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Old 12-28-2008, 03:48 AM   #1
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Is Shawn Michaels the greatest of all time?
Is "HBK" Shawn Michaels the greatest professional wrestler of all time?




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Old 12-28-2008, 03:53 AM   #2
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I don't want to answer this definitively, but I'll say it's very possible
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Old 12-28-2008, 03:54 AM   #3
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No, some Canadian is.
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Old 12-28-2008, 03:55 AM   #4
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Old 12-28-2008, 04:07 AM   #5
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Old 12-28-2008, 03:55 AM   #6
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Old 12-28-2008, 03:59 AM   #7
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Is "HBK" Shawn Michaels the greatest professional wrestler of all time?
Possibly. He's certainly always been very high on the list of my favourites.
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Old 12-28-2008, 04:06 AM   #8
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Calling someone the best ever is always a hard call, as everyone will always have conflicting views as to what is and isn't great. Someone like Bret Hart WAS a great technition. Whether you like or hate the guy, you can't really argue that point. Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, The Rock, and SCSA were all great draws.

But at the end of the day, who really at this point in time bar HBK could claim to be THE best? IMO, nobody. Kurt Angle may have been the one to possibly dethrone him eventually, but I don't think he'll ever accomplish what Shawn Michaels has.
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Old 12-28-2008, 04:10 AM   #9
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Old 12-28-2008, 10:38 AM   #10
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Our better wrestler thread says no.
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Old 12-28-2008, 10:44 AM   #11
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Close, I would say Number 2. Flair gets my vote for greatest of all time and I will stand by that till the day I die.
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Old 12-28-2008, 10:56 AM   #12
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Close, I would say Number 2. Flair gets my vote for greatest of all time and I will stand by that till the day I die.
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Old 12-28-2008, 12:23 PM   #13
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But Michaels beat Flair at Wrestlemania, so surely he's the best.
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Old 12-28-2008, 12:32 PM   #14
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But Michaels beat Flair at Wrestlemania, so surely he's the best.
Who has more DVDs? Who wrestled for longer? Who has held more Championships? KAYFABE: Who's now in need of a Financial Back/ Advisor?
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Old 12-28-2008, 12:33 PM   #15
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You make excellent points. I'll say Flair is the best for now, but only because he never sold out to that meany head, JBL.
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Old 12-28-2008, 12:27 PM   #16
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He may be the most well rounded wrestler of all time. How does that sound?
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Old 12-28-2008, 12:40 PM   #19
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I wouldn't even label him as one of the greatest, tbh. He's definately a great 'Showman', but that's as much credit as I'd give him. When I think 'Wrestling', I think back to the old AWA. There wasn't any glitz or glammer there, no pyrotechnics, titantrons. Just a ring for them to show the fans who they were and what they can do. Shawn Michaels was just turning 20 and got his start there with Marty jannetty as part of the Midnight Rockers, as did alot of current wrestlers. Back then, the late Curt Hennig woulda earned my vote as one of the greatest over Michaels.

I honestly can't really pinpoint one as being the undisputed 'Greatest' when there are so many to compare and contrast.
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So can we agree that he's the greatest sports entertainer of all time?
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So can we agree that he's the greatest sports entertainer of all time?
Only because you agreed with me that Flair is the greatest WRESTLER of all time. Yes I agree with you.
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Old 12-28-2008, 12:52 PM   #22
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I'd agree that he is the greatest sports entertainer, in a WWE context of all-time. Professional wrestler? Probably not even in my top ten. Shawn Michaels is my fav of all-time though.
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Old 12-28-2008, 01:31 PM   #24
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I'd agree that he is the greatest sports entertainer, in a WWE context of all-time. Professional wrestler? Probably not even in my top ten. Shawn Michaels is my fav of all-time though.
Not in your top ten? Really? Wow.
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Old 12-28-2008, 01:33 PM   #25
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No respectable online smark site places him in the top 20.
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No respectable online smark site places him in the top 20.
Yes, because Japanese wrestlers who work stiff and 90% of fuckers have no clue what the story of the match is other than OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH THAT SO STIFF!!!! (I know there are several Japanese wrestlers who can work amazing matches with amazing psychology).

Also, Mexico has no psychology and is just a giant clusterfuck with shiny masks...except La Parka. He is the man.
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For North America he's top ten, but I'm counting Japan and I haven't even seen stuff from Mexico.
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Old 12-28-2008, 01:37 PM   #28
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My argument is that HBK can wrestle any style, do promos, and is an international draw (Canadians shut up). HBK can wrestle anybody and make them look like $1,000,000. Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels are so close to each other on this for me personally, but Shawn Michaels ability to work any style gives him the edge over the naitch. Now, if HBK would have never came back in 2002, his legacy would probably be like that of a great wrestler who was an asshole and drug addict who died being a dumbass leaving his family behind.
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My argument is that HBK can wrestle any style, do promos, and is an international draw (Canadians shut up). HBK can wrestle anybody and make them look like $1,000,000. Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels are so close to each other on this for me personally, but Shawn Michaels ability to work any style gives him the edge over the naitch. Now, if HBK would have never came back in 2002, his legacy would probably be like that of a great wrestler who was an asshole and drug addict who died being a dumbass leaving his family behind.
I think we have a winner, no need for this thread anymore.
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You can still discuss the topic, KK does it all the time.
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Old 12-28-2008, 02:25 PM   #31
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HBK, ring-wise, is going to be up there in the top 3. He can wrestle any style and make people look better than they really are. It is a shame that i can watch HBK v. Shelton Benjamin at any time and never get bored of it. And that was almost 4 years ago. Kurt Angle is probably the closest that would've ever caught up to him tho, so i do agree with that JS. The only problem with Angle was he couldn't pull of a high-flying type of match or he would be up there.

The greatest would probably be Flair, just because he scaled through the major promotions and did GREAT in all of them. Sometimes when a wrestler switches companies, they will not do as good as the previous one. Flair did great in NWA, WCW, AND WWF/E. FTR, his departure was probably the best way you could have one as a legend. Austin, Rock, Foley, Hart are going to have "meh" departures included in their resumes`. Flair's was like a movie.
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HBK, ring-wise, is going to be up there in the top 3. He can wrestle any style and make people look better than they really are. It is a shame that i can watch HBK v. Shelton Benjamin at any time and never get bored of it. And that was almost 4 years ago. Kurt Angle is probably the closest that would've ever caught up to him tho, so i do agree with that JS. The only problem with Angle was he couldn't pull of a high-flying type of match or he would be up there.

The greatest would probably be Flair, just because he scaled through the major promotions and did GREAT in all of them. Sometimes when a wrestler switches companies, they will not do as good as the previous one. Flair did great in NWA, WCW, AND WWF/E. FTR, his departure was probably the best way you could have one as a legend. Austin, Rock, Foley, Hart are going to have "meh" departures included in their resumes`. Flair's was like a movie.
I have to disagree about Kurt Angle not being able to work a "high flying" sort of match. His stuff with Rey Mysterio was always fun. After Rey Mysterio won the 2006 Royal Rumble, they should have just gone straight in with Angle and Rey as the main event of WrestleMania 22, and let them actually fucking wrestle.

Also, Angle can pull off one of the best moonsaults I have ever seen (possibly the best), and sure, it didn't end up too pretty, but the man has it in him to do a 450 Splash. Shawn Michaels may have gotten his start as a fast-paced, high flying worker, but he's toned down a lot over the years to the point where I think he and Angle are sort of comparable in terms of their ability to take to the air.

That being said, while I think Shawn Michaels is one of the most exciting wrestlers to ever step into the ring, with so many classics behind him, labeling someone as the best ever is a bit of a risk. I wouldn't like to say that there is a "best ever," because you have some guys who drew a lot more than Shawn Michaels has dreamed of, and you have guys that have just as many ring classics to their name.

If someone asks you what the best movie of all-time is, even if you don't like them, there are some answers you can go with: Citizen Kane, The Godfather, etc., and you will technically be correct. They might not be your favourite, but generally they are regarded as "the best." The way I perceive it, there are some wrestlers that you can just get away with calling "the best." They would be Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Bret Hart and Ric Flair. Each one has a ring of truth to it. I'd say that Shawn Michaels is "one of the best."
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Shawn can outwrestle anyone, can cut a great promo. He will go down as one of the bests ever





But he isn't Ric Flair
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Shawn Michaels is nowhere close to being the best. The best 3 would be Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, and Stone Cole Steve Austin. Can't really pick between those 3.
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Yes... and no. He is easily one of the greatest. I don't think there really is a "greatest" though. You can compare HBK and Flair for hours, and in the end, there's really not a wrong answer, both are amazing, and some just prefer one over the other... The same argument can be made for tons of wrestlers.
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