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Old 02-09-2004, 06:12 PM   #1
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DISCUSSION: The Proper way to push Randy Orton and Sean O'Haire.....etc.
DISCUSSION: The Proper way to push Randy Orton and Sean O'Haire.....etc.

In my opinion, here would be the IDEAL way to push Randy Orton and Sean O'Haire.

Randy Orton

-After jobbing to Foley at Wrestlemania (in the tag match; Rock/Foley vs. Orton/Batista), have him get a return victory at Backlash a month later (to re-establish himself as a 'legend killer'). The Backlash match will be one on one.

-After his victory over Foley, Randy Orton stars challenging other 'legends'. For PPV matches, the WWE temporarily hires guys like Randy Savage (on an appearance basis), etc. to fight Orton. They all job to Orton. Orton even takes on his father in a PPV match. Eventually - Randy Orton turns on Flair and defeats him as well.

-After this, Randy Orton challenges.............Hulk Hogan to a match (Summerslam?). This *officially* is Hogan's last match in the WWE (). Orton defeats Hogan and becomes known as the man that "ended" Hulk Hogan. If Oldschool Undertaker is still around, Randy Orton can challenge Taker to a match (interpromotional feud). Orton takes him out as well. Even The Rock (comes back for another match?) falls victim to Randy Orton. Orton is still Intercontinental champ throughout this whole ordeal by the way.


-Basically, Orton "truly" does become a legend killer. After ALL of this has taken place, Orton gets pushed to the main-event level (and feuds with whomever is the champ at this time whether it be Chris Benoit, Kane, or a face Triple H). Orton "flukely" drops the belt to a mid-carder such as Booker T (thanks to an interference by the World Champion at the time), and this marks the beginning of Orton's main-event push. Orton vs. World Champion.

Perhaps all of the above can happen within a 8-12 month span.


Sean O'Haire:

First off - I am GLAD that the WWE are holding off Sean O'Haire right now. WHY? you may ask? Think about it. In the last year and a half or so, the WWE have spend a LOT of time building up Lesnar, Orton, and Cena.......3 NEW guys. If the WWE were to push O'Haire at this same time, perhaps O'Haire's potential "heat" would be lost (due to being overshadowed by the other 'new' guys).

Once Orton, Lesnar, and Cena have fully been established (and I think they have pretty much reached that point now), THEN re-introduce Sean O'Haire. That way - Sean O'Haire looks like "the new guy" and therefore, all of the 'new guy' heat will now be focused on him.

I also suspect that the WWE are giving O'Haire some time off of TV, so that they can give him a better gimmick. The WWE KNOWS that they have something gold in O'Haire. Not only does he have "the look", but he has the size as well.

I've mentioned this before, but I wouldn't mind seeing O'Haire re-debut with a "well-known" manager. I'm not talking about someone TOO high profile (like Rowdy Roddy Piper, Paul Bearer, McMahon's, etc.,), but someone who can get O'Haire 'over', but not take away O'Haire's heat.

I am talking about Chyna; the 9th Wonder of the World

Think about it. Tazz and Cole can talk about the 'greatness' of Chyna........and how she initially helped Triple H get to the top of the business.

Sean O'Haire can easily be a main-event heel for the future. In some ways, I am glad that the WWE are holding him off right now.........so that they can think of the PERFECT way to give him a sensational push once they have firmly established the guys that they are currently trying to 'establish'.

But hey - I'm not telling you something, that you didn't already know.
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Old 02-09-2004, 06:18 PM   #2
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Definitely a neat point of view, and some good stuff in there, but I don't like the idea of having Orton lay down at Wrestlemania then feed him all the top names. I think the Legend Killer part is great, but if he fights The Rock, The Undertaker, or anyone like that, at this point and time and even later in this year, they had better kick his ass, imo.
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Old 02-09-2004, 06:21 PM   #3
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Definitely a neat point of view, and some good stuff in there, but I don't like the idea of having Orton lay down at Wrestlemania then feed him all the top names. I think the Legend Killer part is great, but if he fights The Rock, The Undertaker, or anyone like that, at this point and time and even later in this year, they had better kick his ass, imo.
I'm thinking that with Undertaker and The Rock, they can have one victory over Orton. Orton then gets a return victory?

As far as Mania goes, I'm thinking that Foley could pin Orton under the premise that it's a tag match (i.e. Evolution vs. Rock N'Sock). Maybe Batista inadvertently screws up and puts Orton in a precarious position?
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Old 02-09-2004, 06:24 PM   #4
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I think they're doing great with Orton, I'd like to see his push continue at a slow and careful pace. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy to rush, wouldn't want him to get ruined. I think he's great with the IC strap right now, needs some more victories under his belt with some of the high-midcarders (the match with RVD was a good example) before he can step into the ring with the big boys and make it believable when he wins.

I'd hate to see them do what they did with Brock Lesnar.
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Old 02-09-2004, 06:26 PM   #5
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Yeah I agree. I love Foley and I love The Rock even more, but I don't think Orton should lay down in that match directly.
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I think they're doing great with Orton, I'd like to see his push continue at a slow and careful pace. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy to rush, wouldn't want him to get ruined. I think he's great with the IC strap right now, needs some more victories under his belt with some of the high-midcarders (the match with RVD was a good example) before he can step into the ring with the big boys and make it believable when he wins.

I'd hate to see them do what they did with Brock Lesnar.
Yeah - I see what you're saying.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that they should make Orton (the Intercontinental champion) to look 'no less' than whomever the World Champion is............kind of like when Stone Cold was being built up in 97'.

Getting wins over ALL of those legends is probably a bit too excessive, but maybe even just one or two of those would be enough.
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Hell yeah, I agree 100%. Randy Orton is clearly something to work with. He is material and he's raw. I think that just may happen though, Orton, if he defends his title more often after the Foley feud, will bring some serious credibility back to the Intercontinental Title, rather than the kind of "Mid-Card Title" flavor it has right now.
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Old 02-10-2004, 01:35 PM   #8
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How to push Orton and O'Haire?

Hmm...well, for Orton I'd prefer if they pushed him right out the front door.

Now, as for O'Haire. I think he would've been perfect for the Eddy/Chavo split, especially with the whole devil's advocate gimmick. I think he'd fit better on Raw right now, maybe mix him into the Christian/Trish/Jericho storyline.

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Old 02-10-2004, 01:38 PM   #9
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Hmm...well, for Orton I'd prefer if they pushed him right out the front door.
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I don't like the idea of bringing back legends to feed Orton. The legend killer is a good gimmick but it shouldn't be the central aspect of his character. If he continues to only face legends then it alienates him from the rest of the roster. Also if you are bringind in all of those old wrestlers to fight for the IC title you are taking away the belts credibility and hurting the wrestlers who actually deserve it. Plus its been proven that bringing back old wrestlers doesn't do much for ratings.

I would get Orton over by having him take out HHH, thus also helping HHH who needs a character change. HHH loses the title at Wrestlemania. Next night on Raw Orton takes out Triple H and takes control of Evolution. He'll give a whole bit about how only the strongest survive in the WWE and how Triple H is no longer the strongest. Orton is now the leader of Evolution with Batista and possibly Flair. At Backlash you could either have Orton vs Foley or Orton vs Flair where Orton goes over in either case.

I don't know when Triple H is due back from filming his movie but Orton would have fueds with Jericho and possibly Benoit depending on how long HHH is out for.

Eventually HHH comes back, costs Orton the IC belt and gets into a fued with him. From there he can go into a fued with Benoit for the title.
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If you're gonna feed that many legends to Orton, it should be over a larger period or time.

The gimmick's seriously good, and it's got potential. No need to shoot their wad just yet. I'd like to see him have time todevelop with the Foley angle and afterwards before he puts away another couple of legends.
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I think the only reason O'Haire is off tv right now is because he's still recovering from his motorcycle accident.

But when he returns I would like for him to still have his gimmick which they had all those promos for
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What exactly IS O'Haire's gimmick?

He's never on telly so I don't know.
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What exactly IS O'Haire's gimmick?

He's never on telly so I don't know.
Thank Of It, As The Devil on Your shoulder, You know in the Cartoons, When you have the Angel on one shoulder and the Devil on the other, trying to help you deceide what to do, O'Haire would be the Devil side of it
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