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Old 12-19-2003, 03:06 PM   #1
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Laughing Ferdinand given 8 Month Ban
LOL, that is all I have to say.
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Old 12-19-2003, 03:07 PM   #2
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Should have been longer IMO.

This coming from a guy who used to support Man Utd (I have 97% gone off football now )
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I failed to mention the £50,000 fine, which is a weeks wages. Big fucking loss.
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Oh my god, he's gonna be broke now!
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It's a ****ing disgrace. Davids gets 5 months for testing positive for nandrolone, Stam gets 4. Bosnich gets 9 for testing positive for COCAINE and Rio gets 8 for forgetting to take the test. Don't get me wrong, Rio deserves to get punished and he was totally in the wrong but where's the continuity? Rio passed the test 36 hours later but it's one rule for United and another for the rest.

He's been made a scrape-goat of and because of how high-profile Rio and United are, they've been politically driven in attempt to 'stamp their authority' over the game.

What about the french kid who played for City, that got a fine for practically the same offence. Rio deserved a ban and certainly deserved a fine, but 8 months is totally uncalled for when you compare his offence to others.
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I think you should be thankful its 8 months. Because if it had been less, Blatter would have made it 2 years.
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I think you should be thankful its 8 months. Because if it had been less, Blatter would have made it 2 years.
Blatter is an idiot though.

How you can punish someone who offered to take the test the same day and the FA refused is a joke. He won't get 8 months on appeal. Well done the FA though. You just got rid of your best defender for the European Championships and he probably will not want to represent you ever again now you blatantly fucked him.
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Blatter is an idiot though.

He won't get 8 months on appeal. .
Yeah thats what I think, thats why I reckon they did it, to make it look like they were gunna be really harsh, and then change it to three months. When Spurs got docked 12 points and chucked out the F.A cup they got it all back by appealing.


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You just got rid of your best defender for the European Championships
he has been piss poor. Over rated heap of shit are the words that come to mind.
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I thought Stam was banned for 2 years?
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No he wasn't and nice attempt at engaging in a discussion over this.
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No he wasn't and nice attempt at engaging in a discussion over this.
Thanks

Oh and stop crying about his ban. United will just buy someone else.
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Woeful decision, far far too long.
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Christ, what the fuck is that?

At least we have a few new defenders to look forward to when the transfer window opens, I guess.
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Old 12-20-2003, 04:52 AM   #15
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Won't United just think, oh well, and just go and buy a couple of really good players, making the team even stronger when he returns.

What I think a lot of you are forgetting is that a law of the game has been broken. He missed his test. No excuses needed. How long does it take to do a drugs test? Why should the FA have to stay all day waiting for a player who fucked off to do his own thing. The whole point of Random drugs testing is that it is done there and then, to expose people. It is a serious offence to miss one. Do you think Athletes can get away with it? If an athlete misses a drugs test, regardless of whether he makes up for it, he must expect to recieve a ban, unless cirumstances are such that an excuse warrants the chance to postpone the test. Ferdinand's excuses range from "moving house" to simply "forgetting", excuse me but neither of those seem to be good enough excuses, so he should be punished.

Looking at the rest. Davids and Stam's bans, I can't explain. Were they both playing in Italy at the time? That would explain the length of the bans being so similar, so yes there is continuity. Of course, taking drugs is worse than not taking the test, but this is an issue for the Italian FA, also, I believe that they were not the only people who tested positive at the time, so I'm guessing the Italian FA felt it would be unwise to ban a number of people for a long length of time at the same time. Also, isn't nandrolone a relatively recent drug on the market, i'm not sure about this, but if it was, then the reason for the lower bans is that they could be percieved mearly as a supplement.

The Bosnich situation, again I'm not 100% sure, but what exactly does Cocaine do to the body to make you play better? Also, at the time he didn't have a club, Rio on the other hand is being paid what... 70 grand a week? He'll be fine in the time he's away, and while Bosnich made a lot of money in football, he wont be making any in those 9 months.

You also seem to forget that the "one rule for United, one for everyone else" does apply. Unfortunatly for you, its the first time its worked against Man U.

Also, you talk about "political motivation" "stamping authority" in a high-profile case. I say... good for them. Its about time they told clubs that they can't walk all over the FA, and that rules are there to be adhered to, and not adhered to "when you feel like it".

As for other cases, I'd need to look into them a bit more, but I'm sure they have reasons for certain actions and reasons for others.

Boy, I can't wait to hear Andy Gray's voice on Sunday.
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Won't United just think, oh well, and just go and buy a couple of really good players, making the team even stronger when he returns.

What I think a lot of you are forgetting is that a law of the game has been broken. He missed his test. No excuses needed. How long does it take to do a drugs test?
It can take ages to give a sample for a drug test, Ferdinand has been made an example of and he didn't even take drugs.

I can't wait for blatter to try and stop Man Utd and Rio taking him to court, as if you can say "No i'm not letting you sue me" can anyone say BREECH OF HUMAN RIGHTS


I'd like to see FIFA try and ban the worlds richest club. It'd completely fuck the game up.
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It can take ages to give a sample for a drug test, Ferdinand has been made an example of and he didn't even take drugs.
Sorry but thats bullshit. How long does it take you to take a piss?

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Yeah thats right - because Man U are bigger than football itself.
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Old 12-22-2003, 11:20 AM   #18
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Yeah thats right - because Man U are bigger than football itself.
Exactly, this is what Man Utd seem to think, they seem to believe they are some what above the law. Man Utd are just as at fault as Rio Ferdinand in this whole thing.

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yeah, lol Sid, it's well funny we'll have lost one of 2 decent defenders for Euro 2004

yeah mate yeahhhh well funny.

(Neville was the other good defender btw)
You know something, if Neville turns around and decides not to play for England, he is a disgrace. Same for Ferdinand. If they both end up not playing for England, they don't deserve to play for the country, they are not above England, they are not making a point, they are shitting on England for doing it, and yet this appears to be something people would support. I'm not gonna start a whole argument about it, because everyone has different opinions, but I feel John Terry is better than Rio, and I think Neville is replaceable.

Furthermore, the reason the situation is different from you to footballers, is because clubs are obliged under the rules of the game to ensure that there players adhere to the rules, if they breach the rules, as Ferdinand has, they must expect to be punished. If someone misses a drugs test in most sports it is thus assumed a drug has been consumed, and that person must be reprimanded. What you are basically saying is that, you can miss a drugs test, not be reprimanded, take some drugs, and cheat. Do you wanna see cheating in Football or something?

Also, your analogy of Doctor's appointment doesn't stand up, Doctor's appointments are usually arranged for a reason, such as symptoms that you are concerned about, or an appointment related to a recent injury or surgery where they need to be sure of certain things.

In football, the whole point of Random drugs tests are to catch out someone who may have been cheating.

This whole thing.... I can understand that you might be angry at the length of the ban, but you cannot deny that the player has deliberately missed a drugs test, and this is punishable in some cases with a 2 year ban from the game. The player KNEW he was supposed to take a drugs test, his fellow players TOOK the test, yet he decided to LEAVE the ground. He and Man Utd are both at fault, and he got what he had coming to him, he really is that simple.
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Sorry but thats bullshit. How long does it take you to take a piss?



Yeah thats right - because Man U are bigger than football itself.
Yeah that's why United are pissed eh!

You think any member of G14 is going to sit by and watch FIFA go at Man United? I don't think so! All it takes is for someone to piss them off and every member of G14 quits FIFA and makes their own federation.
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Sorry but thats bullshit. How long does it take you to take a piss?



Yeah thats right - because Man U are bigger than football itself.
Erm i'd like to see you take a piss after training, de-hydration can be a factor with players which is why the test should have been carried out before not after training.

Sepp Blatter seems to think he is bigger than everybody else when in fact these clubs in the G14 can lobby for him to be ousted from the position or as ROB said can break away and form a separate federation. This is the man who was accused of taking bribes only last year for the promise of hosting a world cup. Blatter is not an honerable man and he has no right to say a worldwide ban could be imposed on any team for a matter such as this. Who is he to get involved in the FAs dealings, FIFA maybe the governing body but all the federations that are part of FIFA should be able to run there association as they see fit and well. Manchester United are standing by a player who has done nothing more than forget/fail to take a drugs test, i don't condone this "forgetting" to take a test but the guy did pass one 36 hrs later and probably would have passed it that same day had the FAs people let him come back. Any other team would have had the FA on their side and the FA would not have released the players name. IT IS ONE RULE FOR MAN UTD AND ONE RULE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
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It can take ages to give a sample for a drug test, Ferdinand has been made an example of and he didn't even take drugs.
How long would it take you to piss in a cup?

Seriously it takes less than a week to have a sample checked and results of the test made available. Remember, Rio actually passed his drug test.
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well, thats going to be a blow for England in 2004.

I think the ban is a bit harsh personally, but he was always going to made an example of.
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How can the FA or FIFA justify Rio getting a longer ban than Davids, Stam and Bosnich who all failed tests while Ferdinand actually passed his 36 hours later? How can they justify Rio getting a longer ban than Eric Cantona got for assulting a fan or Paulo Di Canio got for assulting a referee? What about that Man City player who failed to take his test much like Rio and he wasn't banned?

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How can the FA or FIFA justify Rio getting a longer ban than Davids, Stam and Bosnich who all failed tests while Ferdinand actually passed his 36 hours later? How can they justify Rio getting a longer ban than Eric Cantona got for assulting a fan or Paulo Di Canio got for assulting a referee? What about that Man City player who failed to take his test much like Rio and he wasn't banned?

Gonna make it all the sweeter when we win the Premiership now.
For a start, Cantona got a worldwide 9-month ban ( http://www.unitedmanchester.com/spor...-biography.htm ) which is longer than Rio's for you math impaired people.

The fact is that he missed a test. If an athlete like Paula Radcliffe missed a test, imagine the uproar. Why should football be any different? Anyway, its been pretty clear that Palios has been desperate to tighten up the rules since he took over, and Rio was the first one he could get at.

Also, it was obvious that Ferdinand was going to get banned until after the European Championships because there would have been a furore about hypocrisy otherwise.

Rio missed the test, Man Utd didn't remind him, I'm honestly surprised he didn't get a longer ban. If this were any other player I'd expect the same: Drugs are unacceptable and missing a test is completely unacceptable.
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For a start, Cantona got a worldwide 9-month ban ( http://www.unitedmanchester.com/spor...-biography.htm ) which is longer than Rio's for you math impaired people.
For the memory impaired people, Cantona was immediately suspended by Manchester United until the end of that season. They agreed a 5 month ban with the FA and later on, the FA changed their mind after agreeing a deal and also helped him get police conviction.

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The fact is that he missed a test. If an athlete like Paula Radcliffe missed a test, imagine the uproar. Why should football be any different? Anyway, its been pretty clear that Palios has been desperate to tighten up the rules since he took over, and Rio was the first one he could get at.
Football has different rules to Athletics. Just as Baseball, Cricket, Rugby, Basketball and just about every other sport under the sun do. Personally I feel the athletics rules are too severe especially considering how they treated the likes of Mark Richardson and Dougie Walker.

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You mean like there was for Stam, Davids, that Man City player nobody can remember, etc?

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You might expect the same but their aren't concrete rules and that's the problem. It's been a clear case of rules for one person and rules for others. Why did Blatter stick his nose in this case when he didn't for any others? Why were there 3 members of the FA on the 8 man commission deciding the case? Why did it take 3 months to get a ruling?
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You might expect the same but their aren't concrete rules and that's the problem. It's been a clear case of rules for one person and rules for others. Why did Blatter stick his nose in this case when he didn't for any others? Why were there 3 members of the FA on the 8 man commission deciding the case? Why did it take 3 months to get a ruling?
You may think its a case of different rules and they are. THINGS HAVE CHANGED since the Negouai case.

Palios has come in to crack down on drugs. FIFA have said they are going to crack down on drugs.

Added to this was the fact that Rio and Man U refused to accept that they had done wrong. Requesting a personal hearing to lay the blame at the FA's door is not going to endear themselves to the FA. Rio didn't even accept the charge of "the failure or refusal by a player to submit to drug testing as required by a competent official".

HOW THE HELL can he claim that he didn't fail to take a drugs test.

Maybe if he accepted the damn charge, accept his own error and moved on then he wouldnt hhve got such a long ban.
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Maybe the length of the ban is harsh, but at the end of the day, a rule was broken, and this is the precedent that the FA wanted to set.
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Probs a bit harsh but he broke a law.

Rio Ferdinand should take a look at his own stupidity and take the punishment. Man U should take an even bigger look at themselves as they let the guy just walk away from the training ground. Rio should also be grateful he's not in athletics or some other sport as he'd be banned two years no problem. A failure to take the test has to be presumed to be a fail of the test otherwise anyone could just "forget" to take the test.

As for the ban being longer than some other instances the FA will point out that they have a new head, Mark Palios who is trying to reall stamp out drug abuse.

Its not a case of one rule for Manchester Utd and one for everyone else, its a case of one rule for Mark Palios and one rule for the previous head.
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They have just made an example of Rio but it needed to be done. People now should realise that missing a test will not be accepted.

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As a Villa fan and being someone who has a huge hatred for United I've got to say its a bit harsh. I mean he didn't test positive for anything and IMO a suitable punishment would have been a lesser fine ( because even if your loaded its still 50 fúcking grand ) and stringent testing for perhaps a one year perios ( i.e every week he takes a test ).

I don't even think a ban should have come into the equation, it didn't with that City player a while back and his excuse was shíte too if I remember rightly he said he had to give someone a lift from the airport.
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Put yourself in the shoes of a United fan and honestly ask yourself if one of your players had been banned 8 months for such an offence whether you'd be fine with it. Bosnich played for Chelsea when he commited the offence and got fired because of it.

Ferdinand deserved a punishment. He deserved to be fined and he deserved to be banned. The fact is the FA set a precident when they fined the young City player 2k. It's a massive leap and nobody could tell me that if this had happened with a Division 1 player, that the punishment would be the same, the time taken to sentence the player would be 3 months or that the player's name would of even be revealed.

The FA have got their heads up their own arses and playing to Blatter's tune. Ferdinand missing Euro 2004 might just be because the FA didn't want Ferdinand to be representing England in front of Blatter and the entire world. Whatever the case, Rio's punishment is too severe.
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Put yourself in the shoes of a United fan and honestly ask yourself if one of your players had been banned 8 months for such an offence whether you'd be fine with it. Bosnich played for Chelsea when he commited the offence and got fired because of it.
Course I wouldn't be fine with it. I'd wonder why my club could let a player who needed a drug test to just walk away from the training ground.

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The leap is infortunate and I would put it down to the change at the top of the FA. It maybe unfortuntate that Ferdinand came along but it was necessary as drug abuse cannot be tolerated and so punishments should be set to reflect that. As opposed to Ferdinand's being to strict I think it should be seen that Negouai's was way to lax. I don't know whether the punishment would have been the same if it had been a lower profile club, but things have happened as they happened. Once his name broke Rio was always going to be in the shit - but the bottom line is it's his and Man U's fault in the first place.

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Again I would say its unfortunate and probably is harsh but Rio is being made an example of. One thing is for sure drug abusers will think twice now so I guess that is good. Rio and Man U ASWELL as the FA should all take looks at themselves. The root of this problem lies at Rio and Man U feet.
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stringent testing for perhaps a one year perios ( i.e every week he takes a test ).
Agreed - he should be tested as often as possible IMO for the rest of his career. An inconvenience maybe, but it would be suitable and appropriate.
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Blatter has said there will be uprecedented consequences if United fo to court over this.
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I think the ban was too harsh,wasn't there meant to have been a phone call made by Rio anyway on that day saying that he couldn't make it or something?

If United mention the other facts on appeal(i.e Davids,Stam) then he should get off likely,also i read that there's a player in Spain who's continued to play despite having an 18 month ban or something.

And for Blatter to even threaten banning United is a complete disgrace,the worst they can deem it is that the test would be positive and so what was he doing to all those other clubs who've appealed bans for positive drugs tests?
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I think the ban was too harsh,wasn't there meant to have been a phone call made by Rio anyway on that day saying that he couldn't make it or something?
Quite frankly so what? There's something more important than a drug test in sport? Er no there isn't Rio sorry. First it was moving house then he forgot - not only shit excuses but he couldn't even settle on one.

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If United mention the other facts on appeal(i.e Davids,Stam) then he should get off likely,also i read that there's a player in Spain who's continued to play despite having an 18 month ban or something.

And for Blatter to even threaten banning United is a complete disgrace,the worst they can deem it is that the test would be positive and so what was he doing to all those other clubs who've appealed bans for positive drugs tests?
Blatter is being a bit of an arse over it all. For all you saying that Rio didn't take anything IT DOESN'T MATTER, A failure to take the test has to be a fail of the test. Besides drugs like Cocaine are free from your body within 24 hours so the timing is all important. Rio is being made an example of there's no doubt about that but perhaps thats a good thing - people will think twice about drug abuse now.

If you want sports free of drugs drug testing has to mean something.
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yeah, lol Sid, it's well funny we'll have lost one of 2 decent defenders for Euro 2004

yeah mate yeahhhh well funny.

(Neville was the other good defender btw)
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I just missed my doctors appointment
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Imagine the uproar if Rio Ferdinand missed his doctors appointment.

appointment was for a drugs test btw.
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