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03-09-2004, 12:58 AM
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Embarrased to be a CANUCKS fan
I never thought I would say this. I am embarrassed to be a fan of the Vancouver Canucks tonight.
Not because they came out unprepared to play. But because they chose to take things too far tonight in their revenge against Steve Moore. Todd Bertuzzi will be suspended tomorrow, and rightly so. His sucker punch of Steve Moore was classless, and Moore was badly hurt. Markus Naslund seemed as embarrassed as I was by the look on his face. I would like to extend my best wishes to Steve Moore, and hope that my team has the balls to admit what they did was wrong tonight. Also - WTF. 9-2 against the Avs? How can a team play SO bad when it's one of their most important games? I made fun of the Leafs awhile back when they got their asses handed to the Senators, but they were also missing key players. Canucks have everyone tonight. Is this what will happen in the playoffs? Canucks need to seriously wake the fuck up. They got outclassed by Detroit, and are taking it up the ass HARD from the Avs tonight. |
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03-09-2004, 01:03 AM
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it was a bad game, but it didn't happen last time they played so something was gonna go down tonight. The Avs got smoked yesterday 7-1 or something so they needed to come out strong. Pretty dumb of bertuzzi but what can you do. It's no different then Tucker low bridging Peca and putting him out for 6 months... or any other thing, when Moore hit Naslund it was a cheap hit so payback was gonna come.
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03-09-2004, 01:11 AM
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Oh well - I'll support the canucks for life. I'm still disappointed however. I'm worried about the canucks in the playoffs. |
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03-09-2004, 01:08 AM
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LOL I can't wait for Gertner to reply
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03-09-2004, 01:15 AM
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03-09-2004, 01:09 AM
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yeah should be good.
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03-09-2004, 01:15 AM
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im not worried at all, Colorado is a GOOD team it's not like they lost to a non-playoff team. I would also bet that Bertuzzi tried to get moore to fight but he didn't want his ass handed to him so he didn't.
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03-09-2004, 01:26 AM
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Bertuzzi is scum. Not only did he punch him from behind, he drove his head into the ice. Marc Crawford is an asshole as well. When Moore was on the ice, unconscious and bleeding, Crawford had a smirk on his face.
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03-09-2004, 01:32 AM
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Father of Hinduship
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It's sad that I can't disagree with you WHATSOEVER. 
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03-09-2004, 01:38 AM
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it was pretty clear he was out anyways before bert road him to the ice... I'm not saying what Bertuzzi did was in anyway right but that's how hockey works and it always has. Moore took a cheap shot at naslund two weeks ago and he got his payback. Crawford also probably was happy that it happend, I mean look what happend with no call Crawford was PISSED and he should have been but what can you do. |
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03-09-2004, 01:47 AM
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I dunno.....
I agree that Moore should've been taken out (and I don't particularily care that Moore was injured in the way that he was..........he had it coming). I just think it was classless of Bertuzzi to attack him from behind. Wonder what's up next for Mr. Burke. It's obvious that we need a key trade IMO if this team is going to make noise in the playoffs. Again - Not that Cloutier is entirely to blame for tonight's loss, but 5 goals in one period?..........in arguably the most important game? Granted the team STUNK tonight, but when are we going to see Cloutier SAVE the canucks in an IMPORTANT game.....when the canucks NEED HIM THE MOST? |
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03-09-2004, 05:14 PM
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Everyone who knows me is aware that I've never been a fan of Bertuzzi. His actions last night are no different than the way he was from '91-'92 to '94-'95 when he played here in Guelph in the OHL. Bertuzzi's the kind of player who finds it very difficult to play diciplined hockey. Bertuzzi is the player who takes a stupid penalty in the last few minutes of a game when his team is down by a goal and trying to tie it up. Bertuzzi 
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03-09-2004, 01:57 AM
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That's how I roll!!!
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ya Bertuzzi went way too far. I think it was frustarted because he's having a shitty season and his team was getting their ass kicked. LOL at Brad May. who the **** does that guy think he is?
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03-09-2004, 02:05 AM
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I'll go a step further and say i think it was criminal. I think there should be charges considered. Drastic yes. But Moore is in the hospital now and last i heard he's in bad shape.Bertuzzi better stock up on the advil cause he's gunna get pounded when they meet again.
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03-09-2004, 02:17 AM
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they wont meet again unless they both go to atleast the third round of the play-offs. I don't think it's really a criminal matter, it's part of the game. Bertuzzi's gonna get suspended or he should anyways for driving him to the ice but that's about all that's gonna happen.
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03-09-2004, 02:20 AM
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Unless moore takes a turn for the worst. Anyone know his status?
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03-10-2004, 12:46 PM
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They said Bertuzzi wouldn't comment on the matter and got his agent to issue an apology. What a ****up |
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03-10-2004, 01:19 PM
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Oi just read the whole thread
 From what I saw on ESPN, Bertuzzi suckerpunched him and then Moore went limp and fell down (draw your own conclusions on what caused the injury), and Bertuzzi jumped on him trying to do more damage. Then Moore's teamate jumped on him to try to get him off but one (or two?) more Canucks jumped on him. SO, let me get this straight, it's the coach's fault for a guy being a cheap artist? Right. Somehow I don't see the reasoning in that. Blame one man's moronic deed on the coach for not taking him out. Also here's a link from ESPN. TORONTO -- Vancouver All-Star Todd Bertuzzi faced a hearing with NHL officials Wednesday to talk about his hit that left Avalanche forward Steve Moore with a broken neck. Moore, who was hospitalized in Vancouver after Monday's game, will miss the rest of the season. Bertuzzi was suspended indefinitely. The hearing was delayed until Wednesday afternoon to give both sides more time to prepare, said Gary Meagher, an NHL spokesman. British Columbia Solicitor General Rich Coleman and Vancouver police are investigating, the second time in four years police have looked into an on-ice hit at an NHL game in the city. "It doesn't matter what the score was, what the time was, what the place was, what the history was, there's no room in our game for that," Colorado coach Tony Granato said. Bertuzzi slugged Moore in the side of the head late in the 9-2 Colorado victory. He hit Moore from behind and drove his head into the ice. Moore landed face-first -- with the 245-pound Bertuzzi on top of him -- and lay in a pool of blood for several minutes before he was removed on a stretcher. "All I'm concerned with is he regain his health," said Pierre Lacroix, Avalanche president and general manager. "All legal matters and all medical matters, I don't want to think about." Bertuzzi's punch appeared to be retaliation for an open-ice hit Moore delivered to Canucks captain Markus Naslund last month, knocking him out for three games. Vancouver players vowed to get even with Moore for that hit, which wasn't penalized. Enforcer Brad May spoke of a "bounty." The Canucks didn't go after Moore in last week's rematch in Denver, a 5-5 tie attended by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman. Naslund said he didn't believe Bertuzzi planned to hurt Moore. "He tried to do something he thought was right for his team, to challenge someone," Naslund said. "He wanted to make a point that you don't go out and hit our players." Bertuzzi's punch and its aftermath sent shock waves through the league, with players condemning his actions and calling for tough penalties. "As NHL players, we get fired up and sometimes do stupid things on the ice, but nobody wants to see injuries to the extent of Moore's," Detroit Red Wings veteran Brendan Shanahan said. Even the NHL's so-called goons were appalled. "It doesn't matter what your name is, this is not right," said the Calgary Flames' Krzysztof Oliwa, a well-traveled fighter. "This is not hockey, this is being cheap." Wayne Gretzky said it was an example of something that can happen in a sport that often turns violent. "It's a very emotional game and you can quickly lose your temper and lose your focus," the Hall of Famer said in Lakeland, Fla., where he was watching the Toronto-Detroit game. "What happened was wrong, and I am sure that nobody feels worse about it than Todd." In February 2000, former Boston Bruin Marty McSorley was charged for hitting then-Vancouver Canuck Donald Brashear with his stick. McSorley was convicted of assault with a weapon, but he received an 18-month conditional discharge, meaning no jail time and no criminal record after probation. The league suspended him for a year, ending his 17-year NHL career. When Moore's condition improves, he'll be transferred to Craig Hospital in Denver and evaluated by neurosurgeons, the Avalanche said. "Steve knows he has the support of the entire Avalanche family and hockey fans throughout the world," Lacroix said. Vancouver general manager Brian Burke said Bertuzzi was "too distraught" to attend Tuesday's news conference, but the Canucks right wing tried to contact Moore at the hospital. "That, to me, shows the sincerity more than any statement that we could issue," said Burke, who will fly to Toronto to be with Bertuzzi at his hearing Wednesday. Bertuzzi was an All-Star last season when he was fifth in the league in scoring. This year, he was an All-Star again and has 60 points, 23rd in the league. "If most people knew how upset Todd was by the result of what happened they would have a different view on things," said teammate Trevor Linden, also president of the NHL Players' Association. |
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03-09-2004, 02:37 AM
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he just has a concussion, that's what the TV is saying anyways, he's been released from hospital already, he was conscious and talking before he went to the hospital.
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03-09-2004, 03:22 AM
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So Heyman, how many "most important games of the season" does Vancouver have exactly?
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03-09-2004, 07:36 AM
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It's all because of the intistigator rule. Otherwise, it coulda been taken care of in another, easier way.
Although, Betuzzi's actions can be seen as "cheap", Moore should have known he was going to be targeted after what he did to Naslund. Hartley should have benched him last night, because it was obvious that SOMETHING was going to happen to him. |
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03-09-2004, 11:23 AM
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But yea I agree Moore shouldn't have been playing in that game |
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03-09-2004, 09:16 AM
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i was pretty disgusted and embarassed as well, i'd expect probably a ten game suspension for something like that. it looked really ugly. |
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03-09-2004, 10:03 AM
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If Moore had taken off his helmet/visor when he fought Cooke early in the game, it would have been all over with.
Granato shouldn't have had Moore out there with the score the way it was. Stupid on his part. I guess I'm one of the only ones that sees faults on the other side as well. Bertuzzi wouldn't have done what he did if he knew Moore was going to be that badly hurt. That part wasn't planned. |
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03-09-2004, 12:06 PM
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A cheap move by a gutless piece of crap on a horsesh.it fraud team. what more is there to say? The never beat any good teams, and now they will not get home ice advantage. HAHAHAHAHA! Nice knowing ya canucks!
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03-09-2004, 01:17 PM
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03-09-2004, 01:14 PM
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apperently Moores got a cracked vertbrae, but they're saying it didn't happen when Bertuzzi rode him to the ground but rather when Konowalchuk jumped on Bertuzzi
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03-09-2004, 01:16 PM
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Dub loves the kids!
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I'm an LA Kings fan because I used to listen to N.W.A.
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03-09-2004, 01:20 PM
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What exactly did he do anyway? It just sounded like a clothesline to the back of the head or something, must have been a pretty hard one to KO him. I don't like to see anyone get injured but if the Avs coach was gonna play him knowing that something was probably gonna go down, then tough shit really. Revenge for Naslund dammit  Also who won in Rob Blake's fight, I didn't know he was a fighter
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03-09-2004, 02:10 PM
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03-09-2004, 01:41 PM
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WTF do you want?
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yeah, where there now saying broken vertebre I'd expect one of the biggest suspensions in league history (see: McSorley).
The question is, this is the same town that tried to arrest McSorley, are they not acting because the player is on their team or because there was no stick invovled? |
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03-09-2004, 02:09 PM
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A stick can be doubled as a deadly weapon, the police are going to look at this and say nothing. There were no laws broken. Moore isn't going to press charges cause he knew he was a marked man. It's part of the game. Mcsorley's situation was different he would have actually killed Brasheir with a stick. They also didn't try to arrest him. They did. He got an 18 month conditonal sentence. |
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03-09-2004, 02:54 PM
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WTF do you want?
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Again, I haven't seen the tape, so I'll have to check out sportcenter tonight. |
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03-09-2004, 02:56 PM
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03-09-2004, 03:42 PM
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I agree with that except I don't think it will warrent as long of a suspension as some people might think it should be. The NHL is going to look at the hit and base there suspension not on Moore's injury but rather what bertuzzi did. He did cheap shot him from behind. he did fall on him. They might also recognize that Moore was out before he was falling and thus Bertuzzi somewhat held him up, cause if Bertuzzi let him go he would have DROPPED. I would be VERY VERY surprised if he gets more then 10 games for it. I also doubt he'll even get 10 games... |
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03-09-2004, 03:38 PM
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the punch he hit him with knocked him out cold, that was clear, he didn't as much drive him to the ice as he did was hold on to him and fall on him, it's a bad situation for moore, but had bertuzzi maybe just let him drop to the ice face first it could have been even worse for him. |
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03-09-2004, 01:52 PM
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WTF do you want?
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They just said on the Radio a Monteal paper is reporting he's in surgey for 2 borken vertebre.
I think Bartuzzi might save himself some time and put the skates away now, I don't think he'll need them till next Season. |
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03-09-2004, 02:03 PM
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the police are investigating it now. The fact remains this shouldn't be a police investigation. Was it a cheap hit yes. Was it overboard yes. should Moore still be playing when he was in two fights in the first period and the score was 7-2? NO if you turtle in fights and wont go but you have a target something is gonna happen. I believe the suspension that he'll get is to the end of the first round of the play-offs. I also think that's fair.
I meant nikolishion ant my B Blake lost his fight. |
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03-09-2004, 06:14 PM
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03-09-2004, 02:34 PM
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so appearently the coach on colorado made up the rumor of the Vertabrae and it's actually a sprianed neck,concussion and cut to the face.
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