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Old 09-29-2013, 12:41 PM   #1
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Bret Hart's book
So I searched for a thread about the book and the only one I could find was done by Zeeboe and nobody even really discussed the book and I don't really want to post in a Zeeboe thread, it's too distracting.

Who read it? And who liked it? I enjoyed it thoroughly. It was fucking dark as hell and really sad but probably the most interesting wrestling read I've had. Brutally honest, and the Hart family is even more fucked than I had figured, though not that much more.

Bret is humble and yet into himself a lot at the same time, he's just self assured I guess and a little bitter, but I take him for his word. I'd say the most interesting part of the read was between the beginning of his Hart foundation run up until before the Screwjob because it's all been rehashed so much.

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Old 09-29-2013, 12:56 PM   #2
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Bret is not remotely humble. That being said, I've stated before the Hart's as just as messed up as the Von Erich's.
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:16 PM   #3
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Naw, my Hogan was 1000x bigger
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Hart is the most self-absorbed there is, the most self-absorbed there was, and the most self-absorbed there ever will be.
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Hart is the most self-absorbed there is, the most self-absorbed there was, and the most self-absorbed there ever will be.
Behind Warrior and Hogan he's probably the biggest mark for himself in the history of the business.
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Behind Warrior and Hogan he's probably the biggest mark for himself in the history of the business.
That helps explain why Hogan and Hart vs. Warrior and Sting only went five minutes in WCW. None of them except Sting wanted to sell for the others!
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I disagree for one reason. On one of the Legends of Wrestling roundtable discussions (forget which one exactly) Flair says point blank "I was never as big a star as Hulk Hogan." Something I doubt Bret or Warrior would ever say so bluntly.
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I like Bret Hart but he is the worst when it comes to sucking his own cock. Self absorbed isn't even the words...
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I like Bret Hart but he is the worst when it comes to sucking his own cock. Self absorbed isn't even the words...
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ON THUNDER..... wasnt that the night warrior was in the mirror and hogan was going nuts.
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ON THUNDER..... wasnt that the night warrior was in the mirror and hogan was going nuts.
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A great wrestler but the man bragged about cheating on his wife. At least he said he'd probably go to hell for doing so. The funny part he tried to get her back .
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Good observation about the match being on Thunder.
I was aiming more to the fact they wasted it on thunder but apparently it was on Nitro...
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Bret Hart isn't even top 10 in the greatest ever.
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Bret Hart isn't even top 10 in the greatest ever.
Debatable.
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Debatable.
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The man was certainly proud of his own work in the wrestling ring, and when it came to that world he was certainly arrogant and a big mark for himself, and to be honest I totally would be too. I believe in the rest of his life he was pretty honest and did the best he could. He never bragged about the cheating, he more stated it as a way to deal with being on the road.
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1. Hogan
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3. Rock
4. Austin
5. Flair
6. Rhodes
7. HBK
8. Taker
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i see a discrepancy gertner
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Bret was a master at making a match seem like a real contest. When you watched his matches you got lost in it and didn't care about "the show" just the drama of the matchn, the ups and downs, the comebacks, the nearfalls, the intensity. There was rarely a Hitman match where I personally wasn't captivated. I'd always love when he'd hit his 5 moves of doom personally, because he only did them when he got on a roll, and the fans knew it was almost time for the sharpshooter.
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and he was right that he woulda out popped Hogan at Summerslam '93. Not because he was the bigger star, and not because he was better or going to be more iconic than Hogan, but because Hogan at that point was losing some steam and Bret was the underdog and a babyface who'd been working his ass off, which I feel like at the time would have been more indentifiable. At that point if you watch ANYTHING, Bret was crazy over. Not to say he was Hogan in his prime over, but at that point, put the two against one another with the new underdog champ against the front runner Hogan, and Bret would have outpopped him.

... and that was the point Bret was trying to make. He always gave Hogan his props as a performer from what I could read. That's what I mean when I say there are bits and pieces of humbleness in the Hitman. He was just fucking pissed that Hogan didn't give him the rub, while Bret was slaving and toiling trying to keep the company afloat.
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It pains me to say it since Bret Hart is a fellow Canadian, and I absolutely LOVED him growing up (tremendous tremendous wrestler.......regardless of what anyone says), but the fact of the matter is that Bret Hart is a very bitter and very petty human being. He simply won't let go of anything. Period.

His continued attacks on Hogan, Triple H, Eric Bischoff, etc., are just flat out childish.

It's too bad that Bret chooses to be this way. I think if Bret really took time to think about his conduct, he'd realize that the only person that he hurts by doing this kind of stuff is himself. He's literally "attracting" negativity into his life by constantly holding ill feelings towards others.
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It pains me to say it since Bret Hart is a fellow Canadian, and I absolutely LOVED him growing up (tremendous tremendous wrestler.......regardless of what anyone says), but the fact of the matter is that Bret Hart is a very bitter and very petty human being. He simply won't let go of anything. Period.

His continued attacks on Hogan, Triple H, Eric Bischoff, etc., are just flat out childish.

It's too bad that Bret chooses to be this way. I think if Bret really took time to think about his conduct, he'd realize that the only person that he hurts by doing this kind of stuff is himself. He's literally "attracting" negativity into his life by constantly holding ill feelings towards others.
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It pains me to say it since Bret Hart is a fellow Canadian, and I absolutely LOVED him growing up (tremendous tremendous wrestler.......regardless of what anyone says), but the fact of the matter is that Bret Hart is a very bitter and very petty human being. He simply won't let go of anything. Period.

His continued attacks on Hogan, Triple H, Eric Bischoff, etc., are just flat out childish.

It's too bad that Bret chooses to be this way. I think if Bret really took time to think about his conduct, he'd realize that the only person that he hurts by doing this kind of stuff is himself. He's literally "attracting" negativity into his life by constantly holding ill feelings towards others.
Honestly, his arrogance cannot be denied, but everyone just thinks that he's bitter and blah blah blah. Fact is, he just says what he thinks. He thinks Hogan's a douche (which a lot of us do), he thinks HHH is a GOOD wrestler but not a wrestling god and that Bischoff is kind of an idiot. These are all commonly voiced opinions. He doesn't get bent out of shape when he says that stuff, he says it as an opinion. He's a lot like Don Cherry, in that he speaks his mind, whatever he feels in that moment in time. And that has nothing to do with him as a performer anyways.
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Haha Flair beats Bret in that regard. Good lord.
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HBK has moved on, and he was AWFUL during his heyday. Cornette has some gems about Shawn in his Timeline 1997 DVD.
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HBK has moved on, and he was AWFUL during his heyday.
More importantly for this discussion, he'll tell you so.
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Bret has moved on as well though. And honestly, you have your brother die due to straight up gross negligence and have a stroke, and honestly watch all of your friends die tragically and not have a bit of an edge to you.

Look, it is what it is. You can say what you like about him, but Bret's done quite well for himself financially (unlike a bunch of guys who are still working to constantly pay off debt) and is not afraid to speak his mind. He's MORE than made up with Shawn, they'll never be besties but they're cool with one another. He's also made up with Vince. But Bret since the beginning has always been like this. He doesn't take it lying down from Vince.
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Bret has moved on as well though.
I really don't see it. Watch the Bret vs Shawn DVD some time. He's seriously holding on to a lot of the "I was totally right" mentality in a lot of ways.
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Uh yes Bret would definitely say that.
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Well that's because he thinks he was right. He's cool with Shawn, he does not hate the guy. He just thinks he was fucking right.
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This isn't about the screwjob and who was right and who was wrong. It's about how the guy feels. He feels he was right and he was wronged and that will never change.
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