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Old 10-21-2004, 01:03 PM   #1
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The "Shut up you Sheep!" Thread
Ok, here's my idea.

Although there are some generalized assumptions around here, like the fact that Kane is being underused right now, or that Jericho is the best thing since sliced bread, not everyone agrees with these assumptions. The problem is that sometimes these discussions that arise are usually one sided, and those people who have different positions are usually ignored or persecuted for their opinions. For example: Yet another "You screwed Bret" thread has started and Joe Schmo feels that indeed Bret screwed Bret, but because his rep is low already, he doesn't want to make any enemies here and stays silent while the fuming masses come to the conclusion that those who even spell Bret's name wrong should be taken out and shot.

SO that's where this thread comes in. If you feel like Kane is worthless and deserves what he's getting, say so with good reason. If you think Bret screwed Bret, say so with good reason. If you like the way Vince is handling things, say so with good reason.

I only ask that those of you who have different opinions do NOT bad rep anyone because of it. Trolls you can bad rep the shit out of though....I could care less.

Have at ya...
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Old 10-21-2004, 01:13 PM   #2
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Steve Austin wasn't all that great.

He was a fine enough technical wrestler early in his career, but his "swear-a-lot-and-stun-people" gimmick got really old really fast, and I was sick of him before the end of 1998. After his neck injury, he couldn't carry a match, and his promos became less and less (what?) entertaining. He picked up again during the Invasion angle, but even then, he had Kurt Angle and Vince McMahon to play off of. When he returned to his "old Stone Cold" self, he went right back to being the least entertaining thing in wrestling.

Whenever his name is mentioned among the all-time greats, I roll my eyes. Yes, he was good for business and, yes, he was an "everyman hero," but this is such a case of "right place, right time" it's not even funny.

So, in conclusion, Steve Austin was boring and a bad wrestler.
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Old 10-21-2004, 01:50 PM   #3
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The rate a wrestler threads are a really good idea, yet some wrestlers get way to high a score in some cases:

Owen Hart, dont get me wrong I loved Owen Hart, he was a great performer and all round wrestler, yet didn't deserve the such high score he had. Alot of the vote may have been for Owen's unfortunate death.

Also, Ted DeBiase getting the same score as Owen, which yes in my opinion was high but doesn't deserve to be so high in the rankings.
I think people overate DeBiase as being 'The greatest wrestler never to be Heavyweight Champion'.

Then again, this is my opinion and the rate a wrestler thread is other peoples opinions.

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Old 10-21-2004, 01:53 PM   #4
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Steve Austin wasn't all that great.

He was a fine enough technical wrestler early in his career, but his "swear-a-lot-and-stun-people" gimmick got really old really fast, and I was sick of him before the end of 1998. After his neck injury, he couldn't carry a match, and his promos became less and less (what?) entertaining. He picked up again during the Invasion angle, but even then, he had Kurt Angle and Vince McMahon to play off of. When he returned to his "old Stone Cold" self, he went right back to being the least entertaining thing in wrestling.

Whenever his name is mentioned among the all-time greats, I roll my eyes. Yes, he was good for business and, yes, he was an "everyman hero," but this is such a case of "right place, right time" it's not even funny.

So, in conclusion, Steve Austin was boring and a bad wrestler.
I agree wholeheartedly.

I hated Austin with a passion. I celebrated when he left.
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Old 10-21-2004, 02:05 PM   #5
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Austin.
What to say about Austin.
At first the gimick was cool, then it got old. It got real old at the end.
He had the charsima that won over the crowd.
I didn't like watching him in the ring. He was boring. It was kind of cool though when he stunnered some looser who deserved it though. However I was always like "Not Steve again!"

Bret. I am just so sick of still listening to him whine about it all.
He was leaving the WWF. He was in a match with Shawn. From what I understand happened originally it was written where he was going to win the match, then Vince decided that he couldn't leave with the belt, then Shawn was supposed to win. Then Vince said the hell with it and let them fight it out in the ring and whoever won won. If that is the case, no one screwed Bret and he needs to get over himself. Maybe he is just pissed that Shawn stripped naked after winnin the belt and was invited to do Playgirl and he wasn't. LOL

Hulk Hogan was over rated. The man made it on charisma. I really hated him in the early 90's late 80's. Take your Hulk Hogan vitamins and you will be strong and big like me. Freaking hypocrite was doing 'roids.

Chris Jerichos hair cut sucks.
I hope that all his wrestling talent isn't in his hair and he is going to suck now.

Edge isn't given enough credit (I am not saying he is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he is under rated). However, since him and Christians 10 second poses he has been kind of boring.

Kane's gimick works for him but I am sick of him. His storylines get stupid fast, I am sick of the big guys being in there just because they are big, and therefore have the right to kick everyones ass.

Ok, I think I am done for the moment.
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Old 10-21-2004, 03:17 PM   #6
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Nathan Jones was a huge loss to the WWE.

He had the look, the presence, the entrance, the character.

I don't care that he couldn't really wrestle, with that look you should be able to get away with destroying people every week with little actual wrestling involved.
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Old 10-23-2004, 08:47 PM   #7
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Nathan Jones was a huge loss to the WWE.

He had the look, the presence, the entrance, the character.

I don't care that he couldn't really wrestle, with that look you should be able to get away with destroying people every week with little actual wrestling involved.
I agree, most people said that Nathan Jones sucks at a wrestler but everyone knows that before he quit WWE, Nathan Jones was improving in his wrestling skills and he was getting better. I thought Nathan Jones was always cool. He had a cool look for a wrestler and had tons of potential. If Nathan Jones was still around WWE, I'm sure he'd be main eventing by now. He'd be a cool addition to Evolution.
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Old 10-23-2004, 09:45 PM   #8
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I agree, most people said that Nathan Jones sucks at a wrestler but everyone knows that before he quit WWE, Nathan Jones was improving in his wrestling skills and he was getting better. I thought Nathan Jones was always cool. He had a cool look for a wrestler and had tons of potential. If Nathan Jones was still around WWE, I'm sure he'd be main eventing by now. He'd be a cool addition to Evolution.
i'm Australian....and i hafta disagree.
the few times i saw nathan jones, he was pathetic IMO.

at SS, he got back into the ring too early and instead of breaking the pin, he just stood there until matt morgan was pinned
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Old 10-25-2004, 12:27 PM   #9
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Bret. I am just so sick of still listening to him whine about it all.
He was leaving the WWF. He was in a match with Shawn. From what I understand happened originally it was written where he was going to win the match, then Vince decided that he couldn't leave with the belt, then Shawn was supposed to win. Then Vince said the hell with it and let them fight it out in the ring and whoever won won. If that is the case, no one screwed Bret and he needs to get over himself. Maybe he is just pissed that Shawn stripped naked after winnin the belt and was invited to do Playgirl and he wasn't. LOL
All I'm going to say to that is
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Old 10-25-2004, 12:35 PM   #10
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Bret. I am just so sick of still listening to him whine about it all. He was leaving the WWF. He was in a match with Shawn. From what I understand happened originally it was written where he was going to win the match, then Vince decided that he couldn't leave with the belt, then Shawn was supposed to win. Then Vince said the hell with it and let them fight it out in the ring and whoever won won. If that is the case, no one screwed Bret and he needs to get over himself. Maybe he is just pissed that Shawn stripped naked after winnin the belt and was invited to do Playgirl and he wasn't. LOL
First, Vince and Bret agreed the match would end in a DQ Finish. Why do you think HHH came down there? Bret was suppossed to reverse HBK's sharpshooter and then HHH and Chyna were suppossed to run out. Then the Harts were going to run out.

Second, no, he's not pissed about Shawn stripping naked.
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Old 10-21-2004, 04:41 PM   #11
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I think bret hart is overrated because I saw him in WCW and he didn't look so spactacular.
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Old 10-21-2004, 05:41 PM   #12
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Old 10-21-2004, 05:45 PM   #13
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Undertaker is the man and should get the WWE title.

Honestly if there is one man who should pull backstage power, it's him. How many feuds in his stretch with WWF/E have been abismal. Kama, Kamala, now Heidenreich. He is the ultimate team player, not leaving Vince when the company was down, and sticking out a gimmick that only he could make work. Taker has evolved himself over the years, adding new moves to his set (like the submission stuff he's added for the last few years).
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Old 10-21-2004, 06:35 PM   #14
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I'm gonig to go over some topics alreayd disgusted in this thread.

Stone Cold Steve Austin
I've neve rbeen a fan of Stone Cold but I've always preferred him over The Rock. Let me just say, I hated his non-wrestling roles. Co-GM was just a fairly bland idea. What I liked about the Austin character was that he stepped it up in the ring, or in the back, but when it came down to it, he could be a nice guy (hence his friendship with Jim Ross). His complete violence driven persona as a non-wrestler really bugged me. It just didn't seem right. I even forgot he was a part of the WWE at one stage. When he road out on his quad I remember thinking almost every week "Oh yeah, Stone Cold's on RAW".

The only thing I can see for Austin back in the WWE is a run as SmackDown!'s Commissioner under Teddy Long, a full-time wrestler (which sadly, isn't gonig to happen) or as a one or two time appearance putting over someone like Shelton Benjamin as a top guy (much like he did when Benjamin first appeared on RAW). Maybe Edge could get the Stone Cold honours? I can see the reaction for Edge being turned right around just by Austin saying "You're right, you do deserve this, so take this.". I would then mark out if Edge Speared Austin and walked up the ramp, and Austin smiled knowing the torch has been successfully passed.

Kane
I love the Kane character. I would mark out of he got pushing into the RAW main event feud on RAW. Sadly, I don't think that is gonig to happen. One thing I dislike about this Kane situation is how people are upset he's losing to a "piece-of-trash" in Gene Snitsky. Yet how many people have made Kane bleed? How many have straight out kicked his ass? How many have put him on a stretcher. Hopefully we see Kane return with nothing to do with Gene Snitsky. Hopefully we see Kane go back to original monster Kane in the main event, and Snitsky do hisown thing. Kane gave this guy a bigger rub than what he would have gotten if he beat Triple H for the title. What Snitsky has become will follow him for the rest of his career, that's something that a win can never get him. When I look back on all of Kane's matches now, I'm gonig ot be thinking about the damage Snitsky could have done here.

Kane should be given props for putting over Snitsky to "Human Kane" and I hope we never see "Human Kane" again because of it. BTW, image how effective a Kane/Snitsky tag team would be. In closing Snitsky has not only been given the ball to run with, he is the ball, and where ever he goes, there shouldn't be anything but attention on him.
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Old 10-23-2004, 08:52 PM   #15
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I love the Kane character. I would mark out of he got pushing into the RAW main event feud on RAW. Sadly, I don't think that is gonig to happen. One thing I dislike about this Kane situation is how people are upset he's losing to a "piece-of-trash" in Gene Snitsky. Yet how many people have made Kane bleed? How many have straight out kicked his ass? How many have put him on a stretcher. Hopefully we see Kane return with nothing to do with Gene Snitsky. Hopefully we see Kane go back to original monster Kane in the main event, and Snitsky do hisown thing. Kane gave this guy a bigger rub than what he would have gotten if he beat Triple H for the title. What Snitsky has become will follow him for the rest of his career, that's something that a win can never get him. When I look back on all of Kane's matches now, I'm gonig ot be thinking about the damage Snitsky could have done here.

Kane should be given props for putting over Snitsky to "Human Kane" and I hope we never see "Human Kane" again because of it. BTW, image how effective a Kane/Snitsky tag team would be. In closing Snitsky has not only been given the ball to run with, he is the ball, and where ever he goes, there shouldn't be anything but attention on him.[/QUOTE]

I've always been a fan of Kane and I agree with everything posted above. Good post.

As stupid as hell Kane's storyline's are, he's good at getting other stars over.
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Undertaker is the man and should get the WWE title.

Honestly if there is one man who should pull backstage power, it's him. How many feuds in his stretch with WWF/E have been abismal. Kama, Kamala, now Heidenreich. He is the ultimate team player, not leaving Vince when the company was down, and sticking out a gimmick that only he could make work. Taker has evolved himself over the years, adding new moves to his set (like the submission stuff he's added for the last few years).
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Kane is the most overrated talent in the WWE right now.

Vince screwed Bret and that's that.

Bret is still a fucking legend.

Owen Hart AND Ted DiBiase deserved world title runs.

Taker should quit the business immediately.

Steve Austin deserves all the credit he gets because he was the major factor in turning around pro wrestling in the 90's. Awesome worker and gave his all night in, night out.

Chris Jericho deserves a run with the WWE title. I'd go as far as saying he, not the Internet poster boy Randolph Orton, should be main eventing next years Mania with HHH.
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Oh and as much as I hate to admit it, words just can't describe just how awesome I think Shawn Michaels has been since his comeback.
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Oh and as much as I hate to admit it, words just can't describe just how awesome I think Shawn Michaels has been since his comeback.
I couldn't agree more. Shawn has been remarkable.
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Bret should have done the job to HBK at Survivor Series.
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I totally agree. I was waiting for Savior to mention it, but he didn't. Seriously...after what happened to the women's championship getting thrown in the trash on live tv, what the hell do you think Vince was thinking? You think he'd just trust Bret to mount the thing on the wall as a nice keepsake? He knew damn well that Bischoff was gonna have him do the exact same thing with the WWE title as what he made Madusa do to the women's title. Bret's ego was just too damn big to do what was right for the company, and nobody sees it. Sure he was a good wrestler, but frankly I think the great "screwjob of 97" was just vince's way of defending his company.
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I totally agree. I was waiting for Savior to mention it, but he didn't. Seriously...after what happened to the women's championship getting thrown in the trash on live tv, what the hell do you think Vince was thinking? You think he'd just trust Bret to mount the thing on the wall as a nice keepsake? He knew damn well that Bischoff was gonna have him do the exact same thing with the WWE title as what he made Madusa do to the women's title. Bret's ego was just too damn big to do what was right for the company, and nobody sees it. Sure he was a good wrestler, but frankly I think the great "screwjob of 97" was just vince's way of defending his company.
Morons like you piss me off. Check the facts. Bret Hart was under contract to the World Wrestling Federation for 4 more weeks. He couldn't go to WCW even if he really wanted to. Why do you think he never immediately showed up even aftrer Montreal when EVERYONE wanted to see him?

And if you think Bret Hart would throw the WWF title in a bin then God help you.
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Old 10-22-2004, 03:14 AM   #23
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Morons like you piss me off. Check the facts. Bret Hart was under contract to the World Wrestling Federation for 4 more weeks. He couldn't go to WCW even if he really wanted to. Why do you think he never immediately showed up even aftrer Montreal when EVERYONE wanted to see him?

And if you think Bret Hart would throw the WWF title in a bin then God help you.
bret wouldnt do it.
but surely, Bischoff would if he had half a chance?
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bret wouldnt do it.
but surely, Bischoff would if he had half a chance?
Bischoff was sued when Madusa threw the womens title in the bin. WWF lost a lawsuit when they had the NWA title on WWF TV claiming it was the WCW title. Bischoff would never have risked a lawsuit. And as far as history goes, I'd trust Eric Bischoff's word LONG before I'd trust Vinnie Mac's.

And how is it that everyone seems to forget that Ric Flair showed up on the oppositions TV with the world title and then got upset when people thought Bret Hart would do the same?
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People should get over Montreal.
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Old 10-21-2004, 06:52 PM   #26
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Old 10-21-2004, 06:51 PM   #27
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Edge without Christian or feuding with guys like Eddie or Angle who can carry feuds is a very boring wrestler. He is very average in the ring and his spear sucks big time. He is nothing special at all on the mic and right now I just can't stand him.
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Old 10-21-2004, 06:56 PM   #28
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Hardcore Holly is an untalented piece of shit and should only be used on Velocity, if used at all.

The guy is getting world title shots, when there are much more credible people who deserve it like Eddie Guerrero, Kurt Angle, and Rey Mysterio. Holly is very stale in the ring and ceases to impress. I feel he is only being used because the regular WWE fan loves him.
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Old 10-21-2004, 07:06 PM   #29
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I hate A.J. Style and Ron Killings.

Stone Cold isn't overrated and people should seperate Steve Williams and Steve Austin (and no, I don't mean dr. death either).

Hogan is a legend, and I'm tried of people pooping on him, but he is one big political jerk, I'll give you that.

Cruiserwieghts sucks ass. They are too small and scrawny to put up any sort of threat to the regular sized guys of wrestling.

Spike Dudley needs to die.
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Old 10-21-2004, 07:17 PM   #30
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Spike Dudley needs to die.
But you have to admit it's damn entertaining when he gets the shit knocked out of him and gets his ass smashed through tables constantly.
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Old 10-21-2004, 07:25 PM   #31
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But you have to admit it's damn entertaining when he gets the shit knocked out of him and gets his ass smashed through tables constantly.
Not entertaining at all.
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Old 10-21-2004, 08:31 PM   #32
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Undertaker is a great psychological wrestler.

Owen Hart's death didn't upset me all that much.

I enjoy HHH's work.

Randy Orton's face turn is working.

The Basham Brothers should be the Smackdown Tag Champs

I like Kenzo Suzuki.

Carlito should win the World Title in the future.
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Old 10-21-2004, 07:22 PM   #33
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Shawn Michaels should retire, the reason I feel this is that he's stopping other talent shining, plus he's half crippled anyway.
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Old 10-21-2004, 07:42 PM   #34
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The womens division sucks. I would love to see Luna Vachon come back, if for nothing else but the weirdness factor it would bring.

I hate Trish Stratus. I have no idea why but I have never liked her. She just really gets on my nerves. She gets on my nerves like Sunny of the Body Donnas got on my nerves.

Ric Flair belongs in the GWF (Geriatric Wrestling Federation). Not saying I don't like the guys charimsa or his talent (and to think he started as a jobber. LOL) but he is just getting to old for the businesses besides being a manager. He should really quit wrestling. (I really didn't need to see his ass at Taboo Tuesday, however it was funny as shit watching the ref pulling up his trunks)

And speeking of bare asses, haven't we seen Shawn Michaels way to much over the years? Has all that really been necessary?

And did I mention that Hunter needs a nose job?
I am convinced he married Steph just to help his career.
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Old 10-21-2004, 07:46 PM   #35
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Randy Orton's smug look makes me wanna smack the piss out of him. Maybe that's why he can't get over as a babyface.
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Old 10-21-2004, 07:46 PM   #36
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Surprised this person hasn't been mentioned yet.

Randy Orton is overrated. He has average wrestling skills, but really has nothing special. Orton is not consistent in good promos, but occaisionally pulls a decent one off. Orton has a great gimmick, even though "legend killer" is somewhat illogical for a nickname.
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Old 10-21-2004, 08:13 PM   #37
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I want Vince, Shane and Stephanie to return.
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Old 10-21-2004, 08:19 PM   #38
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Surprised this person hasn't been mentioned yet.

Randy Orton is overrated. He has average wrestling skills, but really has nothing special. Orton is not consistent in good promos, but occaisionally pulls a decent one off. Orton has a great gimmick, even though "legend killer" is somewhat illogical for a nickname.
I 100% agree, I thought I was the only person who didn't cream themselves when Ithey saw Orton.
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Old 10-22-2004, 03:11 AM   #39
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I 100% agree, I thought I was the only person who didn't cream themselves when Ithey saw Orton.
i dont like orton either.
i find myself preferring Smackdown atm just because its not all about orton (and HHH)

credit where credit is due tho, his promo with ric flair was BRILLIANT!
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Old 10-21-2004, 08:21 PM   #40
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OK...I am gonna give a quick run down here and now of my not so popular thoughts...

Steve Austin - Legend, one of the best, in the ring and on the mic, character was there, charisma and timming were there too. I know we like to dog on his personal life, but in the ring he is aces.

John Bradshaw Layfeild - I like him. I love his character and he has done NOTHING but entertain me since he became JBL.

Hardcore Holly - Don't ask me why, I always thought this guy was aces. He is entertaining for me, he just needs to not be Hardcore anymore since the Hardcore division is dead...maybe be Rob Holly...but don't go back to Bob, cause I don't like the name Bob.

Billy Gunn - My fucking hero, icon, and favorite of all time. Period.

Montreal - Bret Screwed Bret...but he is still a fucking ICON of the business.
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