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Old 10-01-2006, 10:06 AM   #1
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The Kane character.
How is Kane still over not only with marks but also with some internet smarks? I mean - he's a decent in ring talent at best, but thats not my beef with him. His character development is the most inconsistent of all WWE's character creations which just ruin him in general for me.

From being locked in the basement for 20 years, to drink driving after a party and killing Katey Vick, to torturing animals on the way to school and never being burnt at all in the first place among other things.

I realise that what I've written is not new - and almost everybody on the board has said the same thing at one point or another, but it still bugs me. How the hell has Kane stayed over without being booed or shitted on by the fans?


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Old 10-01-2006, 10:11 AM   #2
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I don't think it's really because of the gimmick, but because he's actually a decent big man.

It could also be contributed, at least partially, to nostalgia. I know what I'm about to say doesn't make sense, but even with all the inconsistencies, the base character stayed fairly consistant since his debut. He's a monster and always has been, and the monster gimmick is one of the more popular gimmicks. The fact that Kane can deliever decent matches and great brawls only adds to it.
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Old 10-01-2006, 10:24 AM   #3
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He's a solid large wrestler and one of the few names who hasn't deteriorated in quality over the last decade?
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Old 10-01-2006, 10:29 AM   #4
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I hate Kane. I don't even think hes a good wrestler anymore.
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Old 10-01-2006, 10:31 AM   #5
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Xero and KK hit the nail on the head. Kane's a solid big man, and he actually seems to be just as good as he used to be. He's perhaps even getting to wrestle more these days than he used to back when he was booked as a monster.

I also think a lot of it has to do with pity. We all feel sorry for a good character that's been turned to shit due to years of retcons and bad writing.
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Old 10-01-2006, 11:40 AM   #7
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More or less I simply agree with Xero. This are not solely my own ideas, but they are the reasons I feel to be true as well.
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Old 10-01-2006, 11:29 AM   #8
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Kane is one of the Best big men in the WWE, ever. Not saying he is one of the best overall ever, but in terms of big men, he is light years ahead of Khali, nathan Jones, Matt Morgan, Abyss and so forth.

name another legit big man in the ring not on that list...There hasnt been many successfull big men.

Top 5 Big Men
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2)Taker
3)Kane
4) Bam Bam Bigelow(terribly booked but good in the ring)
5) Big Show
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:52 AM   #9
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Kane is one of the Best big men in the WWE, ever. Not saying he is one of the best overall ever, but in terms of big men, he is light years ahead of Khali, nathan Jones, Matt Morgan, Abyss and so forth.

name another legit big man in the ring not on that list...There hasnt been many successfull big men.

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2)Taker
3)Kane
4) Bam Bam Bigelow(terribly booked but good in the ring)
5) Big Show
Tbh Matt Morgan & Abyss aren't to bad. Morgan's fairly good in the ring, and Abyss is a can put on a pretty solid match.
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Old 10-02-2006, 04:45 PM   #10
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Tbh Matt Morgan & Abyss aren't to bad. Morgan's fairly good in the ring, and Abyss is a can put on a pretty solid match.

While Morgan is improving his is not near Kane in terms of match quality.

Abyss is crap crap crap crap crap.

He needs to be booked with solid workers to carry the match. Other than throwing people through tables and on thumbtacks he sucks in the ring.

He is good in hardcore rules though
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Old 10-02-2006, 05:10 PM   #11
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While Morgan is improving his is not near Kane in terms of match quality.

Abyss is crap crap crap crap crap.

He needs to be booked with solid workers to carry the match. Other than throwing people through tables and on thumbtacks he sucks in the ring.

He is good in hardcore rules though
When have we ever seen Abyss not in Hardcore match or a squash match?

Don't think you have enough to go on to make that assumption.
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While Morgan is improving his is not near Kane in terms of match quality.

Abyss is crap crap crap crap crap.

He needs to be booked with solid workers to carry the match. Other than throwing people through tables and on thumbtacks he sucks in the ring.

He is good in hardcore rules though
Aside from the having to be carried part, that's basically Foley in a nutshell.
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Old 10-02-2006, 05:20 PM   #13
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Aside from the having to be carried part, that's basically Foley in a nutshell.
I totally disgaree. Foley knew how to work a match, play to the crowd, and his timing was great. He wasn't a technical great, but he was fantastic. Go back and review some old Foley matches and you will see the man was an awesome bumping machine and basically a human dart board, but he didn't need that stuff to have a good match.
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Old 10-02-2006, 05:59 PM   #14
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Aside from the having to be carried part, that's basically Foley in a nutshell.
The difference is, while Foley wasn't a brilliant in-ring worker, he could carry his own. That's a pretty important thing here. While he's not a top tier athelete, he was atheletic enough for a fake sport that deals primarily in entertainment. Abyss couldn't touch Foley's jockstrap, let alone compare to Mankind, glorified stuntman or not.

The only thing he's got going for him is he's significantly more fit. But fit doesn't make you particularly good.
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Old 10-01-2006, 12:06 PM   #15
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No, I meant I was typing something similar out but then I saw you posted it.
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Old 10-01-2006, 01:02 PM   #16
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Old 10-01-2006, 01:09 PM   #17
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Old 10-01-2006, 12:09 PM   #18
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I'm pretty much just going to echo everyone else's sentiments here. Kane is a solid big guy who doesn't fail to entertain me, regardless of what shitty storyline they decided to stick him in. I can't explain why marks dig Kane (fire? I know I like fire), but I think smarks can still get behind him based on respect. He's endured a lot crap over the years, but he's still going.
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Kane is terrible. His gimmick is stale and played-out, he has never been good in the ring and is especially terrible now. Just God awful
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Kane is my favorite RAW guy. He is a good worker that can wrestle anyone, He has never complained about the shitty runs he has been given, and everything about his entrance is cool. If the Kane of today had the look of Kane when he debuted, he would be the best character on TV.
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Old 10-01-2006, 01:44 PM   #22
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Kane is my favorite RAW guy. He is a good worker that can wrestle anyone, He has never complained about the shitty runs he has been given, and everything about his entrance is cool. If the Kane of today had the look of Kane when he debuted, he would be the best character on TV.
There's an old adage about not judging someone by how they handle success, but how they handle failure. Glen's handled being jobbed out to everyone under the sun, and has always continued to show a professional and intense persona. Even if he doesn't like it, I've never seen him show it.

Some people, you can tell when they're not into it.
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I don't understand how anyone likes the guy, I really don't.
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Well, reading this thread might help some...
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I'm all for opinion, but I'll go out on a limb right now and say that if you like Kane, your opinion is wrong.
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Maybe his lack of major success is a good thing, because I would hate for this guy to become as lazy as taker, or as political as HHH.
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Old 10-01-2006, 05:57 PM   #28
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Unfortunately, we still get lazy workers out of it. It's just they're the people who go over him.
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Old 10-01-2006, 06:06 PM   #29
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Yeh, Kane is a real workhorse. Think of all the five star matches he's had this year.
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Old 10-01-2006, 06:36 PM   #30
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I'm also a huge Kane mark, but its like Ben said, the inconsistent storylines don't seem to bother the people who are behind him. I just laugh off all the fuck ups. One that I havent actually seen mentioned before though, seeing as its so small, yet made me think is this :

Paul Bearer brought Kane in with one purpose, to destroy the Undertaker.

6 years on, Kane finally does this, supposedly, by burying him alive.

A few months later, the Undertaker returns as the Deadman, with none other than Paul Bearer at his side.....
Paul walks towards the ring, which Kane is already in, looks at Kane and shouts 'You're no son of mine!'....

Interesting. He brought his son in to defeat the Undertaker, he finally does it, and then hes wrong for doing it.

Once again a round of applause goes to the WWE
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Old 10-01-2006, 09:19 PM   #31
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Yeh, Kane is a real workhorse. Think of all the five star matches he's had this year.
How many guys 300lbs+ have five star matches? Kane's purpose is entertainment first. For a guy his size, he could bring a really lame "hoss" style, but he actually tries to adapt some psychology into his stuff. His matches with Umaga have actually been pretty good. It'll be great to see them at Cyber Sunday when they get to cut loose with weapons, etc.
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Old 10-01-2006, 06:29 PM   #32
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I've never minded Kane. He's decent in-ring, and like others have said, he's put up with a lot of shit over the years yet we don't hear him causing any trouble backstage. I've never been a huge fan of him but I agree with Xero, his basic monster persona has always remained true. X-Pac and Tori pussified him for a bit I guess, but usually they always build him up as a monster.

When his pyro goes off you know he's prolly gonna kick some ass. Whoever is in the ring looks like they just shit their pants, it makes him look like a real threat.
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Old 10-01-2006, 07:50 PM   #33
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Its just Kane has good matchs, an interesting charactor and is one of a handful of good bigs guys left in entertainment. Kane = some ratings
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Old 10-01-2006, 09:58 PM   #34
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I like you Alienoid, but let's be honest, comparing him to stiffs just shows he's a stiff.
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Old 10-01-2006, 10:05 PM   #35
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I like you Alienoid, but let's be honest, comparing him to stiffs just shows he's a stiff.
Well, I'm probably not the best person to comment on his abilities. Kane was my favourite wrestler when I started watching, back when I didn't wet myself for Angle vs. Benoit (I could appreciate it, but I didn't wet myself). I can see why you'd think he is fairly cloddish in the ring. I do think he he's a better than average big man, though. He's got years in the business, and works pretty well with talent.

I mean, if you're going to have a big man, you may as well get a big man that doesn't botch every move in the ring, or run the risk of dangering other workers. I think "competent" is the best word to describe Kane in the ring.
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Old 10-01-2006, 10:25 PM   #36
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Does anyone here expect 5 star matches?

The guy's a solid worker. Nobody's claiming he's Kurt Angle.
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Old 10-01-2006, 11:42 PM   #37
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Old 10-02-2006, 12:39 AM   #38
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Kanes absolutely a workehorse. Hes a great wrestler for a guy his size and holds himself together no matter what they have him doing, hes a backbone of the midcard and hes there when they need him. Hes been misused, jobbed out and held back and hes managed to still go out there and work with a sense of pride, at least in his matches.
He deserves a run, and to hold the title, at least once (the 24hr reign barely counts). I think the best thing for Kane at this point would be to have time off, not that I wish injury on him, but for him to able to make a big return after some time off and go to smackdown where they could easily use him in the main event, perhaps even with the mask and long hair again at least for a while.
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:19 AM   #39
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The Kane of today benefits from the Kane of yesteryear.

His feuds with Undertaker, Triple H and Stone Cold Steve Austin cemented him as a main event player during the Attitude Era.

But let's face it. He hasn't done anything worthwhile since he took off the mask. He's marginal at best in the ring, and his style is often very predictable and boring to watch. His matches feel like a taped recording being played over and over again. And the Chokeslam just doesn't have the same effect it once did. And let's not even go into his mic skills, which are basically non-existant.

He's lucky to be who he is and where he is. Much more talented wrestlers have been fired, demoted and used for shit, while Kane has always seemed to have a nice spot on the card, despite not being very interesting.
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I'm really not a fan of Kane. I used to like him back when he was all crazy with a mask. Now its all crap.

He just bores the hell out of me.
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