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Old 04-06-2008, 01:14 AM   #1
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Money in the Bank - pre 2005
Thought of something. Hypothetically, if MITB had been around in years past, who do you think would have been instead booked to win the case and recieved that push that year? Since it's been around, it seems to go to a certain kind of star on the brink of stardom but stuck in the midcard. So who in the past may have gotten this chance to springboard them. It doesn't have to mean they would have won the title with it like they always have since it's existed.

1998: The Rock
1999: Road Dogg
2000: Chris Jericho
2001: Angle
2002: Edge
2003: Booker T
2004: Orton

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Old 04-06-2008, 01:16 AM   #2
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Really it's just who would have won the King of the Ring if it was still around.
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Old 04-06-2008, 01:22 AM   #3
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That's a good point. MITB is the goods
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Old 04-06-2008, 01:39 AM   #4
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I'll play along, going with the original 6 Man entrance deal

1998 - Ken Shamrock (Granted I know he won KoTR that year, but he just had the hype surround him that he was going to be a WWF/E champion around this time, just never happened)

Other Entrants - Owen Hart, Steve Blackman, The Rock, Triple H, Taka Michinoku, Marc Mero

1999 - X-Pac (I know we shit all over the guy, but around this time, he was so over, and still somewhat awesome, people shit all over the fact, that he ruined Kane for us, but I felt that, it helped this guy out, I figured at this time, that after Shamrock and Triple H, he was due for a run at the WWE championship, then he started sucking)

Other Entrants - Edge, D'Lo Brown, Billy Gunn, Road Dogg, Ken Shamrock, Val Venis

2000 - Chris Jericho - Jericho was intercontinental Champion, and ended up becoming a one night european champion at this mania, in a different twist of fate, I would of saw him taking the Money In The Bank if it was around.

Other Entrants - Kurt Angle, Edge, Jeff Hardy, X-Pac, Bubba Ray Dudley, Chyna

2001 - Chris Benoit - Benoit in 2000, after nearly taking the WWE Championship from the Rock, somewhat fell off into IC Title contention, He would rebound to win it this year, Sadly hopefully a neck injury a few years before wouldn't damage him.

Other Entrants - Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Edge & Kane

2002 - Rob Van Dam - He was so hot in 2001, when he came into the WWE, and making his first wrestlemania apperance, this time winning the Money In The Bank, as opposed to the Intercontinental Championship, This would also be the first case, where the previcious winner wasn't enter into the match, due to Benoit neck injury.

Other Entrants - DDP, Edge, Booker T, Christian, Tajiri, Test

2003 - Chris Benoit - After a year missed because of action, and nearly defeated Kurt Angle for the WWE Championship just months before in a classic, Benoit redeems himself and becomes the first man to repeat as Money In The Bank, I would of had Edge winning this if he didn't get injured at No Way Out.

Other Entrants - Eddie Guerrero, Christian, The Hurricane (Fresh off his defeat of The Rock), Rob Van Dam, Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy

2004 - Christian (Christian would of gotten the nod in my mind, He was mega over as a heel in the whole Jericho/Trish/Himself Triangle thing, I would of still had the outcome of the Jericho match happen here, with him and Jericho battling, then Trish seemingly coming to the aid of Jericho only to cost him the match)

Other Entrants - Chris Jericho, Rob Van Dam, Booker T, Rey Mysterio, John Cena
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Old 04-06-2008, 04:01 AM   #5
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1995 - Duke "The Dumpster" Drose
1996 - Barry Windham
1997 - Fake Razor

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Actually, Destor is spot-on about KOTR = MITB. KOTR push was a little more subtle, but it's quite similar.
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:15 AM   #6
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MITB > KOTR though. KOTR was kinda boring in the end.
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Old 04-06-2008, 07:50 AM   #7
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Well, they needed something to replace the TLC matches, and the MITB gimmick is a fantastic way to keep elements of the TLC and adding a main event status stipulation with the contract.
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Old 04-06-2008, 07:51 AM   #8
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KotR > MITB.
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Old 04-06-2008, 08:36 AM   #9
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well what a surprise st jimmy disagrees with me. SHOCKING.
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Old 04-06-2008, 09:53 AM   #10
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Yeah KotR way > MitB.
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Old 04-06-2008, 09:58 AM   #11
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Yeah cause kotr had way more exciting/unusual moments than MITB.
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:02 AM   #12
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I'm not a spot junkie so having unusual spots isn't really that relevant to me. Tournaments are awesome just for the record. Beyond that while MitB is good mindless fun on a card you tel a better story in a match and connect with the audience in a bigger way. KotR added a hell of a lot more prestige to the winner than MitB does. The winner on MitB has to win the title before he gets his rub, which then it's the strap putting him over and not the match itself.

Way better matches in KotR as well.
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:05 AM   #13
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The thing that bothered me with kotr is, most of the results were predictable and the matches weren't ever really that good imo.
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:16 AM   #14
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To each their own, but I'd still argue the potential of KotR tournament is greater than that of the MitB match.
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:19 AM   #15
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I would argue the opposite, cause with kotr you might get a great match every now and then, but with MITB you basically know what you're gonna get and that there will be something unique happining.
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:26 AM   #16
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I dunno, that sounds like TNA logic to me.s
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:29 AM   #17
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:39 AM   #18
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:52 AM   #19
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I'd rather have MitB, but if I could have them both at different points in the yeah, I'd love it. In fact, having three chances a year to significantly elevate someone (Royal Tumble, KotR, MitB) would be pretty awesome, especially considering they're promoting people on three fucking shows. Granted, winning Money in the Bank or the Rumble usually means you're moving to Raw, but whatever.
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Yeah, I think it's a great idea. It's like when there's a wrestler who you know ain't ready to carry a strap or beleiveable for a run for one, or you want to test reaction to him etc. Or push him but not quite to title level (like Kennedy, Hardy, Umanga, Big Show??) etc. KotR is perfect. Gives a great basis for some matches leading up to it on RAW and it's one less major writing job for the creative team as all they need to do is work out the tourney winner and go from there. Saves much more time than writing each week for someone.
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The MITB is a better and more interesting way to push a talent. KOTR is a tournament, which was awesome, but it wasn't clicking for a few years there. It was basically it meant you were in store for great things, but in kayfabe it meant nothing. There was no reason for a wrestler to bust their ass to win a crown.

Now you have a title shot in a case that can be used at any time, and even defended like a title. It is far more interesting and has way more potential as a plot device than winning some tournament that the wrestler brags about for a month until their next program after Summerslam.

When KOTR became for a title shot at summerslam it was still inferior because it was for a title shot at a set date and time, and it still had the same downfalls Destor talks about when it comes to thrusting someone into a push. The year long case is better, and you don't HAVE to win. You can cash in and have a great match and go back to climbing up the ladder with that big rub under your belt.
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I guess the KOTR matches had the potential to be better, since they were 1 on 1 matches, but they rarely were. They also didn't have much behind them or story in them between the compettitors, nor did the crowd give a flying fuck. MITB matches of course are spotfest, but the best spotfests in the industry, and a shitload of fun for the crowd, and something to do for a bunch of guys who deserve to be on the card in a high profile match at the biggest show of the year
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Old 04-06-2008, 01:48 PM   #23
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You make some fine points, a lot of them I can't refute. But when you say KotR had no meaning in kayfabe I have to disagree. I'm not arguing it's prestigue, while I think it had plenty it's not the issue. KotR had meaning in kayfabe because it put all the guys who couldn't break through the glass ceiling in the biggest angle in the company for a month or so. And when it culminated one of those men was declared better than the pack.

After that he may get a shot at the title, he may not. But the ride continues. With MitB you're just waiting. (It's coming off like I don't lke MitB, I do, I just prefer KotR.) It's not as interesting to me. the first few times sure but it gotton bland for all ready and if it wasn't Punk getting the rub I owldn't be interested at all. With King of the ring they continue their road but now with the spot light directly on him.

Look at Steve Austin, he won the King in '96 and it was the birth of the rest of his career. After that EVERYONE was paying attention to him. But it wasn't until '98 that he actually got the belt.

Similar with HHH in '97. with the victory in KotR he proved he was above the rest. But he wasn't thrusted into a main event match up he wasn't ready for. It just gave him more exposure.

Angle almost became a mainevent the second he won KotR.

Was Kennedy ready for a world title win? hell even a match for it when he won the case? If he hadn't got injured he definatly would have one, but probably both. But was he ready for a KotR win? Yeah. More exposure is good. And if he fails to get the interestyou want him to you can just forget about him. With MitB you all most have to do somehting epic (it could be an epic fail too I guess.)

It just seems like there is less freedom with the MitB than KotR. Thant and I don't like the idea of the WWE marrying a gimick match every year at wrestle manina.
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I wouldn't mind them both co-existing
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Exactly what I was saying above. I think it would be logical to be honest.

WWE is gearing a better product lately, 6 months ago I just couldn't give a fuck. But now it's not so bad. i think if they looked at bringing KotR back, it would fill a nice gap between WM and SummerSlam... or if u love it enough, TGAB.
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Old 04-06-2008, 03:48 PM   #26
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I'd like a good tournament for a change. Seriously, what ever happened to a good tournament. One with some build and meaning behind it.

I'd like to see a world title tournament like deadly games. They've had plenty of chances with vacated titles in past years.

Why there wasn't a tournament at No Mercy this past year is really beyond me
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It seems to me that the Money in the Bank match has become redundent. The concept of the match is nice, and the setup is creates after the match is cool, but it is beginning to become predictible with its unpredictability, if you know what I mean. I am not saying get rid of the match altogether, but I don't think it should be a annual match at Wrestlemania. Eventually it will become like the Elimination Chamber where it just is blah after a while.
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MITB is the best tradition or annual event the WWE has adopted in 15 years
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Hey i just remembered they did have KOTR return in a shitty way a while back i can't remember what year, very recent, just the quarter finals and semi finals were on raw or smackdown. Anyone know what year that was? I agree btw jeritron.
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Maybe have the Money in the Bank match be a traditional match at a generic pay per view, like No Mercy or something. What the WWE has done is dump a bunch of upper mid carders, including the IC and US champions apparently, into this one large match. All this does is divert the company from developing some solid feuds that would make for some solid matches at Wrestlemania.
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Maybe have the Money in the Bank match be a traditional match at a generic pay per view, like No Mercy or something. What the WWE has done is dump a bunch of upper mid carders, including the IC and US champions apparently, into this one large match. All this does is divert the company from developing some solid feuds that would make for some solid matches at Wrestlemania.
Pretty much my problem with it. I was fine with it the first two years but there are a lot of guys who would have benefited better by being in some hot ass singles matches (or a fucking tag match.) Instead they're jumbled in a match that doesn't promote the individuals but the gimmick. People get hyped for the carnage, not the participants.
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2006 with King Booker geting crowned the winner. It was SD! only though.
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NO. MITB should stay at wrestlemania.Its perfect.
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NO. MITB should stay at wrestlemania.Its perfect.
So you don't mind that, at the largest pay per view of the year, the IC/US/whatever title, which is supposed to be the second most important title the company has to offer, is not defended because said champion is tossed into some quick fix match?

Maybe have a rule where anyone with a title cannot enter the match or something, I don't know.
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IC title hasn't been defended at mania in like 6 years...
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That is the one downfall, but overall the match itsself needs to be there i feel.
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I am with Destor on this as I liked MITB when it first started, but now it's just getting repetative for me. I'm not a big spotfest fan either, but I think it's good they only do it like once a year. It does make for a fun match at Mania and gets a couple mid-upper mid carders on the show in one match.

I do think that KOTR and MITB can coexist. Maybe you can have the KOTR winner fight the previous MITB winner at Summerslam (I'm making KOTR in June) to keep the contract for the title meaning something in the public eye. But that could just be a storyline one year and you wouldn't have to do it every year.
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I am with Destor on this as I liked MITB when it first started, but now it's just getting repetative for me. I'm not a big spotfest fan either, but I think it's good they only do it like once a year. It does make for a fun match at Mania and gets a couple mid-upper mid carders on the show in one match.

I do think that KOTR and MITB can coexist. Maybe you can have the KOTR winner fight the previous MITB winner at Summerslam (I'm making KOTR in June) to keep the contract for the title meaning something in the public eye. But that could just be a storyline one year and you wouldn't have to do it every year.

I'd just keep KOTR seperate and for the love of god, put something at stake. I think putting something at stake makes the whole thing make more sense. A title shot at Great American Bash sounds about right. They should also restore it's credibility early if they chose to bring it back. By that I mean have someone like HHH or Batista or someone whos an established star choose to compete and then win. That way, it looks like something to obtain and means a real rub for up and coming stars when they win it, instead of just a stepping stone. The title shot the next month stipulation also prevents WWE from having the oppurtunity to waste it or chance it on someone who doesnt deserve a title shot.
Having someone like Billy Gunn or Mable win was ridiculous, because they hadn't earned a title shot yet and WWF was hoping throwing a crown on them would buy them a new star (unlike the MITB winners who seem to have earned it in advance and recieve it as a prop to make that happen)
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IC championship can be defended AND have the MITB. They did it last year with the US belt. Theres enough talent. It also doesn't have to be 7 or 8 men, it can be 6.
That's not a downfall of it, it's just what they've chosen to do. If that's a problem for someone they should blame WWE and not the match itself because both can coexist

Also, Money in the Bank should remain at wrestlemania and wrestlemania only. It's perfect


Also, the MITB is immensely awesome as it is, but it's got so much potential still. I mean, we've yet to see someone lose with their case, or do something unique. People cashing in unexpectedly will provide more great moments. We've yet to see someone use it that night, and yet to see someone wait all year and demand a wrestlemania title shot the year after. We've yet to see two compettitors tie by both falling with the case.
There's a lot of things to do, and a lot of great moments they can be used to accomplish which will give the match it's legacy like a royal rumble or king of the ring has had.

Have you caught on to the fact I love MITB yet?
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