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Old 05-04-2011, 11:00 PM   #1
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Guys WWE Dropped The Ball On
I was thinking about a few guys that the WWE failed to push or had used wrong and wanted to make a thread about it.

- Diamond Dallas Page: Jobbed him out to The Undertaker. Never considered pushing him. Listen to the response he gets when he takes off the mask and reveals who he is. The pop was huge, and yet he was treated like garbage in the WWE.

- Matt Hardy: There were times he could’ve been a top draw and was getting huge pops.

- Raven: He can talk and wrestle, and the crowd cares about him. He was underpushed in WCW and somehow was used even more poorly in the WWE.

- Tazz: Tazz’s debut was amazing, and within a year, he was an announcer. 2000 was a year of opportunity for Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle. There’s no reason we couldn’t be talking about Tazz on that list.

- Vader: Vader was over huge as a heel in WCW. He could wrestle and had size. Yet somehow, he never really got anywhere. His loss to Shawn Michaels at SummerSlam 1996 ended any chance, and he ended up stuck in the midcard for the next two years.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:02 PM   #2
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Matt Hardy would have never been a top draw. Ever. I'm sick of people saying things like that.
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:00 PM   #3
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Matt Hardy would have never been a top draw. Ever. I'm sick of people saying things like that.
First of all... Thank you Thrilla...

Second, I know Tazz lost his passion for the biz, that is well documented... But didn't he have a really bad back as well and opted to retire instead of the wheelchair?
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:03 PM   #4
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:07 PM   #5
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Don't mention christian it's too soon.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:20 PM   #6
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Raven was stale by the time he got to WWE. How many times do we have to sit through the flock or the nest or the coop.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:50 PM   #7
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Raven was stale by the time he got to WWE. How many times do we have to sit through the flock or the nest or the coop.
He had the Nest in ECW, the Flock in WCW, and the Gathering in TNA. Why do people not see what a one-trick pony this guy is.

- Diamond Dallas Page
I'm sick of hearing this. Page was an old man when he started wrestling in WCW; he was getting plenty of TV time after the Invasion ended but wound up injured. Anyone who thinks he could have held the main event with Jericho, Austin, HHH, Angle, Undertaker, Rock, and Jericho around, and even the Big Show and Booker T, is fantastically deluded.

- Matt Hardy
Matt Hardy is a combination of dropping the ball on his own time and unfortunate injuries. He had plenty of chances to shine and take the spotlight, but he either got injured or fizzled out every time the chance came.

- Tazz
How many times do you jackass ECW-philes need to be reminded that Tazz himself has said repeatedly that he lost passion for the business before he ever left ECW? No, we don't get to cum unless we're blaming everything on Vince McMahon, do we?

- Vader
Vader got more time in the main event than he ever deserved. Sure, he was a great worker, but he was never the best of his time.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:41 PM   #8
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:43 PM   #9
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DDP and Tazz for sure...

Even Goldberg to an extent...
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:51 PM   #10
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Even Goldberg to an extent...
WWE did not drop the ball on Goldberg, Goldberg refused to play unless he was the only one who got to hold the ball.
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Old 05-05-2011, 12:42 AM   #11
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:07 AM   #13
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:18 AM   #14
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Shelton Benjamin.
Ehhhh....yes and no.

On one hand, when Shelton got those wins over Triple H, it seemed like he was ready to get on that NEXT level...

...but eventually, his mic skills were exposed as non-existent, and when the spotlight was put on him, he started botching habitually. I think the WWE wanted him to work, but he couldn't handle the pressure.
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:30 AM   #15
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Old 05-05-2011, 03:00 AM   #16
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Buh Buh Ray Duldley's singles run could at the very least put him over as a IC Champ.
Hakushi or Jinsei Shinzaki for you FMW buffs. Great wrestler and worker who could have been a main heel for a long time.
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Old 05-05-2011, 03:04 AM   #17
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First name I thought of when I saw the thread title... Mr. Kennedy
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Old 05-05-2011, 03:47 AM   #18
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Rated R, you signed up more than a week ago, right?

I ask because...http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=112547
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Old 05-05-2011, 04:29 AM   #19
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This thread is re-done at least once a month.

And I always say the same thing.

DDP [/thread]
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Old 05-05-2011, 04:51 AM   #20
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Old 05-05-2011, 06:31 AM   #21
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Old 05-05-2011, 06:31 AM   #22
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What about guys WCW dropped the ball on, like Hart.
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Old 05-05-2011, 08:04 AM   #23
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No Matt Hardy..... If Christian can't get a decen Title reign, then I'm sure as hell Hardy wouldn't have got one....
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Old 05-05-2011, 08:59 AM   #24
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:31 AM   #25
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IT'S A CONSPIRACY

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Old 05-05-2011, 09:12 AM   #26
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I never thought that DDP was main event material in WWE. In WCW during its demise? Sure, but not in WWE with its main event talent in 2001-02. However, I think DDP should have given more opportunities in the upper midcard rather than introducing him as the guy stalking Undertaker's ugly-ass wife.
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:36 AM   #27
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They just bought a ball for R Truth and are inflating it now, readying it to be dropped.
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:42 AM   #28
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:45 AM   #29
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No. R Truth's ball will be inflated half way and then they'll just stop pumping it altogether.
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:46 AM   #30
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:15 AM   #31
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I'd start with the Big Show. Cocked him up right from the start. His stock was low when he left WCW, but WWF could of made him an unstoppable monster if they used him correctly. His debut with him ripping through the ring and attacking Austin during the Rattlesnake's match with Mr McMahon at St Valentines Day Massacre was great...then he was made to look a total goof by chokeslaming Austin through the cage, allowing Stone Cold to obtain victory. He should of cost Austin the match. Then soon after that he was destroyed by Austin on an episode of RAW. So soon after his debut and not on PPV?! Going in to WrestleMania XV, Show was matched up against the floundering Mankind. He then looks a huge doofus again by getting himself DQ'ed for choke-slamming Mankind through a couple of chairs. He then turned face, got fatter and balder, and ended up jobbing to world class piss-break fanatics like Hardcore Holly. He was never effective after that. What followed? A world title feud...with the Big Boss Man...in late 1-9-9-9?! Not a recipe for success.

Others that spring to mind? The obvious ones: Raven, Taz(z), DDP, Sean O'Haire, Kanyon.

WWF also dropped the ball and stamped on it when it came to WCW and ECW for that matter.
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Hadn't though of him initially but I'd have to agree with O'Haire with his name dropped I could say the same for a couple of his former tag team partners in Mark Jindrak and Chuck Palumbo they were both misused though.
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I'd start with the Big Show. Cocked him up right from the start. His stock was low when he left WCW, but WWF could of made him an unstoppable monster if they used him correctly. His debut with him ripping through the ring and attacking Austin during the Rattlesnake's match with Mr McMahon at St Valentines Day Massacre was great...then he was made to look a total goof by chokeslaming Austin through the cage, allowing Stone Cold to obtain victory. He should of cost Austin the match. Then soon after that he was destroyed by Austin on an episode of RAW. So soon after his debut and not on PPV?! Going in to WrestleMania XV, Show was matched up against the floundering Mankind. He then looks a huge doofus again by getting himself DQ'ed for choke-slamming Mankind through a couple of chairs. He then turned face, got fatter and balder, and ended up jobbing to world class piss-break fanatics like Hardcore Holly. He was never effective after that. What followed? A world title feud...with the Big Boss Man...in late 1-9-9-9?! Not a recipe for success.
So I suppose Show's terrible, ill-advised 2nd title run with the WWE Championship in 2002 when he defeated Brock Lesnar at Survivor Series never happened in your mind?
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So I suppose Show's terrible, ill-advised 2nd title run with the WWE Championship in 2002 when he defeated Brock Lesnar at Survivor Series never happened in your mind?

That's not the point. Look at Mark Henry, a wrestler who's never been over and will never draw money, came to the company in 1996, yet took on 'Taker at a WrestleMania and he's STILL THERE being paid to be a fat anus.

Yeah, Show won the title again, but by then titles meant nothing. He never truly made it and never will. Saying that, I never thought Bradshaw would get over but he did and get on track, very well, in 2004.
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That's not the point. Look at Mark Henry, a wrestler who's never been over and will never draw money, came to the company in 1996, yet took on 'Taker at a WrestleMania and he's STILL THERE being paid to be a fat anus.

Yeah, Show won the title again, but by then titles meant nothing. He never truly made it and never will. Saying that, I never thought Bradshaw would get over but he did and get on track, very well, in 2004.
For some guys size is everything. Not everybody can be a super-over world champ like Orton, Cena, Rock, Triple H, Austin and Taker, and besides WWE has proven over and over again that whether they're face or heel, everybody loves a gigantic monster who kicks ass.

That's why I'm hoping this new run on SD! will turn Henry back into the uber-monster heel that he was designed to play.
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For some guys size is everything. Not everybody can be a super-over world champ like Orton, Cena, Rock, Triple H, Austin and Taker, and besides WWE has proven over and over again that whether they're face or heel, everybody loves a gigantic monster who kicks ass.

That's why I'm hoping this new run on SD! will turn Henry back into the uber-monster heel that he was designed to play.
But most people don't like a monster who gets his arse kicked...over and over again...in a small space of time...with relative ease. WWF/E have tried to reinvent the Big Show time and time again, whether it be by turning him, giving him a new ring attire or pairing him up in a tag team.

Don't get me wrong, Show in my opinion was used correctly when he was first brought in to WCW as The Giant. When he got to WWF he was handled all wrong (also see Chris Jericho). Show has to shoulder a lot of the blame for not being the best that he can be. He got fatter and fatter and indeed fatter. He could of been so much better in WWF/E.

As I mentioned before, just because Show won the title more than once doesn't mean he was a sure-fire success. Vince loves big men. Great Khali is a former world champion. Was/is he a success?

Many people have mentioned DDP and Raven in their lists: DDP, after getting his arse handed to him by The Undertaker (and 'Taker's Gonzo-esque now ex-wife Sara) and given that goofy yet somewhat humerous ''That's a good thing.'' gimmick, won the WWF European Championship and got a clean pinfall win at WrestleMania X8. Raven held the WWF Hardcore Title more than anyone else. Are these guys success stories?

In regards to Henry...he was just damn lucky he was signed to such a well-paid long-term contract when he started with the WWF. He and Hardcore Holly are two individuals who where pushed right down fans throats and never got over. Never. Not once. The closest Henry got to a noticable fan reaction was when he was trying to get in to Chyna's knickers during his 'Sexual Chocolate' phase. An uncharismatic 400lb waste of time, money and space.
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