Top 5 "pushes" in last 5 yrs that could have went somewhere.....but didn't

**Johnny Vegas** · 12-22-2005, 12:33 PM

5: Matt Hardy Return - This was probably the first time since the Rock did his concerts that i actually had that adrenaline coming through me because of something on wrestling. Personally, this push didn't go anywhere, and with the recent news (Hardy asked to come out with jobbers), i don't think it ever will.

4: Booker T (pre-Wrestlemania 19 i think) - This was Booker's, to me, last good chance of ever getting that deserved title run. He was getting good pops, in good shape and health and fans were actually looking forward to it. But, thanks to unmentionables,

that was cut short and probably will never happen again.

3: Jerry Lynch in the WWE/RVD - Should i say more? Wasted GREAT talent. I guess the WWE always had a bad vibe about ECW/WCW guys. Just because they had loyalty to their ex-job(s). If you ask me, both these guys, if pushed right, could have made some memorable World Title/Intercontinental Title matches.

2: Christian/Kane - Some won't agree with these two being tied, but all can agree with me when i say "What the hell were you guys thinking WWE?!" Kane, when the mask was taken off, could've probably had a decent title reign. With him defeating people like Triple H, Flair, Big Show, HBK and other treats, he could have established himself as a GREAT heel and could've set up a good PPV meeting with someone like Jericho, Angle, HBK, etc. Christian....

....Charisma, good in-ring skills, GREAT mic skills (probably the best when he was there) and just all around excellent talent. Sort of reminds me of Brian Westbrook of the Eagles. He's basically the main guy you need to concentrate on, and you have trouble paying him.

Wasted...

1: Chris Jericho (World Title Reign...UNDISPUTED no less) - People in that company blame Jericho for not "carrying the ball". Well, when you have the likes of the n.W.o. returning, and Triple H returning from injury, i don't think even The Rock could've done any better than Jericho. It was unfair and basically has been Jericho's career: Unfair. The guy had crowds yelling as loud, if not, louder than the Rock/SCSA's entrances, so that has to be my #1. A damn shame.

Well, you guys got any?? Comments, Suggestions, Opinions, whatever!

**The Gooch** · 12-22-2005, 12:49 PM

Great list Vegas.

As much as I hate the guy I think Goldberg should be in there somewhere as well.

**wwe2222** · 12-22-2005, 12:50 PM

seeing how matt hardy is turning out, that is very disappointing...i was at the raw when he first came back, and i had high hopes for that to be an awesome fued...what a waste

Christian's fued he almost had with Cena...what a waste that was too

**Johnny Vegas** · 12-22-2005, 12:51 PM

Yea, i guess. Well i was really trying to make it a "should have gotten THAT push" list or something..but you're right nigga

**The Gooch** · 12-22-2005, 12:56 PM

Strong case for the fucking up of DDP as well. If there was any indication early on that the Invasion was going to be a let down the botch of DDP was it.

**Johnny Vegas** · 12-22-2005, 01:03 PM

You know i heard somewhere that DDP is suing Jay-Z/Rocafella for that hand gesture/ diamond sign.

**CSL** · 12-22-2005, 01:14 PM

1: WCW

2-5: Christian

**MVP** · 12-22-2005, 01:33 PM

RVD would be #2 for me

**hb2k** · 12-22-2005, 01:46 PM

RVD was by far the biggest miss of all. He actually was mega-over, it was sickening that they made him into "just another guy" post No Mercy.

Chris Jericho should have beaten the Rock clean at No Mercy when he had him in the Walls and pulled him into the middle. Had Rock tapped then, Jericho would have looked like a star. But alas, the McMahons come first.

Kane? He should never be a top guy, he's an upper midcarder that is safe in that spot.

Eddie Guerrero in Summer 2003 was really over, and he was one of few people at the time to have an incredible effect on ratings during his segments. Instead of running with it, they put him in a losing streak gimmick, and then waited to give him the belt out of left field.

**jerichoholic169** · 12-22-2005, 03:05 PM

meh, Christian is hands down #1 in this for me. He was mad over and could have gone to massive things, even when he got traded to SD!, but instead he jobbed to Booker (i think) and ended up buried in the midcard. Good for him going to TNA i say.

Notable mention to Mordecai. HE was brought in, crushed a few jobbers, looked like he was going to get pushed to the moon, did a promo on the champion at that time, Eddie, saying he was the biggest sinner of them all, had the whole righteous thing going, then had a shit match against holly, got jobbed to rey and then disappearing. Ok not necessarily fucked up cos the fans loved him and WWE ignored him, just becuase WWE brought him in, made him look like he was destined for something and then buried him.

RVD at least got to upper mid card and stayed there. Alright when he headlined the first Raw PPV against HHH for the title, i thought he might actually get to go somewhere with the title. They just never gave him that extra push, let him fued with evolution then kane, then just dumped him in the IC/US division. WHich sucks. Hopefully when he comes back they'll push him to the moon.

**RGWhat316** · 12-22-2005, 03:06 PM

This maybe just my opinion. But I actually thought they were going somewhere with Billy Kidman last year. He accidently injured Chavo, but then almost killed his tag partner, Paul London. He was a big heel at that point, then he almost disappeared. Nothing really came after that.

**Loose Cannon** · 12-22-2005, 07:48 PM

It's Jerry Lynn and he was going nowhere, so I wouldn't even rate him anywhere. To be on this list, the wrestler should of been at least getting a decent push.

1) RVD
2) Booker
3) Taz
4) Christian
5) DDP

Guys that were World Champions should not even be near this list. Basically being a World Title holder is the farthest you could go as far as a push, so I dunno how they could of "went somewhere" more.

**The Naitch** · 12-22-2005, 08:00 PM

Sean O-Haire

**Blitz** · 12-22-2005, 08:19 PM

1. Joe E Legend, in WWE and TNA. Legend is simply one of the most talented wrestlers in the world, on the mic and in the ring. Neither WWE nor TNA took advantage.

**Loose Cannon** · 12-22-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitz

1. Joe E Legend, in WWE and TNA. Legend is simply one of the most talented wrestlers in the world, on the mic and in the ring. Neither WWE nor TNA took advantage.

lol, it's like people don't read threads. Top 5 "pushes" Did he even win a match not against a no name?

**The Naitch** · 12-22-2005, 08:42 PM

Just Joe

**hb2k** · 12-22-2005, 09:08 PM

Tazz....holy shit I forgot about Tazz. He was monster over, and they just buried him for no good reason.

**mrslackalack** · 12-22-2005, 09:37 PM

RVD's in late 02.

**weather vane** · 12-22-2005, 11:26 PM

Jerry Lynch is the brother of Liam Lynch ... yeah whateva!

**Mr. Nerfect** · 12-23-2005, 01:56 AM

1. Chief Who?
I am a huge Val Venis fan, so I regret that his run as Chief of Staff on RAW didn't last, especially since it gave him his first title run since 2000. Venis deserves better than to be a permanent Heat guy. At least give him the occasional RAW win. With SIX main event guys in one match at New Year's Revolution, I see no reason why Val Venis cannot be included on the card, and even win.

2. Kane
About five years ago, Kane eliminated 11 people in the 2001 Royal Rumble. Kane was my favourite wrestler at the time, and even though I wanted to see him win, but new he wouldn't, the first Rumble I ever saw featured him as the star, and it has lived on in my head. Since then, Kane has won the IC Title twice, numerous World Tag Titles and has beaten some of the best. He just hasn't got to the level he could be at, IMO. I am surprised to see him make the Elimination Chamber, so here's hoping he "Royal Rumble 2001s" this thing, and looks like a star again.

3. Paul London & Billy Kidman
It wouldn't be so much a travesty if these guys could have finished their feud, but the thing is, they never even finished it. Kidman and London split up prematurely, Kidman beat London at No Mercy, London returned and then...they had a match on Velocity. Yee-haw. I hope the same thing doesn't happen to London and Kendrick.

4. Christian
It's not so much that they discontinued his program with John Cena, or that they didn't give him win after win on SmackDown!, it's just that they had such a narrow mind about his performing abilities. The crowd loved this guy, he was a great worker, and some people were predicting he could actually draw if used right, and management still thought of him as a "mid-carder". All they needed to do was TRY the guy in the main event, and see how it went.

5. Shelton Benjamin
OK, OK, it isn't necissarily end of the line for Shelton yet, but the fact is he came to RAW, got Stone Cold's support, and in one night went from heel tag team guy, to babyface solo guy, by not only beating Triple H, but getting away with disrespecting him. Now the WWE seems to be dry on ideas for what to do with him other than have him revert back to the character he was playing when he came to RAW (unconfident tweener). If the WWE doesn't pull the trigger ith this guy, it will be comparable to Christian's scenario.

**Fox** · 12-23-2005, 02:24 AM

1 - Brock Lesnar
Was given the ultimate push: youngest WWE Champion ever, King of the Ring, Royal Rumble Winner, WrestleMania main event winner: all in less than three years. Kurt Angle can't even compare to that. The Rock can't compare to that. The Undertaker can't compare to that. No one can. Lesnar was going to be the biggest star in the WWE, and a main event runner for a long time to come. Instead, he left the company, and his push was completely wasted.

2 - Rob Van Dam
The reasons said above; he was major over, the biggest star of the Alliance, and was buried into mid-carderdom forever more.

3 - Chris Jericho
Given the WCW Title and made to look like a bitch with it. Given the Undisputed Championship and made to look like a bitch with it, playing second fiddle to the Stephanie/Triple H garbage leading up to WrestleMania X-8. Fucking arguments over a dog - Jesus Christ.

4 - Matt Hardy
I don't even want to begin with how big he could have been if they had done the angle right, instead of those blatant and obvious attacks and getting jobbed like a pussy punk bitch who doesn't belong in a wrestling ring in his first match back.

5 - Booker T
I really feel that if he had cleanly won the World Title from Triple H at XIX, Booker T would be in a much better position today than he is now. That was his match, he needed to win that match, it would've been the absolute pinnacle of his career. But no. They waste it on a fucking Ric Flair run in, and a series of matches between HHH and Kevin Nash that nobody wanted to see.

**addy2hotty** · 12-23-2005, 08:23 AM

I've gotta agree with the norm here.

1 - RVD.
I was shocked at how popular he became. I will never forget him standing in the ring with all the Alliance guys INCLUDING Austin, and get chanted for. I can't think of another wrestler since Austin's been around to achieve that. When RVD beat then-champion Kurt Angle to get Austin a title shot, I felt that was probably the best moment of the entire Alliance-angle, and SURELY should have led to an RVD - Austin feud. He was pushed to an extent, Vince asking him to join the WWF, but that 'lone-ranger' between the brands stuation never happened, and we all missed out BIGTIME. I think Van Dam is like Jericho in a sense, he doesn't 'need' the title like others do. Shame.

2. Christian.
What a ball dropped here. I mean crazy. They slowly pushed a Cena - Christian feud for months and months and then Cena turns up on Raw, and Christian comes out and bad mouths him. I THOUGHT that was going to be a turning point for the brand. Another false dawn. Christian gets destroyed for the simple purposes of a Jericho - Cena feud, which to be honest was seemingly more about album sales then it was a title. I can't even take Cena and his stupid belt seriously anyway.

3 - Kane.
Seriously, who is more skilled, more intense or a better 'big guy' then Kane. His BIG feuds have always been entertaining, he's an excellent actor (his chat with Orton before WM on Raw was GOLD), he's as consistant as any wrestler in the business in the ring and despite the unmasking he's still World Championship class. Kane should win the title at NYR, they are pushing him as a monster, so lets have Kane win the title and then the Tag Champions break down and feud over it. What a nice change that would make.

4 - Y2J.
Disclaimer - Being a absolute Jericho mark means that I think he's the greatest wrestler to have lived.
I can't (with the exception of the Trish-Christian feud) think of one decent feud he had since he dropped the title. He should be a 3 or 4 time champion now.
Every one talks about his poor run as champion, I don't think it was THAT poor. Ignore Wrestlemania and the build up, and look at the mini-feud with the Rock. (I am not a joke!). Since his loss to Trips at Mania, I think they've had one match but they've teased with confrontations that almost make you wonder if they get on in real life. Perhaps thats why he's underutilised, or perhaps like RvD, he likes to put over the new talent.
I hope somewhere down the line to see a heel Jericho as World Champion again, but I'm not holding my breath.

5 - HHH.
Now bare with me here. Triple H has been the same old boring generic heel for years now. The same old promos, the same old matches. HAD The Game got some of the Triple H of 2000 back, then I wonder if we would all dislike him quite so much. He used to be the intense arrogant heel back then, with a cocky nature that made him almost, cool. In recent years he's just been Mr Intensity, grunting and growling into the mic and hanging around with that has-been Flair (who is STILL IC CHAMP, WHAT THE F*CK IS THAT ABOUT?), while only putting over the one guy, Batista. Had the Game freshened up his character, maybe even been a tweener for a while (or even gone to SD when Eddie was champ), I think it would have been a much better time for the whole business.

**CSL** · 12-23-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by addy2hotty

HAD The Game got some of the Triple H of 2000 back, then I wonder if we would all dislike him quite so much

I don't dislike Triple H @ all. I enjoy watching him and I believe he is the most important wrestler and the bigget star on the WWE roster today and has been since The Rock vanished

**Morgan** · 12-23-2005, 11:36 AM

I don't think Triple H should be in the same list as Jericho, kane and RVD but you had some good points there. I remember the WWE title match he had with Eddie on the draft show after WMXX. It would of done good to freshen him up, and considering the quality of SD in 2004, it would have been helpful.

The London/Chavo/Kidman thing would have been a really good CW title storyline.

**Mr. JL** · 12-23-2005, 12:15 PM

1. Christian: This guy should be main eventing every other WWE Pay Per View, instead he's stuck in TNA and soon to be jobbing to Jeff Jarrett.

2. Rob Van Dam: The guy was FUCKING HUGE over!

3. Chris Jericho: Honestly, how can you book a credible, believable title reign on someone who was jobbed out twice, (both on RAW and Smack Down) before his big PPV win? Not to mention the fans wanted him to be a face and not a heel. Or the piss poor booking of his main event match at Wrestle Mania 18.

4. Kane: This guy could have been huge back in late 2002 when he returned from injury and again in 2003 when the mask came off.

5. Goldberg: Yes, lets put a Goldust wig on Mr. Bill Goldberg.... it worked for Dustin!

Other notable mentions go to Diamond Dallas Page, Matt Hardy, Randy Orton and Booker T.

**zach** · 12-23-2005, 10:17 PM

test - could've been the next kevin nash, except for the fact that he was the next kevin nash and constantly hurt himself. remember when he broke his own nose getting into the ring? that was tremendous

**Savio** · 12-23-2005, 10:37 PM

Kane, Hassan, Orton, nWo, Christian.

**G-wrath** · 12-23-2005, 11:49 PM

Christian
Jericho
Benjaman
Matt Hardy
Booker T

**Rob** · 12-23-2005, 11:49 PM

Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero should have all been pushed to the moon when they won the world title. Jericho should have been made a main event player when he "won" the WWF title from HHH. He was as over as anyone in the company at that time and the people were dying for him to be the new big babyface champion.

Bill Goldberg was pissed on from day one.

Rob Van Dam should have probably been world champion within 6 months of his debut.

Those 5 for sure should have been bigger. Christian certainly deserved a bigger push but he never even got something resembling one. Guys like Scott Steiner, Booker T (aside from when he worked HHH at Mania and should have been champion) and Kane have gotten as big as they probably would have considering their respective talent levels at the time they first received their big push. Lance Storm, William Regal and Edge deserved bigger shots but Edge will probably still get his. Tazz could have and should have been a bigger superstar but when you are smaller than 5ft8 and don't look after yourself months after your debut, you can't ask for much. Still, he was over until his last match so they really don't have any real excuses to why he wasn't at least a decent IC champion.

**Boondock Saint** · 12-24-2005, 12:11 AM

lol forgot all about Steiner in WWE.

LK · 12-30-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Boondock Saint

lol forgot all about Steiner in WWE.

I've tried to as well but 'those' matches still appear in my nightmares.

**Batsu** · 12-30-2005, 08:52 PM

A lot of these failed pushes can be attributed to McMahon short-sightedness...and the decline of the WWE product (especially with regards to move restrictions).

**Chico** · 12-30-2005, 10:54 PM

DDP comes to mind immediately. He was a former WCW champ, but his gimmick as Sara's stalker totally ruined his WWF/E career. Did he even hit any Diamond Cutters when he was the stalker?

**The One** · 12-31-2005, 12:12 AM

Taz, DDP, Goldberg, Steiner, and Booker T.

If you were a World Champ elsewhere, don't count on doing SHIT once Vinnie Mac gets to ya.

**Savio** · 12-31-2005, 12:44 AM

I disagree with Goldberg, he only lost like 2 matches in WWE.

**Rob** · 01-01-2006, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savior

I disagree with Goldberg, he only lost like 2 matches in WWE.

What's that got to do with his push? That's like saying Hulk Hogan put over Billy Kidman.

**The One** · 12-31-2005, 01:03 AM

Thus the "push" he received from WWE...and then WWE didn't resign him completing the "could have went somewhere...but didn't" statement.

**Savio** · 12-31-2005, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The One

Thus the "push" he received from WWE...and then WWE didn't resign him completing the "could have went somewhere...but didn't" statement.

You said he didn't do shit but he did.

12-31-2005, 01:37 AM

John Cena - if they didn't overexpose him and not limit his moveset then maybe it wouldn't have been so bad as it has become.

**Savio** · 01-01-2006, 01:31 PM

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If you were a World Champ elsewhere, don't count on doing SHIT once Vinnie Mac gets to ya.

Quote:

I disagree with Goldberg, he only lost like 2 matches in WWE.

12-22-2005, 12:33 PM	#1
Johnny Vegas Head on a Rollercoaster Posts: 6,756	Top 5 "pushes" in last 5 yrs that could have went somewhere.....but didn't 5: Matt Hardy Return - This was probably the first time since the Rock did his concerts that i actually had that adrenaline coming through me because of something on wrestling. Personally, this push didn't go anywhere, and with the recent news (Hardy asked to come out with jobbers), i don't think it ever will. 4: Booker T (pre-Wrestlemania 19 i think) - This was Booker's, to me, last good chance of ever getting that deserved title run. He was getting good pops, in good shape and health and fans were actually looking forward to it. But, thanks to unmentionables, that was cut short and probably will never happen again. 3: Jerry Lynch in the WWE/RVD - Should i say more? Wasted GREAT talent. I guess the WWE always had a bad vibe about ECW/WCW guys. Just because they had loyalty to their ex-job(s). If you ask me, both these guys, if pushed right, could have made some memorable World Title/Intercontinental Title matches. 2: Christian/Kane - Some won't agree with these two being tied, but all can agree with me when i say "What the hell were you guys thinking WWE?!" Kane, when the mask was taken off, could've probably had a decent title reign. With him defeating people like Triple H, Flair, Big Show, HBK and other treats, he could have established himself as a GREAT heel and could've set up a good PPV meeting with someone like Jericho, Angle, HBK, etc. Christian.... ....Charisma, good in-ring skills, GREAT mic skills (probably the best when he was there) and just all around excellent talent. Sort of reminds me of Brian Westbrook of the Eagles. He's basically the main guy you need to concentrate on, and you have trouble paying him. Wasted... 1: Chris Jericho (World Title Reign...UNDISPUTED no less) - People in that company blame Jericho for not "carrying the ball". Well, when you have the likes of the n.W.o. returning, and Triple H returning from injury, i don't think even The Rock could've done any better than Jericho. It was unfair and basically has been Jericho's career: Unfair. The guy had crowds yelling as loud, if not, louder than the Rock/SCSA's entrances, so that has to be my #1. A damn shame. Well, you guys got any?? Comments, Suggestions, Opinions, whatever!

12-22-2005, 12:49 PM	#2
The Gooch Enlarged Member Posts: 2,070	Great list Vegas. As much as I hate the guy I think Goldberg should be in there somewhere as well.

12-22-2005, 12:50 PM	#3
wwe2222 Posts: 1,398	seeing how matt hardy is turning out, that is very disappointing...i was at the raw when he first came back, and i had high hopes for that to be an awesome fued...what a waste Christian's fued he almost had with Cena...what a waste that was too

12-22-2005, 12:51 PM	#4
Johnny Vegas Head on a Rollercoaster Posts: 6,756	Yea, i guess. Well i was really trying to make it a "should have gotten THAT push" list or something..but you're right nigga

12-22-2005, 12:56 PM	#5
The Gooch Enlarged Member Posts: 2,070	Strong case for the fucking up of DDP as well. If there was any indication early on that the Invasion was going to be a let down the botch of DDP was it.

12-22-2005, 01:03 PM	#6
Johnny Vegas Head on a Rollercoaster Posts: 6,756	You know i heard somewhere that DDP is suing Jay-Z/Rocafella for that hand gesture/ diamond sign.

12-22-2005, 01:14 PM	#7
CSL Over Like Rover Posts: 38,444	1: WCW 2-5: Christian

12-22-2005, 01:33 PM	#8
MVP Mas Vagina Porfavor Posts: 11,343	RVD would be #2 for me

12-22-2005, 01:46 PM	#9
hb2k Do Unto Others... Posts: 2,086	RVD was by far the biggest miss of all. He actually was mega-over, it was sickening that they made him into "just another guy" post No Mercy. Chris Jericho should have beaten the Rock clean at No Mercy when he had him in the Walls and pulled him into the middle. Had Rock tapped then, Jericho would have looked like a star. But alas, the McMahons come first. Kane? He should never be a top guy, he's an upper midcarder that is safe in that spot. Eddie Guerrero in Summer 2003 was really over, and he was one of few people at the time to have an incredible effect on ratings during his segments. Instead of running with it, they put him in a losing streak gimmick, and then waited to give him the belt out of left field.

12-22-2005, 03:05 PM	#10
jerichoholic169 Posts: 585	meh, Christian is hands down #1 in this for me. He was mad over and could have gone to massive things, even when he got traded to SD!, but instead he jobbed to Booker (i think) and ended up buried in the midcard. Good for him going to TNA i say. Notable mention to Mordecai. HE was brought in, crushed a few jobbers, looked like he was going to get pushed to the moon, did a promo on the champion at that time, Eddie, saying he was the biggest sinner of them all, had the whole righteous thing going, then had a shit match against holly, got jobbed to rey and then disappearing. Ok not necessarily fucked up cos the fans loved him and WWE ignored him, just becuase WWE brought him in, made him look like he was destined for something and then buried him. RVD at least got to upper mid card and stayed there. Alright when he headlined the first Raw PPV against HHH for the title, i thought he might actually get to go somewhere with the title. They just never gave him that extra push, let him fued with evolution then kane, then just dumped him in the IC/US division. WHich sucks. Hopefully when he comes back they'll push him to the moon.

12-22-2005, 08:00 PM	#13
The Naitch RAPTURE READY. Posts: 31,936	Sean O-Haire

12-22-2005, 03:06 PM	#11
RGWhat316 YesYesYes! Posts: 4,163	This maybe just my opinion. But I actually thought they were going somewhere with Billy Kidman last year. He accidently injured Chavo, but then almost killed his tag partner, Paul London. He was a big heel at that point, then he almost disappeared. Nothing really came after that.

12-22-2005, 07:48 PM	#12
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	It's Jerry Lynn and he was going nowhere, so I wouldn't even rate him anywhere. To be on this list, the wrestler should of been at least getting a decent push. 1) RVD 2) Booker 3) Taz 4) Christian 5) DDP Guys that were World Champions should not even be near this list. Basically being a World Title holder is the farthest you could go as far as a push, so I dunno how they could of "went somewhere" more.

12-22-2005, 08:19 PM	#14
Blitz Angel Headed Hipster Posts: 37,942	1. Joe E Legend, in WWE and TNA. Legend is simply one of the most talented wrestlers in the world, on the mic and in the ring. Neither WWE nor TNA took advantage.

12-22-2005, 08:42 PM	#16
The Naitch RAPTURE READY. Posts: 31,936	Just Joe

12-22-2005, 09:08 PM	#17
hb2k Do Unto Others... Posts: 2,086	Tazz....holy shit I forgot about Tazz. He was monster over, and they just buried him for no good reason.

12-22-2005, 09:37 PM	#18
mrslackalack Mr. Slack A Lack Jack! Posts: 4,390	RVD's in late 02.

12-22-2005, 11:26 PM	#19
weather vane quesque fuck? Posts: 23,553	Jerry Lynch is the brother of Liam Lynch ... yeah whateva!

12-23-2005, 01:56 AM	#20
Mr. Nerfect Posts: 61,543	1. Chief Who? I am a huge Val Venis fan, so I regret that his run as Chief of Staff on RAW didn't last, especially since it gave him his first title run since 2000. Venis deserves better than to be a permanent Heat guy. At least give him the occasional RAW win. With SIX main event guys in one match at New Year's Revolution, I see no reason why Val Venis cannot be included on the card, and even win. 2. Kane About five years ago, Kane eliminated 11 people in the 2001 Royal Rumble. Kane was my favourite wrestler at the time, and even though I wanted to see him win, but new he wouldn't, the first Rumble I ever saw featured him as the star, and it has lived on in my head. Since then, Kane has won the IC Title twice, numerous World Tag Titles and has beaten some of the best. He just hasn't got to the level he could be at, IMO. I am surprised to see him make the Elimination Chamber, so here's hoping he "Royal Rumble 2001s" this thing, and looks like a star again. 3. Paul London & Billy Kidman It wouldn't be so much a travesty if these guys could have finished their feud, but the thing is, they never even finished it. Kidman and London split up prematurely, Kidman beat London at No Mercy, London returned and then...they had a match on Velocity. Yee-haw. I hope the same thing doesn't happen to London and Kendrick. 4. Christian It's not so much that they discontinued his program with John Cena, or that they didn't give him win after win on SmackDown!, it's just that they had such a narrow mind about his performing abilities. The crowd loved this guy, he was a great worker, and some people were predicting he could actually draw if used right, and management still thought of him as a "mid-carder". All they needed to do was TRY the guy in the main event, and see how it went. 5. Shelton Benjamin OK, OK, it isn't necissarily end of the line for Shelton yet, but the fact is he came to RAW, got Stone Cold's support, and in one night went from heel tag team guy, to babyface solo guy, by not only beating Triple H, but getting away with disrespecting him. Now the WWE seems to be dry on ideas for what to do with him other than have him revert back to the character he was playing when he came to RAW (unconfident tweener). If the WWE doesn't pull the trigger ith this guy, it will be comparable to Christian's scenario.

12-23-2005, 02:24 AM	#21
Fox "Ask him!" Posts: 10,072	1 - Brock Lesnar Was given the ultimate push: youngest WWE Champion ever, King of the Ring, Royal Rumble Winner, WrestleMania main event winner: all in less than three years. Kurt Angle can't even compare to that. The Rock can't compare to that. The Undertaker can't compare to that. No one can. Lesnar was going to be the biggest star in the WWE, and a main event runner for a long time to come. Instead, he left the company, and his push was completely wasted. 2 - Rob Van Dam The reasons said above; he was major over, the biggest star of the Alliance, and was buried into mid-carderdom forever more. 3 - Chris Jericho Given the WCW Title and made to look like a bitch with it. Given the Undisputed Championship and made to look like a bitch with it, playing second fiddle to the Stephanie/Triple H garbage leading up to WrestleMania X-8. Fucking arguments over a dog - Jesus Christ. 4 - Matt Hardy I don't even want to begin with how big he could have been if they had done the angle right, instead of those blatant and obvious attacks and getting jobbed like a pussy punk bitch who doesn't belong in a wrestling ring in his first match back. 5 - Booker T I really feel that if he had cleanly won the World Title from Triple H at XIX, Booker T would be in a much better position today than he is now. That was his match, he needed to win that match, it would've been the absolute pinnacle of his career. But no. They waste it on a fucking Ric Flair run in, and a series of matches between HHH and Kevin Nash that nobody wanted to see.

12-23-2005, 08:23 AM	#22
addy2hotty yes. yes. yes. Posts: 2,753	I've gotta agree with the norm here. 1 - RVD. I was shocked at how popular he became. I will never forget him standing in the ring with all the Alliance guys INCLUDING Austin, and get chanted for. I can't think of another wrestler since Austin's been around to achieve that. When RVD beat then-champion Kurt Angle to get Austin a title shot, I felt that was probably the best moment of the entire Alliance-angle, and SURELY should have led to an RVD - Austin feud. He was pushed to an extent, Vince asking him to join the WWF, but that 'lone-ranger' between the brands stuation never happened, and we all missed out BIGTIME. I think Van Dam is like Jericho in a sense, he doesn't 'need' the title like others do. Shame. 2. Christian. What a ball dropped here. I mean crazy. They slowly pushed a Cena - Christian feud for months and months and then Cena turns up on Raw, and Christian comes out and bad mouths him. I THOUGHT that was going to be a turning point for the brand. Another false dawn. Christian gets destroyed for the simple purposes of a Jericho - Cena feud, which to be honest was seemingly more about album sales then it was a title. I can't even take Cena and his stupid belt seriously anyway. 3 - Kane. Seriously, who is more skilled, more intense or a better 'big guy' then Kane. His BIG feuds have always been entertaining, he's an excellent actor (his chat with Orton before WM on Raw was GOLD), he's as consistant as any wrestler in the business in the ring and despite the unmasking he's still World Championship class. Kane should win the title at NYR, they are pushing him as a monster, so lets have Kane win the title and then the Tag Champions break down and feud over it. What a nice change that would make. 4 - Y2J. Disclaimer - Being a absolute Jericho mark means that I think he's the greatest wrestler to have lived. I can't (with the exception of the Trish-Christian feud) think of one decent feud he had since he dropped the title. He should be a 3 or 4 time champion now. Every one talks about his poor run as champion, I don't think it was THAT poor. Ignore Wrestlemania and the build up, and look at the mini-feud with the Rock. (I am not a joke!). Since his loss to Trips at Mania, I think they've had one match but they've teased with confrontations that almost make you wonder if they get on in real life. Perhaps thats why he's underutilised, or perhaps like RvD, he likes to put over the new talent. I hope somewhere down the line to see a heel Jericho as World Champion again, but I'm not holding my breath. 5 - HHH. Now bare with me here. Triple H has been the same old boring generic heel for years now. The same old promos, the same old matches. HAD The Game got some of the Triple H of 2000 back, then I wonder if we would all dislike him quite so much. He used to be the intense arrogant heel back then, with a cocky nature that made him almost, cool. In recent years he's just been Mr Intensity, grunting and growling into the mic and hanging around with that has-been Flair (who is STILL IC CHAMP, WHAT THE F*CK IS THAT ABOUT?), while only putting over the one guy, Batista. Had the Game freshened up his character, maybe even been a tweener for a while (or even gone to SD when Eddie was champ), I think it would have been a much better time for the whole business.

12-23-2005, 11:36 AM	#24
Morgan Backlund Authorised Posts: 978	I don't think Triple H should be in the same list as Jericho, kane and RVD but you had some good points there. I remember the WWE title match he had with Eddie on the draft show after WMXX. It would of done good to freshen him up, and considering the quality of SD in 2004, it would have been helpful. The London/Chavo/Kidman thing would have been a really good CW title storyline.

12-23-2005, 12:15 PM	#25
Mr. JL Posts: 4,834	1. Christian: This guy should be main eventing every other WWE Pay Per View, instead he's stuck in TNA and soon to be jobbing to Jeff Jarrett. 2. Rob Van Dam: The guy was FUCKING HUGE over! 3. Chris Jericho: Honestly, how can you book a credible, believable title reign on someone who was jobbed out twice, (both on RAW and Smack Down) before his big PPV win? Not to mention the fans wanted him to be a face and not a heel. Or the piss poor booking of his main event match at Wrestle Mania 18. 4. Kane: This guy could have been huge back in late 2002 when he returned from injury and again in 2003 when the mask came off. 5. Goldberg: Yes, lets put a Goldust wig on Mr. Bill Goldberg.... it worked for Dustin! Other notable mentions go to Diamond Dallas Page, Matt Hardy, Randy Orton and Booker T.

12-23-2005, 10:17 PM	#26
zach Posts: 87	test - could've been the next kevin nash, except for the fact that he was the next kevin nash and constantly hurt himself. remember when he broke his own nose getting into the ring? that was tremendous

12-23-2005, 10:37 PM	#27
Savio Spammy Certified Posts: 46,116	Kane, Hassan, Orton, nWo, Christian.

12-23-2005, 11:49 PM	#28
G-wrath go away Posts: 2,895	Christian Jericho Benjaman Matt Hardy Booker T

12-23-2005, 11:49 PM	#29
Rob Part time poster Posts: 22,963	Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero should have all been pushed to the moon when they won the world title. Jericho should have been made a main event player when he "won" the WWF title from HHH. He was as over as anyone in the company at that time and the people were dying for him to be the new big babyface champion. Bill Goldberg was pissed on from day one. Rob Van Dam should have probably been world champion within 6 months of his debut. Those 5 for sure should have been bigger. Christian certainly deserved a bigger push but he never even got something resembling one. Guys like Scott Steiner, Booker T (aside from when he worked HHH at Mania and should have been champion) and Kane have gotten as big as they probably would have considering their respective talent levels at the time they first received their big push. Lance Storm, William Regal and Edge deserved bigger shots but Edge will probably still get his. Tazz could have and should have been a bigger superstar but when you are smaller than 5ft8 and don't look after yourself months after your debut, you can't ask for much. Still, he was over until his last match so they really don't have any real excuses to why he wasn't at least a decent IC champion.

12-24-2005, 12:11 AM	#30
Boondock Saint Posts: 8,795	lol forgot all about Steiner in WWE.

12-30-2005, 08:52 PM	#32
Batsu Capcom's Corporate Champ Posts: 2,571	A lot of these failed pushes can be attributed to McMahon short-sightedness...and the decline of the WWE product (especially with regards to move restrictions).

12-30-2005, 10:54 PM	#33
Chico Super serial Posts: 108	DDP comes to mind immediately. He was a former WCW champ, but his gimmick as Sara's stalker totally ruined his WWF/E career. Did he even hit any Diamond Cutters when he was the stalker?

12-31-2005, 12:12 AM	#34
The One Boss Posts: 17,611	Taz, DDP, Goldberg, Steiner, and Booker T. If you were a World Champ elsewhere, don't count on doing SHIT once Vinnie Mac gets to ya.