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Old 03-20-2007, 08:43 AM   #1
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Angry Benoit Taps
The Champ made Benoit tap out which was sortof a very late revenge as he had tapped out to Benoit way back in 2003. Cena doesn't deserve such a push over. Actually Benoit should be holding Cena's title and vice versa.
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Old 03-20-2007, 09:02 AM   #2
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They must be really trying to get cena over by having benoit tap to him.
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Old 03-20-2007, 09:04 AM   #3
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I was truly disgusted for the first time in a long while.
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Old 03-20-2007, 09:09 AM   #4
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Actually, yes. I was disgusted! The master of submissions (at least in the WWE at the moment) tapped to a weak looking STF. How could they do this to Benoit?
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That was the moment I turned off. What appeared to be a long winded and nothing happening programme made me almost sick by the fact that the STFU made Benoit tap. I don't really recall him tapping out and losing a macth since he's been in the WWE. Not even when he was feuding with the Rock and his dodgy sharpshooter.

I'm not sure I can be bothered to tune in next week after that trash tonight.
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Old 03-20-2007, 11:19 AM   #6
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That was the moment I turned off. What appeared to be a long winded and nothing happening programme made me almost sick by the fact that the STFU made Benoit tap. I don't really recall him tapping out and losing a macth since he's been in the WWE. Not even when he was feuding with the Rock and his dodgy sharpshooter.

I'm not sure I can be bothered to tune in next week after that trash tonight.

He's tapped plenty of times.
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Old 03-20-2007, 10:03 AM   #7
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I'm not a huge Benoit fan even but I threw a huge fit at the end of Raw last night.
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Old 03-20-2007, 10:51 AM   #8
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Having Benoit job by pinfall is one thing... Making him tap is a secret vendetta. Benoit must have slapped Steph's ass or something.
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Old 03-20-2007, 11:31 AM   #9
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Having Benoit job by pinfall is one thing... Making him tap is a secret vendetta. Benoit must have slapped Steph's ass or something.
That's pretty stupid.
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Old 03-20-2007, 11:34 AM   #10
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That's pretty stupid.
Huh?
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Old 03-20-2007, 11:37 AM   #11
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Huh?
Just comenting on that ignorant thought back there is all.
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Old 03-20-2007, 12:04 PM   #12
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Just comenting on that ignorant thought back there is all.
So you think it's perfectly fine that they made Benoit tap to the worst submission move in the business today when a simple pinfall would have sufficed?

For the record, I tend to think of submission finishes to be worth 2 pinfall finishes, and a submission against a guy like Benoit to be worth about 10. Does Cena need it? He's already on top. The sheep already think he's the best thing since sliced bread. A move like that just pisses the smart fans off. For the little bit that Cena went over, Benoit's image took a nosedive. The irony of it is that Benoit taps more than most others because of his tough image, so in the end he looks like a bigger pussy than most.

So no, I wasn't being serious when I said he probably slapped Steph's ass. But compare a hard-nosed Benoit to someone with a less tough image like Carlito. Benoit has tapped dozens of times while other guys have hardly ever tapped at all. In that respect, it seems as though the bookers have something against Benoit, making him tap when it's not even necessary.

And to help you in your communication skills, it's more productive to explain your reasoning when being critical of others rather than saying something along the lines of "That's pretty stupid." It makes you look a little ignorant yourself.
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Having Benoit job by pinfall is one thing... Making him tap is a secret vendetta. Benoit must have tapped Steph's ass or something.
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Old 03-20-2007, 10:54 AM   #14
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Benoit can slap any ass he wants. He's Chris Fucking Benoit.
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Old 03-20-2007, 11:06 AM   #15
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I thought you were a Cena mark?

Way to tarnish your gimmick dipshit.
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Old 03-20-2007, 11:30 AM   #16
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Dozens of times.
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Old 03-20-2007, 11:33 AM   #17
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Benoit tapped to the Rock once, I think the ref was out though. Tapped to Angle a bunch of times during their feud, and to Jericho.

Though we can all agree:

Cattle Mutilation >>>>> Ankle Lock, Liontamer, even the Rock's sharpshooter >>>>>>>>>>>>> ass punch >>>>> STFU
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Including to midcarders. Not to mention to a good amount of WWE champions. So where's the problem in it, technically speaking?
Of course I agree that I don't like it, but I realize what it is and see it as what it's meant to do. Make your WWE champion heading into Wrestlemania get a rub off your US champion. It's not like it kills Benoit.
Why is it okay to you when The Rock and Kurt Angle make him tap as champion, or better yet when midcarders make him tap in midcard matches?
But when Cena does it, the WWE fucked up and its "not logical". It's for the same reason now as it was then, to put over the champion big because Benoit's over too.
Just because you don't like Cena doesn't really mean it's a different situation. I dislike it too but I'm not gonna dellude myself as to what it really is, and make the argument that it was okay the other times, or the millions of times a champion has made a strong wrestler tap or lay down, but now it's bad.
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yea seriously Destor. "He can lay down but he CAN'T TAP". This is wrestling. Benoit is a god to me, but come on. You guys sound like marks trying to be smart. Saying that Benoit can't tap to the STFU because its < other submissions. C'mon. Thats absurd. It's wrestling! It's a submission maneuver, regardless of what it looks like, and it's being built to be strong. Thats the way it is. "But it doesn't hurt like those do" C'mon, thats some markish shit. Maybe it doesn't look it, but none of it does. It's a work. If his submission looks shitty or weak then so be it, it's still being built to be dominant to go along with his finisher and superman push as champion.

So in kayfabe it's all the same, in kayfabe it's painful as hell and dominant and up there if not superior to those other moves. Sorry, thats the way it is. I don't like it and you don't have to like it either but please don't say markish shit like that.
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OMG! THEY'RE JOBBING OUT BENOIT! HE MUST BE IN TEH DOG HOUSE!
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OMG! THEY'RE JOBBING OUT BENOIT! HE MUST BE IN TEH DOG HOUSE!
HE SHOULD GO TO TNA!
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HE'S BEING BURIED!!!!! If you're upset with him jobbing to the WWE champion in a road to wrestlemania match, just wait til wrestlemania. He's gonna job to MVP in the midcard. Rant about that if you got a problem with this.
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That would actually be rant worthy right there...
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Yes, now THAT sucks. I'm just pointing out that theres MUCH worse things that can happen than lose to the WWE champion superman in a main event leading up to Wrestlemania. And that will be evident in 20 days.
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What a fucking retarded idea to put over a guy responsible for drawing the WrestleMania buyrate in a convincing manner. Seriously now. How ABSURD.

Seriously people, it was the smartest thing to do.
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why not LOL at Destor? What I'm saying is true bro, I didn't say I liked it. I just said on the booking side of things thats the way it is.

Seriously dude, I hate Cena too but don't attack me for telling it as it is from a booking standpoint. Why would you refer to me negatively for what I said, when hbk2k and Destor agreed?
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Old 03-20-2007, 01:55 PM   #29
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Benoit suck, I'm glad he tapped.
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Old 03-20-2007, 02:56 PM   #30
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BUT GUYS!!! CHRIST BENOIT TURNED WATER INTO TOOTHLESS AGRESSION !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 03-20-2007, 03:43 PM   #31
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Did you expect Benoit to go over or something? It was completely expected.
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Old 03-20-2007, 03:49 PM   #32
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Look. Chris Benoit isn't selling WrestleMania, John Cena is. So you can either book the way TNA would, do a bunch of run-ins, end it in a lame DQ because "you have to protect Benoit", and not get anybody over and render it meaningless, or can make the guy responsible for selling the show look like a million dollars on Raw and actually get somebody over, when the truth is nobody will remember the match in three months anyway. It's common sense, it's the right thing to do, get over it. Benoit's bulletproof - he's going to rebound just fine if they need him to.
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Look. Chris Benoit isn't selling WrestleMania, John Cena is. So you can either book the way TNA would, do a bunch of run-ins, end it in a lame DQ because "you have to protect Benoit", and not get anybody over and render it meaningless, or can make the guy responsible for selling the show look like a million dollars on Raw and actually get somebody over, when the truth is nobody will remember the match in three months anyway. It's common sense, it's the right thing to do, get over it. Benoit's bulletproof - he's going to rebound just fine if they need him to.
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Old 03-20-2007, 11:25 PM   #34
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Can we all just be honest and admit that we're only pissed because most of us like Chris Benoit and don't like John Cena?
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Old 03-20-2007, 11:52 PM   #35
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Can we all just be honest and admit that we're only pissed because most of us like Chris Benoit and don't like John Cena?
Ill go with that.
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:08 AM   #36
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Can we all just be honest and admit that we're only pissed because most of us like Chris Benoit and don't like John Cena?
I don't even mind Cena that much though. What I'm angry about is building up any star in a way that is just insulting to another. There was absolutely no reason to have Benoit tap in a normal Raw match when a regular pinfall victory would have been just fine. Hell, if it had happened in a PPV main event after a long and grueling match that left both guys beat to hell, then it would have been fine. Disappointing, certainly, but not an outrage.
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:22 AM   #37
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Can we all just be honest and admit that we're only pissed because most of us like Chris Benoit and don't like John Cena?
No, Cena wins with the FU, thats fine.
Cena winning with the STFU = bullshit.

I can't remember the Rock ever winning with his cheap ass version of the Sharpshooter.
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Old 03-21-2007, 11:59 AM   #38
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I can't remember the Rock ever winning with his cheap ass version of the Sharpshooter.
I'm not completely sure, but I'm almost certain Rock has made Benoit tap with the sharpshooter. Back in 2000, when they had a couple of PPV main events, Rock was using that move heavily. I think he even made Angle tap too, along with a string of other challengers.
The difference is it was The Rock and we liked him, so there was no outcry, because even though Rock is no technical master either, he was a mark favorite and entertaining as hell. So since we don't like Cena, we begin to fault him and the creative for things they've been doing along with wrestlers in his role.
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No, Cena wins with the FU, thats fine.
Cena winning with the STFU = bullshit.

I can't remember the Rock ever winning with his cheap ass version of the Sharpshooter.
So, with that logic, Sting should've never won with the Scorpion Deathlock simply because Bret did it better.

Honestly, the STFU is being booked as a legit finisher for Cena, even if it doesn't look good. As a finishing maneuver, it's got to actually finish matches. Cena's going into the main event of WWE's biggest show of the year. Benoit isn't. Therefore, it makes sense as a booker to make Cena look like the better man.

Am I happy with the decision? No. Why? Simple: because I like Chris Benoit, and I don't like John Cena. I don't need to dance around it with other excuses.
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Can we all just be honest and admit that we're only pissed because most of us like Chris Benoit and don't like John Cena?
And that is the truth right there. Calm down marks.
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