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Old 04-07-2007, 05:24 PM   #1
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Who sides do you take in the following real feuds?
Micheals v Hart

Arn v Nash

Flair v Foley

Warrior v Reality

Also, feel free to add in your own.
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Old 04-07-2007, 05:29 PM   #2
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Michaels

Nash

Foley

Warrior
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Old 04-07-2007, 05:33 PM   #3
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I personaly pick:

Micheal, Nash, Flair, Warrior.
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Old 04-07-2007, 05:53 PM   #4
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The only thing I know about the Flair/Foley feud is that Flair said Foley is a glorified stunt man, to which I disagree...other than that, I havn't heard anything else about it.
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:04 PM   #5
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Michaels, Nash, Foley, Reality. And I picked Foley for that reason above.
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:06 PM   #6
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Michaels, Nash, Foley, Reality. And I picked Foley for that reason above.
So what's the deal, are you going to be TPWW's Kliq's Justin Credible?
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:09 PM   #7
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So what's the deal, are you going to be TPWW's Kliq's Justin Credible?
Sure, why not. I can go on to have moderate success in a thrid tier promotion and subsequently be buried upon my opportunity to make it big. Be brought back for another opportunity, and be buried, again.
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:17 PM   #8
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Sure, why not. I can go on to have moderate success in a thrid tier promotion and subsequently be buried upon my opportunity to make it big. Be brought back for another opportunity, and be buried, again.
Sounds about right. Don't worry, you and Steele can form a tag trio with some fat bald dude years from now.
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:23 PM   #9
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Sounds about right. Don't worry, you and Steele can form a tag trio with some fat bald dude years from now.
^ And Main Event a WSX show.
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Old 04-07-2007, 10:52 PM   #10
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:05 PM   #11
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Micheals v Hart -- Michaels

Arn v Nash -Nash(Biggest Draw in history, how could u side against him)

Flair v Foley - Foley

Warrior v Reality - Warrior
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:10 PM   #12
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Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart - Gotta pick Hart. He's overrated as Hell, but still a great wrestler. HBK did "lose his smile" on him. However, Bret should put water under the bridge.

Arn Anderson vs. Kevin Nash - I actually don't know the story here. However, I do like Arn more. Nash is entertaining as Hell when it comes to speaking, but Anderson was the better wrestler.

Ric Flair vs. Mick Foley - I think Foley is a nice guy, personally, so it's easy to take his side. As much as one can respect Ric Flair, you have to find some irony in Flair calling Foley a glorified stunt-man, and than seeing him go out and wrestle a TLC Match with Edge...and then Money in the Bank.

Ultimate Warrior vs. Reality - Reality. If reality had defeated Ultimate Warrior, I may not have to hear so much about him.
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:11 PM   #13
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how about Dynamite/Rougeaus?
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:11 PM   #14
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Micheals v Hart

Arn v Nash (Don't know about this feud, but will look it up)

Flair v Foley

Warrior v Reality
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:16 PM   #15
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:23 PM   #16
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:26 PM   #17
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Jesus, if only Aldo would have been brought back in his last WWE stint.
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:27 PM   #18
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It's funny how the Kliq became three very different groups...

Michaels and Hunter had 2 of the greatest WWE careers of anyone ever.

Nash and Hall went on to make a TON of money and be key factors in WCW defeating WWE in ratings.

Waltman and Credible sat on the curtain jerk part of the card for years and only get a chance to Main Event in small regional companies at best.
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:28 PM   #19
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It was to make sure they took over all aspects of the card...



...and all aspect of the wrestling world.
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:32 PM   #20
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I still think TNA should bring in Hall, Waltman, and possibly even Credible...have them just walk around with Nash and a camera...never give any of them matches, just let me fuck around. I swear to god, it would be the best product TNA could hope to put on. (proof of this lies in the fact that Nash's segments on Impact constantly are the only worthwhile highlight of the entire show)
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:35 PM   #21
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Yeh, even though it would be a bit of rehashing, TNA should establish some kind of group consisting of Hall, Waltman, Credible, and Shelley (and maybe one more younger guy in TNA)...it would get Shelley over, boost ratings (even if just the slightest bit), and make for more entertaining television than 99% of what else is going on in wrestling right now.
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:37 PM   #22
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:38 PM   #23
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Micheals v Hart

Arn v Nash

Flair v Foley

Warrior v Reality

Also, feel free to add in your own.
Michaels
Nash
Flair
Warrior
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:38 PM   #24
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id like to know how u could pick michaels side.He made the feud with Hart go to the extremes it did(losing his smile,sunny days, screwjob,refusing to return job which he owed Hart,being an asshole that only he can be)
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:46 PM   #25
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id like to know how u could pick michaels side.He made the feud with Hart go to the extremes it did(losing his smile,sunny days, screwjob,refusing to return job which he owed Hart,being an asshole that only he can be)
1) Ever consider that maybe, just maybe, Michaels really did have a knee injury during the "losing his smile" time? No you didn't, cause you're hell bent on making Michaels out to be an asshole.

2) Could it be possibly that God's only son Bret Hart maybe did sleep with Sunny? And not that an eye for an eye is a good argument, but Bret started it by making his dumb gay jokes for HBK appearing in Playgirl.

3) Screwjob = Bret Screwed Bret.

4) Michaels didn't OWE Bret a return job, that is the most asinine thing I have ever heard. If you lay down for someone they have to do it back...fuck no.

5) Being an asshole like only he can be...yeah I suppose so. But it's damn sure better than Mr. Chip on his shoulder, always had a bitch, whinning, moaning, complaining, bitching, over rated, bitter than Michaels was always better, Bret Hart.
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:54 PM   #26
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1) Ever consider that maybe, just maybe, Michaels really did have a knee injury during the "losing his smile" time? No you didn't, cause you're hell bent on making Michaels out to be an asshole.
Except that he didn't have an injury.

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2) Could it be possibly that God's only son Bret Hart maybe did sleep with Sunny? And not that an eye for an eye is a good argument, but Bret started it by making his dumb gay jokes for HBK appearing in Playgirl.
Could it be possible that he didn't???

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3) Screwjob = Bret Screwed Bret.
So breaking your word and forming an inside plan based on paranoia constitutes the other guy screwing himself?

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4) Michaels didn't OWE Bret a return job, that is the most asinine thing I have ever heard. If you lay down for someone they have to do it back...fuck no.
Except that he was supposed to job to Bret at WM 13.

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5) Being an asshole like only he can be...yeah I suppose so. But it's damn sure better than Mr. Chip on his shoulder, always had a bitch, whinning, moaning, complaining, bitching, over rated, bitter than Michaels was always better, Bret Hart.
I'd like to think that getting f*cked over by a company you were loyal to for 14 years allows you some right to be a tad inconvenienced. Have you ever heard Bret speak when he's NOT harrassed about Montreal? It's quite the non-bitchy experience.
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Old 04-07-2007, 07:04 PM   #27
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Except that he didn't have an injury.
Actually he DID have an injury. It should also be noted that it was during this time that WCW was throwing HUGE contracts in Michaels face asking him to sign, and while Bret is so glorified for sticking with the company, Michaels did it too.

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Could it be possible that he didn't???
How delughtful that you know for a fact all of Bret Hart's bed mates, did he tell you the complete list before or after you swallowed his cum?

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So breaking your word and forming an inside plan based on paranoia constitutes the other guy screwing himself?
Bret Hart didn't want to job to Michaels. McMahon wanted him to job to Michaels. McMahon is a paranoid man, and given his history of wrestlers jumping ship and dumping titles in the trash, not to mention how much shit he gets for letting Jeff Jarrett's contract run up while he was Champ, I have NEVER understood why Bret warrents some super special "Oh you no longer under contract, but sure, you hang on to the belt, and let's hope you show up tomorrow and drop the belt despite the fact you're refusing to right now" treatment. Besides, Bret reused to job, McMahon made the choice, and it was HHH's plan. Michaels went along with it, and tell me you wouldn't have gone along with it as well if the guy who had been a total dick to you for years was in a position where your BOSS was telling you do this...

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Except that he was supposed to job to Bret at WM 13.
This has never been confirmed. It's a rumor. And by the way, Michaels DID have a knee injury so we already covered this. Either Michaels was legit injured, or he hated Hart so much he would rather drop the belt, not wrestle for a few months (all the while missing out on % of PPV buys, including WrestleMania and a certain drop in merch sales), fake the entire world out, and continue to deny WCW Million dollar contracts...just so he didn't have to lay down for Bret? Come on.

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I'd like to think that getting f*cked over by a company you were loyal to for 14 years allows you some right to be a tad inconvenienced. Have you ever heard Bret speak when he's NOT harrassed about Montreal? It's quite the non-bitchy experience.
Hart bitched and moaned long before Montreal, and he does it still above dozen of topics. Bret is a generally very bitter and disgrunted individual. This is my opinion of him based on what I've heard other wrestlers say, based on what I've read over the internets, and based on the fact that I've met him in person more than once and every time he carried with him a giant "I'm pissed off at the world" sign over his head.
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The entire Bret Hart screwjob falls down to one fact, and ONE fact alone. It has nothing to do with thefact that Michaels was a massive whining jerk at the time. It has nothing to do with Shawn Michaels not wanting to do the job.

It DOES have to do with Bret wanting to let his contract expire while the belt was still on him. When you get ready to leave the company, you DO THE HONORS on the way out, no matter WHO it is. You show the company respect. Vince had NO choice as a 'businessman.' It has nothing to do with personal emotion. You don't put your own business, title history, and exposure at risk like that.
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The people who are siding with Bret Hart in this thread are presenting evidence to back their opinions up. The michaels fans are just stating their opinions and predigious.

If you hate Bret,fine, but at least have the common sense to see right from wrong. If you don't have it, fake it for a little while and say something like " personally I don't like Bret Hart but interms of his real life feud with Michaels Hart in the right.

If you can't do that then go fucking hang yourself.
Fine, let's play the fact game.

FACT

Bret Hart was the first person to make "shoot_style" comments on television when he implied that Shawn Michaels was a closet homosexual due to his appearing in Playgirl...Michaels responded with implying that Bret slept with Sunny.

OPINION

Bret could have slept with Sunny. They were both VERY flirty with one another, and it's certainly not unheard of for afairs to begin in the work place.

FACT

Bret Hart was the first person to make this a physical rivalry when after the Sunny comment he attacked Shawn backstage. (FYI: This was the first time Shawn ever asked for his release from the company, and it was due entirly to Bret Hart's physical attack of him)

FACT

Bret Hart was upset at the way WrestleMania XII was built up...with Shawn training and getting time off and looking like a million bucks in the videos as opposed to Bret getting school by his dad in the videos. Now this is where the feud really began to pick up, however, despite the end product not being to Bret's standards of what he wanted, it was Bret's idea to show him training with his father. Each man was given a certain amount of freedom to build up to Mania how they wished, somehow, the fact that Shawn came out looking better in the video packages was Shawn's fault.

OPINION

So you could say, (and it's certainly my opinion) that Bret's whinny attitude actually started this feud.

FACT

Bret wouldn't allow Michaels to win the title or score the pinfall in the hour allowed. They had to come up with the overtime scenario because Bret refused to lay down or tap in the first hour.

FACT

Bret was supposed to shake Michaels hand after the match, he did not. Michaels then told Bret to "Get the fuck out of my ring."

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Bret Hart seriously considered leaving WWE for WCW in 1996 due to WCW offering a lot more money. Shawn Michaels only considered leaving for WCW when Bret attacked him backstage as perviously stated.

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Bret Hart is praised and glorified for sticking with WWE why? He pushed and waited until the eleventh hour before deciding to stick with WWE. Michaels only wanted to leave when a man assulted him backstage. Sound like maybe, just maybe, Shawn was a little more loyal, but that's just my opinion.

HBK FACT

Shawn Michaels did have a knee injury which is why he vacated the title. Again, I've already stated this in this very thread, however I will do it again, because of this, Michaels lost on on hundreds of thousands of dollars in WrestleMania Main Event pay days, in his merch sales dropping, in even weekly apperances. In order for the "He didn't want to job to Bret" thing to be true, you'd have to assume that he was willing to throw hundreds of thousands of dollars down the drain, just to avoid giving him the 1-2-3. But, as I've already stated, he had a knee injury, one that a doctor told him if he pushed it any further than he had, he may never walk again...by the way, it has NEVER been confirmed that the original intended Mania 13 M.E. was going to be a rematch.

OPINION

Infact, if it were true that Bret was supposed to win the title at Mania 13, doesn't anyone find it odd that he wasn't even involved with the Title match at Mania? But I suppose Meltzer making up excuses for how even Michaels being injured was a stab at Bret is good enough for a lot of you...

FACT

Bret Hart was told by WWE's Owner Vince McMahon to drop the WWE Championship to Shawn Michaels on November 9, 1997. He refused.

OPINION

And that's where the last bit of this feud ends. I've said it so many times before, Bret Screwed Bret. Hart had creative control over his character. That means that Vince couldn't make Bret dress in drag on TV if Bret didn't want that. It does NOT mean that if he's champion he gets to hold the belt for ransom. Bret Hart's contract was going to expire. He was refusing to lay down for Shawn. He came up with an idea where he'd forfit the title on the next RAW (yeah, nothing like sending a guy off to the rival company with a W over your other top guy) or that he would drop the belt a few weeks later once they were out of Canada (and Bret, despite refusing to drop the title to Shawn here, should be trusted to drop the title to Shawn there...AFTER his contract has run out and he could appear on WCW television and throw it in the trash...) But let's assume Bret is some horrible victim in this scenario. Well, we've all since learned, it was HHH's idea, and Vince said to do it. Michaels was the only man who did what his boss told him to do that night.

Enjoy the facts.

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1) Ever consider that maybe, just maybe, Michaels really did have a knee injury during the "losing his smile" time? No you didn't, cause you're hell bent on making Michaels out to be an asshole.

2) Could it be possibly that God's only son Bret Hart maybe did sleep with Sunny? And not that an eye for an eye is a good argument, but Bret started it by making his dumb gay jokes for HBK appearing in Playgirl.

3) Screwjob = Bret Screwed Bret.

4) Michaels didn't OWE Bret a return job, that is the most asinine thing I have ever heard. If you lay down for someone they have to do it back...fuck no.

5) Being an asshole like only he can be...yeah I suppose so. But it's damn sure better than Mr. Chip on his shoulder, always had a bitch, whinning, moaning, complaining, bitching, over rated, bitter than Michaels was always better, Bret Hart.
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Micheals v Hart: Bret. Easily

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Flair v Foley: This really isn't much of a fued especially since they've worked things out.

Warrior v Reality: As much of a bitch Reality can be, Warrior is a bigger one.
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The only reason Michaels is so villified in this feud and Hart is so admired is because Meltzer has had a hard on for Bret since...well...forever. And since the only people who are bigger sheep than marks are internet smarks, they fallow the official source for IWC's opinion: Dave "I'm the end all be all of wrestling opinion" Meltzer.
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The only reason Michaels is so villified in this feud and Hart is so admired is because Meltzer has had a hard on for Bret since...well...forever. And since the only people who are bigger sheep than marks are internet smarks, they fallow the official source for IWC's opinion: Dave "I'm the end all be all of wrestling opinion" Meltzer.
Man, you gotta realize what went down then. He may have had a minor injury, but the guy was bouncing around and dancing all over the place before Mania, and during Mania, and after Mania. Yeah, some major injury there. Bret even called him phoney at Mania, in what I felt was a legit shoot comment.

Shawn was an ass, making up BS. Sunny for one stated that she and Bret never fucked. She simply flirted around with him, as they were close friends.
If Sunny says it, she has no reason to lie. No wonder Bret got angry enough to wanna beat the shit out of the boy toy.

HBK had problems doing business with anyone he didnt like, or whenever he couldnt benefit from doing so. HBK screws Bret cuz he could benefit from doing so, whereas Bret while main eventing would work with the lower card guys and give them great matches and big time rubs.
HBK would trash everyone, such as the rock, and not want to job to fucking Austin, yet Bret calls out Austin as the next big thing, and he helps the rock out and works to share with him his knowledge. There's a difference between the two. Bret did work damn hard to help the company as a whole. HBK worked fucking hard backstage to help himself. He refused to job to Davey for a euro title match, that Davey was dedicating to his ill sister. And when HBK won that title, he made it look like shit, when all those months before guys like Davey and Owen and others worked fucking hard to make that belt matter. HBK was a piece of shit, he lied constantly, and was never good at hiding it.

Oh yeah, HBK was supposed to work the Canadian Stampede ten man tag match, but he couldnt take siding with the losing team. My goodness.

How many titles has HBK dropped outright without being pinned or losing to another opponent cleanly? Fucking hell, he mostly would just forfeit them.

As for the screwjob, goes back to what I was saying before. HBK did what his boss told him to do this time cuz he got to benefit from it. So many times HBK would be a pain in the ass and just refuse to do something when things didnt go his way. Now HBK said he was just doing his job, the boss tells you to do something, you do it. Oh really then?? So why did you never give a shit about that before, eh HBK? Oh yea...he wasnt benefitting.
Fuck that hypocrite.

Great talent, someone I enjoy watching on tv, and I'd never take anything away from him there, but the guy was a bitch. Says alot when most guys in the business respected Bret and didnt Shawn.
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Micheals v Hart: Michaels. Because Hart was the only one who saw the situation as it was, and could have stopped it by swallowing his pride, and didn't.

Arn v Nash
Would someone please explain this one?

Flair v Foley
Meh, they both had valid points and I think this whole business was seriously overblown.

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Warrior and his destrucity beat Reality every time.

Here's one that I'm surprised I haven't seen: Flair vs Rhodes
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A few points on this thread:

The only reason Shawn Michaels didn't go to WCW was because WWF point blank refused to release him from his iron-clad multi-year contract on the several occasions he requested them to. Loyalty had nothing to do with it. Bret chose to remain with WWF when he was a free agent and had the choice. Shawn preferred to up and leave when he was under contract and did NOT have that option. Bet he's glad he stayed today, though.

As far as the Bret/Shawn feud. I side with Bret during the feud, but Shawn has at least been the bigger man in the time since by letting it go (for the most part). Shawn was always a dick back then, and Bret was one of the only guys with enough clout to stand up to him. Maybe Bret did have a few skeletons in his closet, does that mean that they should be broadcast to the world? Shawn was definitely a prick, but Bret kicked his ass in June 1997. That should have been closure enough for 'The Hitman'.

Shawn Michaels did have a legit knee injury at the time he 'lost his smile'. It was, however, the same knee injury he had been carrying for most of 1996 was never the "career threatening" injury he made out. He would have been no more unable to work WrestleMania than he had been able to work matches during the previous 6 months. It was all-too-convenient that he decided he needed surgery just before he was due to lose the title to Bret.

Even though I believe Arn Anderson has contributed more to the business, worked harder and put on better matches than Kevin Nash, I gotta side with Nash as far as that feud goes. Arn should have taken the whole retirement parody with a pinch of salt, but by refusing to take a joke and taking himself so seriously, he made himself look an ass. Okay, maybe it was in bad taste to a degree, but the heat was definitely supposed to be on Nash in that segment. He didn't try to make Arn look like a dick, he tried to make HIMSELF look like a dick. Arn should have lightened up a little.

Flair had a lot of audacity taking shots at Foley, who went on to become a success and a millionaire in spite of Flair's booking of him in WCW. I think Flair lost face when Foley was a success due to the fact he had declared him a wheelchair case waiting to happen. Both sides should shoulder some blame, but I think Flair (a man who APPARENTLY only won the NWA World title to begin with because his territory were worried he was killing business with his same-match-every-night routine) was out of line knocking Foley's ability. He should just ask his 'best buddy' Triple H where HE would be without Foley going all out in putting him over in early 2000.

As for Dynamite Kid, there's another jerk, a bully, a man who took great pleasure and pride in making people's lives a misery... from time to time, bullies get beaten up. I'm glad the Rougeaus knocked his face off.

And finally, Flair/Rhodes didn't seem to have a lot of hatred during their 'love in' at the Hall of Fame. I think it was mostly to do with Rhodes' jealousy at Flair's worth to JCP/WCW, putting Rhodes in the wrong. Whatever it was, at least they seem to respect and like each other nowadays.
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