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Old 09-09-2005, 11:37 AM   #1
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WWE Legal Team Targeting Everyone
Source: Wrestlezone.com

WWE's legal team has been on a terror as of late by going after anyone and everyone they think might infringe on their copyrights and trademarks, most especially ones concerning ECW. Here are some of the people they have threatened with letters just recently.

Mark LoMonica is forbidden from using the names "Bubba", "Buh-Buh", "Bubba Ray Dudley" or "Buh-Buh Ray Dudley" on independent shows and appearances as they caught a company using the name "Bubba" on advertising for a recent New York indie show and then they sent him and the indy promotion cease and desist letters to stop him from using that name or any name similar to his old name for that matter. Devon Hughes cannot use the name "D-Von" or "D-Von Dudley", although they can't stop him from using the name "Devon" as that's his real name. And of course, they can't use or be referred to as "The Dudleys", "The Dudleyz", "The Dudley Boys", or "Dudley Boyz" period.

WWE is also claiming rights to their catchphrases and costumes. They can't wear camouflauge or wrestle wearing glasses. WWE is also not allowing the term "get the tables" be used in advertising for them as a press release was pulled with new phrasing as WWE wouldn't allow the NY indie group to use the term, "get the tables." There is also a possibility that WWE will claim the terms "3-D" and "D-Von, Get the tables", although they can't ban them from using the manuever. WWE is claiming broad rights to everything associated with The Dudley Boyz gimmick.

Hughes and LoMonica have talked about fighting WWE legally because they left ECW with the idea that they owned the rights to their names and gimmick, but it could end up being a costly fight which is why they might not challenge WWE in court. The former Dudleyz are currently brainstorming a new gimmick for the team and they will let TNA know what the gimmick is after they trademark it themselves.

The WWE legal team has sent a letter to BigVanVader.com, saying that Leon White (Vader) has given them the right to legal use the name. They want the site owner to transfer the domain to them, despite the fact that he runs it as a fan site and has done so at a financial loss, because it's now their property.

WWE have sent a cease and desist letter to Peter Polaco, aka Justin Credible. Apparently, he can no longer use the "Justin Credible" name on wrestling shows anymore.

Johnny Ace recently informed Pete Gruner (Billy Kidman) that he not use the name "Billy Kidman" or "Kidman" on the independent scene when his 90-day no-compete clause expires next month.

The WWE legal team informed the webmaster of Spike Dudley's official website, SpikeDudley.net, that they can no longer use photos of him taken during his WWE tenure on his site. The WWE legal team says it constitutes copyright infringement and threatened him with a $150,000 damage case per photo. Some official WWE photos are still up on the site as of this post, but I'd imagine they'll be taken down sooner rather than later.

Also, the WWE legal team is currently looking at the folks who put together the "Hardcore Homecoming" shows for any potential legal hole they can nail them with. There's nothing specific yet, but WWE is claiming that the shows were infringing on WWE's trademarks and intellectual properties.

And in one last bit of legal news, I have actually been contacted myself by the WWE legal department who have told me that I must remove any images on this website dealing with WWE. You would think they'd have better things to do but apparently not.
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Old 09-09-2005, 11:41 AM   #2
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Holy fucking shit. This is insane. WWE is acting like a bunch of little bitches, overprotective of trademarks that AREN'T EVEN THEIRS TO BEGIN WITH!!!!

Seriously, this is fucked up.

Shit. What's going to happen to my wrestling themes web site? Motherfucker...
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Old 09-09-2005, 11:42 AM   #3
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Old 09-09-2005, 11:51 AM   #4
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This sucks. But they do own them, and even though their morally in the wrong, legally their in the right. And that sucks.
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Dammit, WWE never came up with the names of Billy Kidman, Justin Credible, The Dudley Boyz, Spike Dudley, and Vader. WWE is DEFINITELY not in the right, legally or otherwise, for going after the Hardcore Homecoming show. So now that they own everything WCW and ECW, they think they own the entire world and everything wrestling. Way to let your former talent make a living for themselves. Good thing people like Jindrak, Morgan, and a few others use their real names. Does Mero own the rights to Johnny B Badd or whatever, his old WCW gimmick? If so, they might as well go after Mero for using it in TNA, if he still does.
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Dammit, WWE never came up with the names of Billy Kidman, Justin Credible, The Dudley Boyz, Spike Dudley, and Vader. WWE is DEFINITELY not in the right, legally or otherwise, for going after the Hardcore Homecoming show.
They didn't come up with them, true. But they did purchase everything ECW including the rights to the names. Paul may have let the Dudleys continue using the name after they left ECW but apparently WWE is in no way going to be any bit as generous. Same goes for Billy Kidman and WCW. Like it or not they did trademark the names as soon as the wrestlers began working for them or they did purchase them from the former owners who had trademarked them.

In all honesty, if you're a wrestler and your name is your livlihood then you should trademark it as soon as possible. And if you ever start to work for WWE and your name is trademark they'll probably change your whole gimmick to something else. Once you're done with the company go back to using your original gimmick.

Lastly, I want to say I'm not defending what the WWE is doing. In fact I think its pretty shitty. I was just saying it was in their right to do so.
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They didn't come up with them, true. But they did purchase everything ECW including the rights to the names. Paul may have let the Dudleys continue using the name after they left ECW but apparently WWE is in no way going to be any bit as generous. Same goes for Billy Kidman and WCW. Like it or not they did trademark the names as soon as the wrestlers began working for them or they did purchase them from the former owners who had trademarked them.

In all honesty, if you're a wrestler and your name is your livlihood then you should trademark it as soon as possible. And if you ever start to work for WWE and your name is trademark they'll probably change your whole gimmick to something else. Once you're done with the company go back to using your original gimmick.

Lastly, I want to say I'm not defending what the WWE is doing. In fact I think its pretty shitty. I was just saying it was in their right to do so.
That's not fair, Crashnburn. I edited my post less than a MINUTE after I posted it. I know I misspoke (mistyped) in that original version of my post.
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Old 09-09-2005, 12:29 PM   #8
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That's not fair, Crashnburn. I edited my post less than a MINUTE after I posted it. I know I misspoke (mistyped) in that original version of my post.
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:23 PM   #9
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They didn't come up with them, true. But they did purchase everything ECW including the rights to the names. Paul may have let the Dudleys continue using the name after they left ECW but apparently WWE is in no way going to be any bit as generous. Same goes for Billy Kidman and WCW. Like it or not they did trademark the names as soon as the wrestlers began working for them or they did purchase them from the former owners who had trademarked them.

In all honesty, if you're a wrestler and your name is your livlihood then you should trademark it as soon as possible. And if you ever start to work for WWE and your name is trademark they'll probably change your whole gimmick to something else. Once you're done with the company go back to using your original gimmick.

Lastly, I want to say I'm not defending what the WWE is doing. In fact I think its pretty shitty. I was just saying it was in their right to do so.
Well, WCW and ECW can't give trademarks where they didn't belong. As the Dudleyz and some other people were said to have left ECW WITH their trademarks, the WWE couldn't claim them as part of the package.

Plus, many of the "trademarks" are not actually registered trademarks...They can take out actual trademarks, but those would be easier to challenge.
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:20 PM   #10
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Dammit, WWE never came up with the names of Billy Kidman, Justin Credible, The Dudley Boyz, Spike Dudley, and Vader. WWE is DEFINITELY not in the right, legally or otherwise, for going after the Hardcore Homecoming show. So now that they own everything WCW and ECW, they think they own the entire world and everything wrestling. Way to let your former talent make a living for themselves. Good thing people like Jindrak, Morgan, and a few others use their real names. Does Mero own the rights to Johnny B Badd or whatever, his old WCW gimmick? If so, they might as well go after Mero for using it in TNA, if he still does.
Legally, they own them. And they can get away with it, because who would challenge the WWE? They have money, which of these wrestlers can affort the challenge?
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Old 09-09-2005, 11:59 AM   #11
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They may not of came up with them but they do OWN them.
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Old 09-09-2005, 06:09 PM   #12
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They may not of came up with them but they do OWN them.

How do you own words? And how does that not fall under Freedom of Speech. Does it make a difference whether its on camera or not? Dudleys and the kid who ran the website should fight this. Thats pretty bs on WWF's part.
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How do you own words? And how does that not fall under Freedom of Speech. Does it make a difference whether its on camera or not? Dudleys and the kid who ran the website should fight this. Thats pretty bs on WWF's part.
Phrases can be copyrighted, along with creative names. Hence why the name "The Rock" can be copyrighted, but "Dwayne Johnson" can't.
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Old 09-09-2005, 12:11 PM   #14
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That's just wrong!

Not only do they leave these guys with no job and no chance of a job for 90 days, they take away an identity that can earn them some money!

I think it's appalling that the WWE can do this to these people!

Quite simply it's BULLSHIT!
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Old 09-09-2005, 12:13 PM   #15
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When YOU'RE right, yes YOU ARE (YOU'RE) right

But yeah, I know they OWN them, but it's still bullshit.
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Old 09-09-2005, 12:27 PM   #17
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Wow.

Can't say it isn't a good business decision for WWE though. Everyone that they once had has to completely re-invent themselves before they can make the promotions they are working for any money whatsoever. And as proven in the past... re-inventing yourself for another promotion is not the easiest thing to do (ie: Billy Gunn)
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This is the kinda thing that happens when you're stuck right up your own arse.
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WWE did this a few years ago, attacking fan web sites and the like for using WWE pictures. Then they eased up on it and let it go. I hope they don't come after us, the fans, again for fan sites and sites with downloads.
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Now that wrestling is in a bit of a slow period again, I wouldn't be surprised if Vince tries to get every penny he can get.
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I don't feel sorry for them, they signed the contract and if they were dumb enough to think that the could use their ringnames and gimmicks when they left, then they deserve what they get.
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I don't feel sorry for them, they signed the contract and if they were dumb enough to think that the could use their ringnames and gimmicks when they left, then they deserve what they get.
Dudleys were promised their gimmicks by Paul E back in ECW.
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Dudleys were promised their gimmicks by Paul E back in ECW.
Well do they have a trademark to the name?

"Promises" don't mean jack in court.

And besides, Paul E. doesn't own ECW anymore and the Dudley's signed with the WWE. And unless the Dudleys went and registered a trademark for any of their names and gimmicks, then they have no legal recourse to challenge this.
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Well do they have a trademark to the name?

"Promises" don't mean jack in court.

And besides, Paul E. doesn't own ECW anymore and the Dudley's signed with the WWE. And unless the Dudleys went and registered a trademark for any of their names and gimmicks, then they have no legal recourse to challenge this.
Sad truth. I couldn't imagine if someone told me I couldn't use my gimmick or name. Fucking sucks, its almost like somebody died.
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It does get kind of ridiculous though when they say that they can't use every single variation of a name (ie: Bubbah, Bubba, Buh-Buh)
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What goes around comes around...

Think about it.

Remember when Triple A got a letter from the WWE about using copyrighted material?

A few years later WWF is forced to changed to WWE because they themselves were infringing on the world wildlife fund name.
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Old 09-09-2005, 07:46 PM   #28
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What goes around comes around...

Think about it.

Remember when Triple A got a letter from the WWE about using copyrighted material?

A few years later WWF is forced to changed to WWE because they themselves were infringing on the world wildlife fund name.
yes the WWF had to change to the WWE because they threatened Triple A.
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Imagine you can't say 'get the tables'. It's fucking pathetic. Fuck WWE.
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Imagine you can't say 'get the tables'. It's fucking pathetic. Fuck WWE.
Yeah fuck them.

Let's all watch some CZW where the REAL wrestling is at!
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Yeah fuck them.

Let's all watch some CZW where the REAL wrestling is at!
Yeah... I'm going to go watch a 25 minute epic of Petey Williams vs. Sonjay Dutt vs. M Dogg 20 vs. Teddy Hart, you go watch a 5 minute Carlito vs. John Cena 'main event'.
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That's why you should copyright it as soon as you come up with it so no one can deny you the use of it.
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Justin Credible still has PJ Walker as his name that he has been using a lot on the indy scene. Billy Kidman should just call himself "Torrie Wilson's Husband" and he'll be fine. Spike Dudley should just use his real name since he will probably end up working for Ring Of Honor. The Dudley Boyz get the worst of this in my opinion. I definitely believe someone should challenge the WWE in court.

The WWE are a bunch of assholes. I could understand enforcing names and gimmicks upon stuff that they actually created. But doing this will most certainly hurt all of these guys. It is not like these wrestlers will be making millions of dollars but their name value would help them make a little more money for thier families and make their lives better. Fuck you WWE.
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The WWE are a bunch of assholes. I could understand enforcing names and gimmicks upon stuff that they actually created. But doing this will most certainly hurt all of these guys. It is not like these wrestlers will be making millions of dollars but their name value would help them make a little more money for thier families and make their lives better. Fuck you WWE.
So it's the WWE's fault that the Dudley's and all of these other guys signed a contract with them which basically gave the WWE to do whatever they want with their names and gimmicks?

And if they won't be making a lot of money with their gimmicks anyways, then what's the big deal?
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Old 09-09-2005, 01:31 PM   #35
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Justin Credible still has PJ Walker as his name that he has been using a lot on the indy scene. Billy Kidman should just call himself "Torrie Wilson's Husband" and he'll be fine. Spike Dudley should just use his real name since he will probably end up working for Ring Of Honor. The Dudley Boyz get the worst of this in my opinion. I definitely believe someone should challenge the WWE in court.

The WWE are a bunch of assholes. I could understand enforcing names and gimmicks upon stuff that they actually created. But doing this will most certainly hurt all of these guys. It is not like these wrestlers will be making millions of dollars but their name value would help them make a little more money for thier families and make their lives better. Fuck you WWE.
Think about all the money the Dudleyz have already made with the company over the past 5-6 years using the name and gimmick. I find it hard to believe that they are on the brink of starvation right now. They'll be well off wherever they decide to go.
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Think about all the money the Dudleyz have already made with the company over the past 5-6 years using the name and gimmick. I find it hard to believe that they are on the brink of starvation right now. They'll be well off wherever they decide to go.
If not they will always have a job at Lowe's or Menard's selling lumber.

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Old 09-09-2005, 02:17 PM   #37
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But I can think of some names they can use.

The Dudleys can call them selfs "Da Dudley Boyz" the WWE didn't say anything about using that.

D-Von can call himself Devon and Bubba can call himself Bub.

Credible can call himself Justin Sane.

Kidman can call himself Billy the Kidman.
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They could just legally change their names. Challenging this in court is a waist of money, Vince and the WWE owns these things. I didn't create the vacuum cleaner but I own one, and If someone takes my vacuum, guess what, its stealing.
(I know horrible analogy)
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its another move (in part) to make life hard for internet fans and protect ppvs and storylines. They are only doing this because they can.
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its another move (in part) to make life hard for internet fans and protect ppvs and storylines. They are only doing this because they can.
Are you stupid?

How the fuck is this making it "hard" for internet fans?
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