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Old 04-20-2012, 06:45 PM   #1
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How big of a draw is RVD?
So two weeks ago RVD returned and is already booked to wrestle for the world title at Sacrifice. In typical TNA fashion they've put someone into the main event picture who hasn't been around for awhile, but he's still in good shape and can still hit the 5 Star from anywere. So how big of a draw would you say is RVD in pro wrestling today?



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Old 04-20-2012, 06:47 PM   #2
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Not very big at all as far as I'm concerned. But I'm of the view that he's highly overrated as it is.
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"Not very" is exactly what I was going to post.

Once WWE bungled him in the Invasion, where he was over as shit and could have been enormous, he's not been worth much outside of what guys like Truth and Morrison have been - guys who could be cycled in and out of the main event but never a true main eventer. The one exception was when he beat Cena, but even that was doomed to failure whether he fucked up like he did or not.
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I just don't imagine his match-style is going to be as exciting now as it was in the 90s.
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I just don't imagine his match-style is going to be as exciting now as it was in the 90s.
In fairness its the same match he was having in the 90s that he still puts out there.
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Less of a draw now since he joined TNA,its amazing how quickly that happens, but he wasn't really a big draw anywhere outside ECW,whatever that was worth. Like Xero said,he had the potential to be huge during the Invasion but was poorly booked and never really recovered.
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He's probably about as much as a draw as anyone not named Brock Lesnar, The Rock or John Cena, to be fair. He moves a ton of merchandise for TNA and is fairly over, so I see no problem in having him step into the main event scene for a little bit to put over Roode as champ some more. Now, if RVD wins the title, that'll be another issue...
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He's probably about as much as a draw as anyone not named Brock Lesnar, The Rock or John Cena, to be fair. He moves a ton of merchandise for TNA and is fairly over, so I see no problem in having him step into the main event scene for a little bit to put over Roode as champ some more. Now, if RVD wins the title, that'll be another issue...
He's definitely far far far lower down the drawing ladder than those you mentioned. There's a ton of other people who are much more of a draw currrently.
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Old 07-02-2012, 07:19 PM   #13
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He's definitely far far far lower down the drawing ladder than those you mentioned. There's a ton of other people who are much more of a draw currrently.


So your saying he isn't a bigger draw then Christian?

In all honesty, who would people pay quicker to see, RVD vs Sheamus or Christian vs Sheamus? or RVD vs CM Punk against Christian vs CM Punk.
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If RVD wins the title again, it'll be business as usual for TNA.

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I had an elaborate opinion on the matter. Then I got bored while writing about RVD.He's talented, no doubt. I actually like the guy. However, a smark gets bored writing about him, what does that tell you about how much of a draw he is?

To be fair, whenever we ask ourselves this question about someone, we assume that it is 100% on them to either "get over" or "be a draw" or both. Yes, it's his fault he's "had the same match since the 90's", and most of those were against Jerry Lynn, but aside from being "backstabbed" by the freshly Heel Hardy back when that first happened, I don't remember him being booked in many programs with anyone for any other reason than "lets have this guy in a match vs. RVD... that should be fun!" You know you're in for a reasonably entertaining match, but since there is rarely ever a "why?" involved, nobody gives a damn to go out of their way for it. If there were no conflict an angles between Bret & HBK, it would just be two good wrestlers having a match that only the IWC would remember.

As it stands, he's not so much a draw as he is a "bonus".
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I had an elaborate opinion on the matter. Then I got bored while writing about RVD.He's talented, no doubt. I actually like the guy. However, a smark gets bored writing about him, what does that tell you about how much of a draw he is?

To be fair, whenever we ask ourselves this question about someone, we assume that it is 100% on them to either "get over" or "be a draw" or both. Yes, it's his fault he's "had the same match since the 90's", and most of those were against Jerry Lynn, but aside from being "backstabbed" by the freshly Heel Hardy back when that first happened, I don't remember him being booked in many programs with anyone for any other reason than "lets have this guy in a match vs. RVD... that should be fun!" You know you're in for a reasonably entertaining match, but since there is rarely ever a "why?" involved, nobody gives a damn to go out of their way for it. If there were no conflict an angles between Bret & HBK, it would just be two good wrestlers having a match that only the IWC would remember.

As it stands, he's not so much a draw as he is a "bonus".
I mostly agree with this assessment. I like him too, I've always thought he was a very enjoyable guy to watch, put on exciting matches, guy knew how to work. But that doesn't = draw. And he wasn't a draw. Not even at his peak.
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There was only one night when RVD was a big draw. One Night 2006. Before and after that? I never thought he was a big draw. I always thought he was overrated. I know I will probably get heat for that, but thats how I feel.
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Do people know what a draw is? A draw isn't how much you like a guy or how good he is in the ring. It's about whether or not people clunk down money to see said person. There is no doubt that RVD, at one point, was one of the hottest acts in professional wrestling.
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I feel like he drew big in ECW, and slightly during the Invasion, but I think his power to pull in viewers has diminished.

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He hasn't evolved since ECW... That's the issue. If he changed up a little, then he would be fine...
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Negative draw. Was gonna give TNA yet another shot, but heard RVD was back and fighting for the title, so I said "nah".

Then again, I have always hated RVD.
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:20 PM   #29
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Yeah.

To be fair, I never saw him in ECW though.

So to me he was always just this craaaazy overrated dude.
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:45 PM   #30
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Yeah.

To be fair, I never saw him in ECW though.

So to me he was always just this craaaazy overrated dude.
His style never fully meshed with the WWE for me. I don't know if I ever got over the fact that Bill Alfonso wasn't his manager and he wasn't allowed to hit people with chairs.
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:17 PM   #31
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:32 PM   #32
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James Storm could be if TNA had decent booking.....
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I think RVD next dvd should be call RVDVD. That would be LULZ. RVD was like my 5 or 7th best wrestler of all time but he was'nt my 6th fav cuz that whas HBK. He was a good?
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I think RVD next dvd should be call RVDVD. That would be LULZ. RVD was like my 5 or 7th best wrestler of all time but he was'nt my 6th fav cuz that whas HBK. He was a good?
Yes, he was a good.

I don't see RVD helping TNA draw more at all really.
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