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Old 08-21-2012, 12:19 AM   #1
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Is it really a good idea for WWE to rely on children for their ratings?
Think about this... these kids probably only watch the show for John Cena, and could give a shit less about the rest of it, let alone, probably don't even understand what's going on during the show outside of Cena doing his 5 moves of doom if that. What happens when John Cena disappears, like a life-threatening injury that eventually forces him to retire? Will the kids stay to watch the remainder of the show they don't get? Wait for Brodus's match to come up? Or are they gonna turn Punk into... into... this?

If they have a backup plan for this scenario, what would it be?

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Old 08-21-2012, 12:21 AM   #2
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They don't only watch the show for Cena any more than any of us watch the show for our favorite guy. Stop with thiiiiis.
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Old 08-21-2012, 12:24 AM   #3
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Think about it. You build up your young fanbase now, and going into the future it's more than likely they will remain fans as adults, and then pass on the wrestling torch to their children, and so on and so forth.
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I don't know about you, but when I was a kid I wasn't a huge retard. I could root for more than one guy.
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I don't know about you, but when I was a kid I wasn't a huge retard. I could root for more than one guy.
I didn't start watching until 1998, and I watched it for the WHOLE show, but there were three people who brought me into it- Stone Cold, the Undertaker, the Road Warriors, but primarily it was Mike Tyson because I didn't know of too many wrestlers at the time (I knew alot about Tyson though). I was flipping back and forth between WWF and WCW (until WCW went to shit), and here I am... my favorites gone, and trying to make new ones.
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I don't know about you, but when I was a kid I wasn't a huge retard. I could root for more than one guy.


yeah I hate how kiddie wrasslin fans are treated like window lickers

Like "why would they bring back Goldberg nobody would know who he is"

Well I started watchin wrasslin in 98 but I still knew who Savage, Andre the Giant and shit were, with Youtube and that now its even easier.

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Yeah, but it's also shown that this tactic almost drove WWE bankrupt once before, so they shifted towards a more radical approach. And even though they were fans of the people in their time, that doesn't mean those people will still be there when they become adults. I'm not even as much of a fan as I used to be after all my favorite superstars disappeared, hell, almost ALL of the superstars from my time are gone. Big Show, Jericho, Kane, Christian, and Triple H are the only ones left and I know they don't have much longer wrestling for the company.
What I am getting to is that this PG thing can't go on forever, I know this has been over-posted, but this is regarding what would happen if Cena really is gone. In the current mold of the company, Cena's segments always hit big ratings and are usually (not always, but usually) the ones that do.
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Yeah, but it's also shown that this tactic almost drove WWE bankrupt once before, so they shifted towards a more radical approach. And even though they were fans of the people in their time, that doesn't mean those people will still be there when they become adults. I'm not even as much of a fan as I used to be after all my favorite superstars disappeared, hell, almost ALL of the superstars from my time are gone. Big Show, Jericho, Kane, Christian, and Triple H are the only ones left and I know they don't have much longer wrestling for the company.
What I am getting to is that this PG thing can't go on forever, I know this has been over-posted, but this is regarding what would happen if Cena really is gone. In the current mold of the company, Cena's segments always hit big ratings and are usually (not always, but usually) the ones that do.
What group of viewers have stayed with the product for the past 15-20 years? The ones they catered to in the early 90s. All the Attitude Era casual fans don't watch anymore.
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What group of viewers have stayed with the product for the past 15-20 years? The ones they catered to in the early 90s. All the Attitude Era casual fans don't watch anymore.
But even alot of those viewers from the early nineties never came back, because their favorite superstars never came back. Also comes the responsibilities of adult life that interfere with viewership of the old days (job, kids, wife, financial problems), so it's not to so easy to think they could just keep watching.
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In fact, when I was a kid, I watched EVERYTHING on the show. I certainly wasn't going onto the internet and posting "ZZZZZZZZ BRB PISS BREAK!!!" I enjoyed everything.

So yeah, I would probably want to cater to fans like that.
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In fact, when I was a kid, I watched EVERYTHING on the show. I certainly wasn't going onto the internet and posting "ZZZZZZZZ BRB PISS BREAK!!!" I enjoyed everything.

So yeah, I would probably want to cater to fans like that.
Seriously. If I only watched the show for Hogan when I was a kid, I would have never watched free TV.
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Me too! I used to love watching Sable, no matter who she was fighting. I loved Luna too, cuz she was a freak! Now, they just throw a bunch of models in the ring instead of wrestlers... kinda lame.
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Me too! I used to love watching Sable, no matter who she was fighting... Now, they just throw a bunch of models in the ring instead of wrestlers... kinda lame.
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Yes, I know Sable is pretty much a model too, but they didn't have dozens of them without storylines randomly fighting matches leading to a whole lot of nothing. Sable had a really good storyline in her prime, and ontop of that, models were a rarity during that time.
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Old 08-21-2012, 01:42 AM   #19
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They need women to have storylines with the guys that don't force them into having to wrestle to get on TV and build their character.

Women's wrestling is a gimmick. There shouldn't be more than one match/segment revolving around women's wrestling. That being said, there needs to be a way to get them all on TV and keep them in the limelight while they aren't wrestling. More of them need to be aligned with a male wrestler in some way to keep them relevant.
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Old 08-21-2012, 01:48 AM   #20
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I agree with that! Sable never had more than one match or segment outside of a preparation for a match sometime in the night, but they didn't happen often. The thing that made her popular was her feud with Marc Mero, so yeah, having an altercation or a dramatic relationship with a male wrestler is their best bet to get viewers.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:39 AM   #21
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No, cos most kids at this generation had no idea of the WWE legends lifespan in the industry that keep showing up and beating Heath Slater in his matches anyway. So yeah, they're like the Cenation justin bieber generation to me.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:49 AM   #22
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I watched Summerslam and I don't think the PG stuff harms the product. I thought it was a good show and I was impressed with some of the matches, but when I think back to the Attitude era it was a constant stream of stupid shite.

They do need to look at hiring more interesting women.
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:36 AM   #23
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This is a ridiculous thread. How stupid exactly do you think kids are? When you were a kid could you only concentrate on one wrestler and then "not even understand what's going on during the show" outside of that? And yes, catering to a younger audience is what's best for them business-wise.
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Old 08-21-2012, 09:02 AM   #25
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Well I respect everyone's opinion here, whatever WWE is doing at the moment isn't exactly working.
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Well I respect everyone's opinion here, whatever WWE is doing at the moment isn't exactly working.
Yes it is, you moron.
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Yes it is, you moron.
Oh I'm the moron? Then explain to me how dropping ratings and lack of interest in the product qualifies as 'working'. Don't give me that WWE fanboy crap. It doesn't work anymore. They still find a way to make money sure. That's because they know how, but it doesn't change the other numbers.
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Oh I'm the moron? Then explain to me how dropping ratings and lack of interest in the product qualifies as 'working'. Don't give me that WWE fanboy crap. It doesn't work anymore. They still find a way to make money sure. That's because they know how, but it doesn't change the other numbers.
It's a business. Making money in a business equals being successful. They just broke a record for their Wrestlemania PPV. Ratings have been pretty steady for the last few years.
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I'm betting more than one guy on the show was marketed to you, too.

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Yeah, but it's also shown that this tactic almost drove WWE bankrupt once before, so they shifted towards a more radical approach. And even though they were fans of the people in their time, that doesn't mean those people will still be there when they become adults. I'm not even as much of a fan as I used to be after all my favorite superstars disappeared, hell, almost ALL of the superstars from my time are gone. Big Show, Jericho, Kane, Christian, and Triple H are the only ones left and I know they don't have much longer wrestling for the company.
What I am getting to is that this PG thing can't go on forever, I know this has been over-posted, but this is regarding what would happen if Cena really is gone. In the current mold of the company, Cena's segments always hit big ratings and are usually (not always, but usually) the ones that do.
The PG thing can go on forever. The question is, will it? The answer: probably. In the meanwhile, WWE is making fucktons of money and keeping ratings relatively stable. So what reason is there to change? Because you don't like it? Because of your falsely inflated notion of what does and doesn't go over with people? Because ponies?
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But will he outpop DX?



I'm betting more than one guy on the show was marketed to you, too.



The PG thing can go on forever. The question is, will it? The answer: probably. In the meanwhile, WWE is making fucktons of money and keeping ratings relatively stable. So what reason is there to change? Because you don't like it? Because of your falsely inflated notion of what does and doesn't go over with people? Because ponies?
Relatively stable? Relative to what? A month ago? They now struggle to keep a freakin 3! Wake up already and look at the stats. It's been steadily declining for years.
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Old 08-22-2012, 03:18 AM   #32
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Relatively stable? Relative to what? A month ago? They now struggle to keep a freakin 3! Wake up already and look at the stats. It's been steadily declining for years.
I don't know if you've actually looked "at the stats," but Raw has been at roughly the same rating point for the last few years now. It has not been steadily declining. It fluctuates during certain sporting events and other major times, but it always did.

But I am curious as to how you think they would appeal to another demographic. It's not going to be the dudebros who are busy with MMA, or reality TV. So who? The smark community? Should they turn it into a weekly episodic drama mirroring the current lineup on Network? Perhaps a Fox News clone with pro wrestling?
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Old 08-21-2012, 12:05 PM   #33
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If they're making money, then it's working.
This thread is suppose to be about the ratings though. And I'll be the one to say here that it's probably a matter of time before they have a difficult time making money. You know...kind of like I said here in this very forum ten years ago that the product was gonna tank and everyone thought I was nuts. Go ahead and call me a moron but I end up being right anyway.
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Old 08-21-2012, 12:10 PM   #34
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This thread is suppose to be about the ratings though. And I'll be the one to say here that it's probably a matter of time before they have a difficult time making money. You know...kind of like I said here in this very forum ten years ago that the product was gonna tank and everyone thought I was nuts. Go ahead and call me a moron but I end up being right anyway.
As long as they get Cena and Rey to pass on the "kid-friendly wrestlers" to the generation after them and they do the same, etc. and promote them all with colorful, kid-friendly merchandise, WWE will never have a hard time making that $$$, since parents won't say no to their kids when they ask for the new John Cena shirt AND wristbands AND armbands AND hat.

In short, WWE will be around long after every current member on these boards is dead and gone.
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As long as they get Cena and Rey to pass on the "kid-friendly wrestlers" to the generation after them and they do the same, etc. and promote them all with colorful, kid-friendly merchandise, WWE will never have a hard time making that $$$, since parents won't say no to their kids when they ask for the new John Cena shirt AND wristbands AND armbands AND hat.

In short, WWE will be around long after every current member on these boards is dead and gone.
K....I'll be back in five years to say I told ya so. If they do make money, it's going to progressively become less and less, relative to the popularity of WWE, but it wouldn't surprise me if it falls off more than that. What's worse is that there isn't another company that can stand financially on its own without worrying about the WWE's popularity. TNA has to depend on them in way because they're mostly responsible for the business in general doing well or poorly. If WWE falls off the map, it would take a HUGE company (like a WCW) to help the business.

You know it's not like I want them to fail. It's just that the numbers and the general consensus are telling me that they aren't doing well.
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K....I'll be back in five years to say I told ya so. If they do make money, it's going to progressively become less and less, relative to the popularity of WWE, but it wouldn't surprise me if it falls off more than that. What's worse is that there isn't another company that can stand financially on its own without worrying about the WWE's popularity. TNA has to depend on them in way because they're mostly responsible for the business in general doing well or poorly. If WWE falls off the map, it would take a HUGE company (like a WCW) to help the business.

You know it's not like I want them to fail. It's just that the numbers and the general consensus are telling me that they aren't doing well.
I'll bite on this.

What should the WWE be doing then to "turn this failing business around".
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Kids have always been the majority of the fanbase for the WWE or at least when they needed to redevelop the base for the future.

If anything is to blame, its the very short term thinking the WWE has since every few years they end up in the same situation of needing to have new stars but wasted all the previous time doing nothing about it. Just like the WWF was too reliant on Hogan, the WWE is the same with Cena to the point if anything happens to him, they don't have an actual Plan B since no current wrestler is equal to the status and value Cena is right now.
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Just throwing this out there. The ratings were once consistently twice as high as they are now. Let's not confuse having steady ratings with "They're set and have no reason to change anything." Being successful is not a cut and dry thing. They could drop a full rating point over night and still be one of the highest rated shows on cable. I'd still say they need to try to improve things.
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Just throwing this out there. The ratings were once consistently twice as high as they are now. Let's not confuse having steady ratings with "They're set and have no reason to change anything." Being successful is not a cut and dry thing. They could drop a full rating point over night and still be one of the highest rated shows on cable. I'd still say they need to try to improve things.
And how many wrestling fans are just downloading or streaming the show now, as opposed to the old days?
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