidenreich should make a surprise one night return and Rape Cole.

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At one point Cole should be standing over King unbuckling his belt with an eager face, and Heidenreich's musis should hit, as the camera zooms in on his shocked and terrified face.
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