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Old 11-14-2006, 12:44 PM   #1
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Honestly, the past 3-4 episodes of RAW weren't the best shows ever, but there are pretty god damn decent. For people to say that "this was the worst RAW show in a long time", just stop fucking watching it and tune in to TNA. Maybe you can help their ratings out so that they can compete with the WWE's brands. Damn, i understand that the WWE COULD do better and COULD push better people but for what they've got right now, they are doing pretty fucking well. There isn't a ROCK, SCSA, or whatnot right now sweeping the wrestling world, so don't expect the same shit you watched during 1997-2000.

Honestly, i think the majority of posters post what they do because others are doing it and feel that they should jump on the bandwagon. There cannot be THAT many Cena haters on TPWW. Face it:

-Orton dropped the ball when he had the title. Maybe he will get another chance, but he dropped it.

-Cena is the best thing the WWE has got right now as a marketable character so if you don't want to watch him, THEN DON'T. He is not THAT bad as some of you rant about. Remember, most of his character now is NOT creative control.

-I don't know about any of you, but DX has been doing some funny shit lately and their promo with Cryme Tyme Monday was CLASSIC. Sure, some stuff is a little immature, but for the most part they have been A-. Speaking of Cryme Tyme, fucking genius.

I'm not ranting, but at the same time i'm just tired of people not even giving these shows a chance at ALL.
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Old 11-14-2006, 12:47 PM   #2
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I wouldn't call Cena 'bad' I would say 'Stale' he needs something to freshen his character up a little.
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Old 11-14-2006, 12:53 PM   #3
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The only thing that pissed me off was that they turned Eugene heel last week, and acted like it never happened this week. DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR MIDCARDERS ALREADY!!! FUCK!!
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Old 11-14-2006, 05:49 PM   #4
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The only thing that pissed me off was that they turned Eugene heel last week, and acted like it never happened this week. DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR MIDCARDERS ALREADY!!! FUCK!!


I thought the fact that he tried to attack their two biggest faces was probably a heelish thing to do?

Remember there is still some consistency in WWE. While he may now be a heel, he is also still retarded and they can't exactly have him come out and act like Edge, can they?

Hacksaw probably wasn't available to come over to the UK or something so they decided to have him go against their top two faces for a segment.

Don't worry, you'll get your Eugene heel feud next week
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Old 11-14-2006, 12:57 PM   #5
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"I don't think it's bad, so none of you should either. If you're not jumping on my bandwagon, then you're on the bandwagon!"
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:02 PM   #6
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Once again, assuming KK. Like everything that you say is the 'public' or 'general' POV. I am stating that people ARE jumping on bandwagons and never look at ANY positive aspects of RAW. Examples of those are what i stated. Yes, some may be my personal opinions, but those examples are some of what i see on TPWW. I could list more.
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:24 PM   #7
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I am stating that people ARE jumping on bandwagons and never look at ANY positive aspects of RAW.

I look at the positive aspects of Raw, as I'm sure alot of other people do as well. But the reason people are so decisive on how bad Raw is (or any other WWE program), is because the negatives far outweigh the positives.

Yes, there are positive aspects, 90 percent of the time there's going to be something positive, but that doesn't make the show good just because it had one or two positives. There's more negatives with every show. That's the problem. Sure, they might've changed something, and it might be a little better than it was in the weeks prior. But they screw things up more than anything else.

Hence, yes, it's going to be hard to please people who have watched for a while, and know that the WWE could be doing alot better than they currently are.
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:10 PM   #8
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No, I'm not assuming. I'm mocking.

But thanks for being a hypocrite, calling me on assumption and then making assumptions yourself.

I know the concept of me being a smartass is such an alien concept, because I am so dreadfully serious so much of the time, but please. Try to assume it's possible that I'm merely mocking your preseltysing, not doing so myself.
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:14 PM   #9
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I couldn't give a shit if I'm on a bandwagon or not quite frankly
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:25 PM   #10
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No, I'm not assuming. I'm mocking.

But thanks for being a hypocrite, calling me on assumption and then making assumptions yourself.

I know the concept of me being a smartass is such an alien concept, because I am so dreadfully serious so much of the time, but please. Try to assume it's possible that I'm merely mocking your preseltysing, not doing so myself.
Sure, mocking. While mocking me, you are making the assumption that i feel the way in which you are mocking me. Whether you want to agree with that or not is irrelavent right now as far as i am concerned.

Back to the topic on hand.
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:59 PM   #11
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Sure, mocking. While mocking me, you are making the assumption that i feel the way in which you are mocking me. Whether you want to agree with that or not is irrelavent right now as far as i am concerned.

Back to the topic on hand.
Ignoring that you made that up, I would like to jump on your bandwagon.
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Old 11-14-2006, 04:53 PM   #12
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:23 PM   #13
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That's just the bandwagon talking, john.
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:26 PM   #14
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The bandwagon ran me down. O'course I'm gonna complain
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Bandwagons tend to run you down if you don't agree with them.
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then steal your picture of your g/f and masturbate on it and put it back and then...

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You'd have to sit in the front just in case we get pulled by the police. I'm sure you could get out of a ticket
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u're just saying that because I give a mean blowjob.
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yea, really.
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I'm not ranting, but at the same time i'm just tired of people not even giving these shows a chance at ALL.
I've been giving the show a chance, for almost 2 years when I've pretty much disliked it all. Yesterday's Raw was pretty terrible, but then again, the shows from abroad normally are. Cryme Time, in my book, are a poor version of the Guerreros. This Lie/cheat/steal shit has been done, now we have another 'racial stereotype' group doing the same thing. The DX skit with them was not funny at all, in fact, most of it was stolen from Airplane for fucks sake.

I haven't liked Cena since the heated rapping stopped. He is simply, a childs character, the Hulk Hogan of the Noughties. He's not even the hippity hop character he was a year ago, even JR said 'its The Marine!' when he came out.

We're seeing mid-card title changes every week almost, Edge is a 200-time tag champion now, what good is that gonna do, except give Trips and Michaels the DX tag title run they've probably always wanted?

This Raw was totally about outside the ring activities, which resulted in the clusterfuck that we got. The 'main event' openly in the middle of the show. A terrible Cena vs Umaga feud starting because there simply isn't any heels left for Cena to fight, except for Orton, which they are so obviously saving for Wrestlemania it's ridiculous. I can say already with a degree of certainty that Orton will win the Rumble.

The entertaining ones, Carlito/Benjamin for example are hardly on the fucking show.

You say that there isn't a Rock/Austin on the show almost like it's an excuse for mediocrity in the writing of the show. I say that when Rock/Austin was on the show, merch sales flowed in irrespective of what they did. Nowadays that money stream isn't so constant, so DX and Cena are made so babyface it's sickening.

You say Raw has been great, I say it's been shit and my opinion matters more.
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I've been giving the show a chance, for almost 2 years when I've pretty much disliked it all. Yesterday's Raw was pretty terrible, but then again, the shows from abroad normally are. Cryme Time, in my book, are a poor version of the Guerreros. This Lie/cheat/steal shit has been done, now we have another 'racial stereotype' group doing the same thing. The DX skit with them was not funny at all, in fact, most of it was stolen from Airplane for fucks sake.
Ya know, sometimes you can just tell when people are stretching for criticisms, and this is one of those times. So what if eddie/chavo did that gimmick before? It's got its magic so they decided to bring it back wih a twist this time. They make me laugh atleast, that segment with Shelton and then later with DX was quite funny, Stop taking it so seriously.

As for the starter of this thread, you're basically saying that just cause you're liking raw then everybody else must. Well get this mate, you can't please everyone. Especially when most of the card just sems like a bunch of filler matches and reminds me every week why the roster split needs to end.
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As for the starter of this thread, you're basically saying that just cause you're liking raw then everybody else must. Well get this mate, you can't please everyone. Especially when most of the card just sems like a bunch of filler matches and reminds me every week why the roster split needs to end.
NO WAI, MAN, THATs AN ASSUMPTION! DONT ASSUME HIS POINT!

The real problem isn't that they can't please everyone, it's that they can't please anyone. In the course of 2-3 months, they've lost nearly one fucking million people.

Again, one of the main reasons I mocked Vegas. This shit is fucking idiotic. There is no defense for Raw right now, none at all. Losing .8 points is serious shit, as it's around a million people (Depending on the slot, 1 point can mean as much as 3.6 million, IIRC the peaks), maybe more.

(Editor's note: Raw has lost well over a million viewers, bordering on two, since July. So it's the last 4 months, but it's well over a million viewers. More recently, their shows have dumped at least half a million people in FOUR WEEKS)

Vegas' argument is bordering on MAKE IT OR BREAK IT's "bad apples" conspiracy theory. It's good, it's just so many people are hating it because it's cool. Well, if the IWC is that influential, if we can make them shed millions of viewers, they'd better start pandering to us.
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Ya know, sometimes you can just tell when people are stretching for criticisms, and this is one of those times. So what if eddie/chavo did that gimmick before? It's got its magic so they decided to bring it back wih a twist this time. They make me laugh atleast, that segment with Shelton and then later with DX was quite funny, Stop taking it so seriously.
Well, I'm glad it makes you laugh, and so is Stephanie McMahon obviously. Sadly, I can't find anything funny in 25 year old jokes wrapped in a 4 year old gimmick. If they actually did different things to what the Guerreros did, then perhaps it would be funny. If they had done the skit with DX and demanded the $10000 for 2 tickets, that would have been funny. What next, at the Rumble, they STEAL someone elses numbers?

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It's good, it's just so many people are hating it because it's cool.
Although your posts are ironic throughout, I will say this, I don't 'hate on' Raw because it's cool to do so. I hate on it because it's currently a terrible product.
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Well, I'm glad it makes you laugh, and so is Stephanie McMahon obviously. Sadly, I can't find anything funny in 25 year old jokes wrapped in a 4 year old gimmick. If they actually did different things to what the Guerreros did, then perhaps it would be funny. If they had done the skit with DX and demanded the $10000 for 2 tickets, that would have been funny. What next, at the Rumble, they STEAL someone elses numbers?
Like I said, you can't please everyone. I personally find them to be one of the few entertaining things left on Raw. Just cause a gimmick has been done before doesn't mean it's lost its magic.
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Old 11-14-2006, 10:05 PM   #29
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Although your posts are ironic throughout, I will say this, I don't 'hate on' Raw because it's cool to do so. I hate on it because it's currently a terrible product.
You do realise, I was summing up Vermaat's beliefs, not stating my own.
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I'm not on a bandwagon, I'm honestly losing interest in Raw. I was really enjoying it but the past couple of weeks, it has seemed to have gotten much worse.
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I give it every chance in the world but the fact is it's boring. There's NOTHING happening in any storyline. They're not building new characters, and their top guys aren't top guys. The matches are all very similar. It's just not improving or getting worse. Same shit over and over.
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I haven't watched the last few episodes of RAW and don't really care. This coming from someone whos been a devoted fan to wrestling my entire life. I've taken the advice of board members, Jim Ross, the WWE and others - if you don't like what your seeing - don't watch the product.
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So all of the 4 million or so viewers who abandoned the company around 2002 are just hopping aboard a bandwagon?
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And why should we watch TNA just because we don't like the WWE? If it's bad, too, then using your argument, we shouldn't watch it.
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What i was saying was people state "These shows (WWE) are going to make me watch TNA even more, etc." So i said hell, watch TNA and don't watch WWE. Simply as that.

People, my statements are targeting specific people. If you say such things and whatnot, then feel the wrath bitch. But if not, then this is not towards you.
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What i was saying was people state "These shows (WWE) are going to make me watch TNA even more, etc." So i said hell, watch TNA and don't watch WWE. Simply as that.

People, my statements are targeting specific people. If you say such things and whatnot, then feel the wrath bitch. But if not, then this is not towards you.
I'm assuming that I was one of the specific people due to my comments on the Raw thread.

I'm yet to feel the wrath, what I am feeling is a lot of incoherent arguments in which you don't put your point across particularly well.

All in all, I may still watch Raw, and if I do and dislike it, i will explain my opinions and if you don't like my opinions, I'd suggest not reading them. As my opinion matters more.
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I'm assuming that I was one of the specific people due to my comments on the Raw thread.

I'm yet to feel the wrath, what I am feeling is a lot of incoherent arguments in which you don't put your point across particularly well.

All in all, I may still watch Raw, and if I do and dislike it, i will explain my opinions and if you don't like my opinions, I'd suggest not reading them. As my opinion matters more.

Is that some kind of gimmick you are trying to get over. Because you've said it twice and i still dont give a neck-breaking fuck.

What i am saying is this. People expect too much out of RAW because of it's past. Now its not wrong to have high expectations, yet some people here seem to be biased, IMO. I will admit that RAW isn't the best that it could be and that it may have to do with some of the WWE talent scouts/writers being straight dumbasses, but if it is that bad, then just dont watch it. Yea, easier said than done, but its not that hard to do either.

The problem with the WWE writing as a whole is that those who grew up watching it and were loyal fans have GROWN UP, yet they fail to realize that.

My Point: Cryme Tyme is the shit
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Is that some kind of gimmick you are trying to get over. Because you've said it twice and i still dont give a neck-breaking fuck.

What i am saying is this. People expect too much out of RAW because of it's past. Now its not wrong to have high expectations, yet some people here seem to be biased, IMO. I will admit that RAW isn't the best that it could be and that it may have to do with some of the WWE talent scouts/writers being straight dumbasses, but if it is that bad, then just dont watch it. Yea, easier said than done, but its not that hard to do either.

The problem with the WWE writing as a whole is that those who grew up watching it and were loyal fans have GROWN UP, yet they fail to realize that.

My Point: Cryme Tyme is the shit
I'm afraid not, it was a vehicle to wind you up, and it's worked. Gimmicks on messageboards?

So you admit 'Raw isnt the best' yet the opening tirade you posted was that it was 'pretty damn decent'. You then say that its down to the writers being 'straight dumbasses', again contradicting your original view that it was 'decent'.

I'd say that you are backtracking under the weight of popular feeling. Raw is terrible, has been for weeks, there are no real storylines happening on Raw.

Look at Hardy & Nitro, they wrestle week after week for the IC title, and I don't recall one single promo between them. This is for the (alledged) second most prestigious title in the WWE. They are just fighting, because, there isn't much else for them to do as neither are trusted on the mic, or are anywhere near a main event level. JR mocks Nitro for not wearing the belt, but then shouts 'BAHGAWD HERE COMES THE MARINE!' when John Cena appears carrying the belt like a 50% off Subway lunch. Carlito has 2 minutes a week to put over some sort of ladies man gimmick. DX have a good half hour, pretty much doing nothing. 'Cryme Time are the shit' according to you, but they are never in the ring. They are of course, a recycled 4 year old gimmick with 25 year old jokes (i can tell you liked that one).

I don't have high expectations, I've been watching this crap for the last 3 years without any, but when Raw drops below the level of when Triple H was winning the title carrying an injury where he could hardly walk, then there's issues with the programming. As I say, I may watch it this Monday, I may not. I certainly won't be bothered if I missed it.

And just to remember Johnny, my opinion matters......*sigh*...more.
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I'm afraid not, it was a vehicle to wind you up, and it's worked. Gimmicks on messageboards?

So you admit 'Raw isnt the best' yet the opening tirade you posted was that it was 'pretty damn decent'. You then say that its down to the writers being 'straight dumbasses', again contradicting your original view that it was 'decent'.

I'd say that you are backtracking under the weight of popular feeling. Raw is terrible, has been for weeks, there are no real storylines happening on Raw.

Look at Hardy & Nitro, they wrestle week after week for the IC title, and I don't recall one single promo between them. This is for the (alledged) second most prestigious title in the WWE. They are just fighting, because, there isn't much else for them to do as neither are trusted on the mic, or are anywhere near a main event level. JR mocks Nitro for not wearing the belt, but then shouts 'BAHGAWD HERE COMES THE MARINE!' when John Cena appears carrying the belt like a 50% off Subway lunch. Carlito has 2 minutes a week to put over some sort of ladies man gimmick. DX have a good half hour, pretty much doing nothing. 'Cryme Time are the shit' according to you, but they are never in the ring. They are of course, a recycled 4 year old gimmick with 25 year old jokes (i can tell you liked that one).

I don't have high expectations, I've been watching this crap for the last 3 years without any, but when Raw drops below the level of when Triple H was winning the title carrying an injury where he could hardly walk, then there's issues with the programming. As I say, I may watch it this Monday, I may not. I certainly won't be bothered if I missed it.

And just to remember Johnny, my opinion matters......*sigh*...more.
RAW hasn't been the best THAT IT CAN BE, but with what they have, they are doing a decent damn job, IMO. Cleared that up.

As far as the IC title portion you mentioned, the fued is just starting to heat up. After last monday, i expect a bit more emotional support to come because of how Nitro 'let out frustration' after the match, which will give the feeling that it is 'very personal'.

One thing that is losing the viewers is Cena's gimmick. We all know it is stale, but it is not all of his fault. Which comes to my part of the writers being "dumbasses". Do what brought you to the dance, so to speak. THIS is where i believe the writers are fucking up. This is also why i believe that the roster split should stop, as it would give the writers more ideas as to what to do with the talent. Sure, everyone won't be able to compete, but that is either: 1.) Their own fault for not putting enough time into their character 2.) The crowd/consumer doesn't buy into them. So, with that said, you should get rid of the 'dead weight'. A smart business move. Things are so predictable because there is no variety on the show. We all know that Cena is going to beat Umaga, Orton is going to Mania, SS will split, etc. With more variety, i.e. ending the roster split, more ideas develop.

Imagine this card for a PPV:

-Cena v. Booker T (title unification match)
-Hardy v. Nitro v. Benjamin v. Carlito (IC title match, preferably ladder or TLC)
-Batista v. Edge v. Rey Mysterio (#1 Contenders match for heavyweight/WWE title)
-Chavo v. Masters v. Benoit v. Umaga (#1 Contenders match for IC title)
-Kendrick/London v. Edge/Orton (tag title unification match)
-Jimmy Wang Yang v. Helms v. Mercury v. Noble(4-way elimination Cruiserweight Title Match)
-Some interesting women's title match
-JBL/JR or Cole at ringside (King can be an anchor)
-DX could recruit some of the spirit squad when they split up or form some tag teams

and that was just off the top of my head. Obviously it can be altered, but i think you see my point. Fresh ideas.
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What i was saying was people state "These shows (WWE) are going to make me watch TNA even more, etc." So i said hell, watch TNA and don't watch WWE. Simply as that.

People, my statements are targeting specific people. If you say such things and whatnot, then feel the wrath bitch. But if not, then this is not towards you.
The interesting thing though, is you're saying the last few shows haven't been all that bad, when clearly, something's wrong. In the last few weeks, viewers have been dropping off. Wrestling is drawing numbers below 3 consistantly on Monday Nights. And tomorrow, I'll check again, but I bet you they aren't going up for this last week. Even babyface, "everyone hates Cena" John Cena was getting 3.6 ratings, which seemed to indicate that the hourlies wouldn't drop below them. Now, for some reason, the ratings are down .6 to .8 on any given hour.

Something is horribly wrong, and people are turning away. I know I am. I'll go back to Raw eventually, but it'll be a while. But clearly, even without watching it, I know something's horribly wrong with Raw. And people are telling WWE that.

This is a point-by-point rebuttal:

Fans wanted to be behind Cena and Orton. The only reason there is no Rock or Austin is because WWE fucked up.

DX is the best thing on the show, but that doesn't make it any less of a Quagmire. I love DX, but it's not worth my tuning in for them, because almost everything else sucks. I love Cryme Tyme, and one or two other guys, but the show really sucks right now.

In terms of "giving it a chance," refer to the first couple of paragraphs. Longterm fans are turning away. This isn't an instance of not giving it a chance. When the ratings are stable for years and then start dropping off, that generally means something is horribly wrong. This is not a bright thing to claim, and was the primary reason I was mocking you in the first place.
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