why does everyone hate cena?

[HBKool96]

he's a good guy who does what right. let's compare cena to other wrestlers with wwe.

will regal- when was the last time cena got suspended for drugs?
randy orton- i can't make any jokes about cena using too many headlocks.
mvp- cena has never been on a losing streak.
val venis- at least cena gets time on tv.
edge- cena beat edge at his own match, the tlc.
mark henry- at least cena doesn't need a manager.
jillian hall- i bet cena's album outsold hers.
chris jericho- cena is a better wrestler, which is why he has had more titles.
mankind- cena still wrestles for the biggest company.


he's better than them.

[KYR]

Oh dear.

[FourFifty]

.........Did that kid REALLY mention Venis, or do I need to cut back on my drinking?

[KYR]

Not even Noid can save him now.

[D Mac]

Because he sucks. Duh

[Lock Jaw]

Didn't Jillian Hall's Christmas Album sell better than Cena's?

[therocksays]

this person is probably 12.

[El Fangel]

Odds

3-1 A sock
10-1 A girl
1-1 An idiot

[Fignuts]

He makes a lot of sense, guys.

[Kalyx triaD]

Originally Posted by HBKool96 he's a good guy who does what right. let's compare cena to other wrestlers with wwe. will regal- when was the last time cena got suspended for drugs? randy orton- i can't make any jokes about cena using too many headlocks. mvp- cena has never been on a losing streak. val venis- at least cena gets time on tv. edge- cena beat edge at his own match, the tlc. mark henry- at least cena doesn't need a manager. jillian hall- i bet cena's album outsold hers. chris jericho- cena is a better wrestler, which is why he has had more titles. mankind- cena still wrestles for the biggest company. he's better than them.

[thedamndest]

People in Laos probably don't hate Cena.

[redoneja]

Originally Posted by thedamndest People in Laos probably don't hate Cena.

They do prefer the Whopper to Cena though.

[Legend Killer]

Originally Posted by redoneja They do prefer the Whopper to Cena though.

John Cena once walked into a McDonalds and ordered a Whopper and got one.

[Fox]

I don't like Cena cause I can't see him, and I don't like things that I can't see, like air and the space between glass and ninjas. If he made himself more visible I might change my perspective on this Cena character.

[SuperSlim]

I was just curious if the kid was serious or not. Because I'm really... really... REALLY hoping this is nothing more than one of those spam joke threads. Well not really jokes cause jokes are supposed to be funny.. like funny haha and this one definitely did not deliver.

[KYR]

No. I do think he's serious.

[Fignuts]

Honestly you're all just haters. Hating on Cena just because its "cool".

Well irrefutable logic says differently.

HBKool96 just pwned every one of you.

[Fox]

F-U Fignuts

[KYR]

I have to disagree.

In recent times there has been marked recognition in this forum for the work Cena does for charities, kids, troops etc.

We have also acknowledged his work ethic for the WWE.

What we "mostly" agree on is that he can't wrestle.

[.44 Magdalene]

And that the way he's pushed is obnoxious

[.44 Magdalene]

Really, I don't know too many people that genuinely hate Cena. I just know alot of people who are tired of seeing him. There's such thing as too much

[KYR]

There's no denying that he is one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) money-spinners for the WWE - in this respect, he is a HUGE success.

However, that doesn't mean I have to like him as a wrestler.

[D Mac]

jillian hall- i bet cena's album outsold hers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I actually hope it's real and not a sock. I just don't think socks are funny. Complete sincerity attached to this would make it a lot more amusing, not to make fun of the poor kid.

People generally dislike Cena because he's a G-rated paper-cut personality attached to a boringly rigid moveset. He's one of the most pretentious acts in the company, and although he's actually a talented wrestler, they never let him work to his in-ring strengths.

He was shoved down our throats as this do-gooder babyface, even though what made him stand-out in the first place was this "I don't give a fuck attitude." What's worse is that they still try to sell him as a guy fighting the world, what with his "controversial" crowd reactions and "beating the odds" storylines.

He's always the champion for some reason too, which is just boring. And even though he sells merchandise, Cena has not proven to be a massive draw, in the most traditional sense of the word.

Plus, he did those God-awful things to the WWE Title and US Title, for which he may never be forgiven.

[DaveWadding]

Originally Posted by Noid I just don't think socks are funny.

[Darc]

Originally Posted by Noid People generally dislike Cena because he's a G-rated paper-cut personality attached to a boringly rigid moveset. He's one of the most pretentious acts in the company, and although he's actually a talented wrestler, they never let him work to his in-ring strengths.

I'd say people generally dislike Cena because he is the company man and people cannot stand it (I say people, i mean smarks, which are like people but with delusions of grandure). They do not want to cheer for someone who is, lets be blunt about, aimed at children. But guess what? This isn't the Attitude Era any more. Those fans are long gone watching MMA. WWE is so low in the ratings now because the fans moved on at around 2001, when the Attitude Era was still in play. WWE's decision to go PG is the smartest thing they have done in a long time. Going PG means they get their audience young. That audience is going to grow up loving WWE and most will continue to watch well into their teens. Then they will be adults, and they will still be loyal to WWE. This is a smart direction and has proven successful 1001 times before.

What is rigid about a flying rocker dropper, by the way?

Originally Posted by Noid He's always the champion for some reason too, which is just boring. And even though he sells merchandise, Cena has not proven to be a massive draw, in the most traditional sense of the word.

"Always"? If he was always champion he'd have won the title at No Mercy or Mania when he returned, but he didn't. They kepts the title on Orton, and while CM Punk was champion he was well out of the way. This is his first title reign in a year.

And what exactly do you mean by "traditional sense of the word"? His return made RAW ratings increase by .4, he is selling more merchandise than anyone else, and has more gatesales than most guys in WWE. In what sense is he not a massive draw?

Originally Posted by Noid Plus, he did those God-awful things to the WWE Title and US Title, for which he may never be forgiven.

Merchandise = Money. It was ingenious of WWE to do it, especially since titles are nothing more than props.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Darc I'd say people generally dislike Cena because he is the company man and people cannot stand it (I say people, i mean smarks, which are like people but with delusions of grandure).

The hate predates him being "the company man." Smarks or otherwise, it's hard to call this the cause of the hate, since it comes afterwards.

They do not want to cheer for someone who is, lets be blunt about, aimed at children.

Again, booed before then. Not that I can't empathise with adults in a market which courts the male 18-34 demo while their number one guy is courting children.

But enough about Vince's sex life....

But guess what? This isn't the Attitude Era any more. Those fans are long gone watching MMA. WWE is so low in the ratings now because the fans moved on at around 2001, when the Attitude Era was still in play. WWE's decision to go PG is the smartest thing they have done in a long time. Going PG means they get their audience young. That audience is going to grow up loving WWE and most will continue to watch well into their teens. Then they will be adults, and they will still be loyal to WWE. This is a smart direction and has proven successful 1001 times before.

Untrue.

WWE maintained solid ratings leaving the Attitude Era. While they could no longer maintain 6-8.0 ratings, what they did was not only respectable, but had the honor of topping the Nielsens almost any week sporting events weren't on cable. They regularly did 4.0s and higher, which translated into 6-8 MILLION or more.

Now, they only make it to the top ten half the time, even without major competition, they're being beaten by Nickelodeon shows (this will be important later), and they top at about five million. That's the top. So they've lost over 3 million on average. When did that start? Not the end of the Attitude Era. The beginning of the Cenation....Since then, they've gone from fours to mid threes to mid twos.

So, they're appealing to children. Children tend to want a lot of merchandise, which works. These same children aren't affecting the market, not in a positive sense.

WWE is now facing dedicated children's programming. While they're losing the adult viewers, they aren't significantly picking up the children. Part of this may be the fact that WWE Monday Night Raw is on at 9 PM, but the bottom line is, on most weeks, WWE is losing to Spongebob, Zack and Cody, iCarly, etc. The week of the fifth, which was a GOOD week for WWE, had four kids programs on it, and WWE barely beat out reruns of NCIS for the 3 and 4 slots. Where does this ratings boon factor in? Oh, right. It's gone.

"Always"? If he was always champion he'd have won the title at No Mercy or Mania when he returned, but he didn't. They kepts the title on Orton, and while CM Punk was champion he was well out of the way. This is his first title reign in a year.

Allow me to translate.

"Always" is Noid-speak for "anything short of nothing."

Replace Noid-speak with smark-speak if you like. Same diff. Noid's just a particularly rabid one.

Still, Cena has had amazingly long title reigns and held the belt a Hell of a lot. Hyperbole aside, there is a valid point there.

And what exactly do you mean by "traditional sense of the word"? His return made RAW ratings increase by .4, he is selling more merchandise than anyone else, and has more gatesales than most guys in WWE. In what sense is he not a massive draw?

Really? Edge winning the title provided a larger increase in ratings, and that was even less temporary. He's selling more merch, the only true part of the statement, attendances are down in both seats sold and buys. Gates are up because they increased ticket prices. Even WWE's financial reports admit this.

Merchandise = Money. It was ingenious of WWE to do it, especially since titles are nothing more than props.

Ticket sales and PPV buys also=money. Unfortunately, those numbers are dwindling, so we're not looking at a great run overall here. Losing fans will hurt merch eventually, and WWE can't continue to just jack prices to keep the gates up. Eventually, they price themselves right out of their desired market.

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight The hate predates him being "the company man." Smarks or otherwise, it's hard to call this the cause of the hate, since it comes afterwards. Again, booed before then. Not that I can't empathise with adults in a market which courts the male 18-34 demo while their number one guy is courting children. But enough about Vince's sex life.... Untrue. WWE maintained solid ratings leaving the Attitude Era. While they could no longer maintain 6-8.0 ratings, what they did was not only respectable, but had the honor of topping the Nielsens almost any week sporting events weren't on cable. They regularly did 4.0s and higher, which translated into 6-8 MILLION or more. Now, they only make it to the top ten half the time, even without major competition, they're being beaten by Nickelodeon shows (this will be important later), and they top at about five million. That's the top. So they've lost over 3 million on average. When did that start? Not the end of the Attitude Era. The beginning of the Cenation....Since then, they've gone from fours to mid threes to mid twos. So, they're appealing to children. Children tend to want a lot of merchandise, which works. These same children aren't affecting the market, not in a positive sense. WWE is now facing dedicated children's programming. While they're losing the adult viewers, they aren't significantly picking up the children. Part of this may be the fact that WWE Monday Night Raw is on at 9 PM, but the bottom line is, on most weeks, WWE is losing to Spongebob, Zack and Cody, iCarly, etc. The week of the fifth, which was a GOOD week for WWE, had four kids programs on it, and WWE barely beat out reruns of NCIS for the 3 and 4 slots. Where does this ratings boon factor in? Oh, right. It's gone. Allow me to translate. "Always" is Noid-speak for "anything short of nothing." Replace Noid-speak with smark-speak if you like. Same diff. Noid's just a particularly rabid one. Still, Cena has had amazingly long title reigns and held the belt a Hell of a lot. Hyperbole aside, there is a valid point there. Really? Edge winning the title provided a larger increase in ratings, and that was even less temporary. He's selling more merch, the only true part of the statement, attendances are down in both seats sold and buys. Gates are up because they increased ticket prices. Even WWE's financial reports admit this. Ticket sales and PPV buys also=money. Unfortunately, those numbers are dwindling, so we're not looking at a great run overall here. Losing fans will hurt merch eventually, and WWE can't continue to just jack prices to keep the gates up. Eventually, they price themselves right out of their desired market.

Shut up noid.

Wait a second, Kane Knight posted all this crap I'm never going to read?

Shut up Knoid Knight.

[Darc]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Actually, Edge winning the title provided a larger increase in ratings, and that was even less temporary.

It was not Edge that spiked those ratings. It was the manor in which he won the title. A promise of "Live Sex" also didn't do any harm either.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Cena's selling more merch, yes, but attendances are down in both seats sold and buys.

Which has been happening consistently since 2001.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Even WWE's financial reports admit this. Ticket sales and PPV buys also = money. Unfortunately, those numbers are dwindling, so we're not looking at a great run overall here. Losing fans will hurt merch eventually, and WWE can't continue to just jack prices to keep the gates up. Eventually, they price themselves right out of their desired market.

I don't really see your point here. What has any of that got to do with John Cena or even any wrestler.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight He was booed before then. Not that I can't empathise with adults in a market which courts the male 18-34 demo while their number one guy is courting children.

WWE turned PG officially a few months back, but it is very noticeable that the product has been PG for a long time. The 18-34 demo is no longer the importance, because as i said, they are no longer seen as "loyal".

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Untrue. WWE maintained solid ratings leaving the Attitude Era. While they could no longer maintain 6-8.0 ratings, what they did was not only respectable, but had the honor of topping the Nielsens almost any week sporting events weren't on cable. They regularly did 4.0s and higher, which translated into 6-8 MILLION or more.

As i said, they have been consistently dropping since around 2001/2. You really proved that yourself there. They are currently getting around 3.5, compared to 4.0s, compared to the 6.0s. A consistent decline since before John Cena even made his debut.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight When did that start? Not the end of the Attitude Era. The beginning of the Cenation....Since then, they've gone from fours to mid threes to mid twos

You'll find it started to happen once the novelty of the draft wore-off. That being around mid-2002 when Cena was about to debut. It has been consistently falling since.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight So, they're appealing to children. Children tend to want a lot of merchandise, which works. These same children aren't affecting the market, not in a positive sense.

In what way are they effecting the business in a negative sense? They are buying the product, they are watching the show, and they are becoming loyal viewers. If i was running a wrestling TV show, or any TV show for that matter, i'd give my left nut for that.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight WWE is now facing dedicated children's programming. While they're losing the adult viewers

Did they lose them or did they go away on their own accord? The latter is the most likely, considering the product never changed much when the figures started falling.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight they aren't significantly picking up the children.

Gates say different.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Part of this may be the fact that WWE Monday Night Raw is on at 9 PM, but the bottom line is, on most weeks, WWE is losing to Spongebob, Zack and Cody, iCarly, etc. The week of the fifth, which was a GOOD week for WWE, had four kids programs on it, and WWE barely beat out reruns of NCIS for the 3 and 4 slots. Where does this ratings boon factor in? Oh, right. It's gone.

Exactly. You get it. The boom period is gone. Ratings have been falling for a while now, because the audience moved on. That is no fault of WWE's or John Cena's or any of the wrestlers, it is the choice of the audience. Just like how interest in Sci-Fi movies spiked during the original Star Wars films, they fell right back down, and with wrestling the same has happened. You cannot pretend as if the Attitude Era was how the ratings should always be, because it was just a fad. As the ratings coming out of the "Rock N Wrestling" era will tell you, this decline has been happening for a while and would be happening no matter what direction WWE is in.

[RGWhat316]

Cena himself does not seem like a bad guy and he does try. However, I hate his massive push to the top and character the most. Though I also hate most of his main moves. The F-U and 5 knuckle shuffle are terrible. And I still don't know if he can correctly apply the stfu.

He doesn't even need to be a heel, but just a bad ass face, and I would actually like him. But he is really just a puppet that plays to the crowd too much, especially little kids.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Originally Posted by RGWhat316 And I still don't know if he can correctly apply the stfu.

He did choke Edge unconscious once.

[Vastardikai]

Because You Touch Yourself At Night.

[AKin3D]

[Mr. Nerfect]

Everyone says this every couple of days, but if John Cena turned heel, his whole dynamic would change. The way he spoke, the way he wrestled, even his image. Everything about him would be so fresh and new. When they do turn Cena heel, it will be fucking massive, I'll give them that.

Also, as horrible as this may be to say...I do not mind the STFU. I'm glad people shit all over Cena's execution on mere principle, but to be honest, if Cena trapped one of your legs, and then pulled back on your neck, I'm pretty sure that would fucking hurt.

[AKin3D]

Originally Posted by Noid Everyone says this every couple of days, but if John Cena turned heel, his whole dynamic would change. The way he spoke, the way he wrestled, even his image. Everything about him would be so fresh and new. When they do turn Cena heel, it will be fucking massive, I'll give them that. Also, as horrible as this may be to say...I do not mind the STFU. I'm glad people shit all over Cena's execution on mere principle, but to be honest, if Cena trapped one of your legs, and then pulled back on your neck, I'm pretty sure that would fucking hurt.

Yeah I think a Cena Heel turn could put him back up there where he was when he first picked up the rapper gimmic. I just find it sad that his character has had little to no growth what so ever. I mean when you hold him up next to Batista and Orton for character growth and wrestling ablities, I think Cena comes under Batista when it comes down to it. That's sad within itself.

As for the STFU. It's ok. I was just glad he got another move.

Oh and I'm so tired of his "Oh look I'm a fan too!" BS. Ok fine, your a fan. So is Edge, but you don't see him rambling on endless about it. Also if Cean was a fan and not a he would know what the real fans think about him.

[Disturbed316]

[GD]

You forgot to mention that he gets a boner while wrestling Canadians.

[AKin3D]

Originally Posted by Munda You forgot to mention that he gets a boner while wrestling Canadians.

[Halbowsky]

It's the same reason why people hate Halo:

Fot some reason, it became cool to hate the cool thing. And since it's not allowed to form your own opinion, people have to go with the majority just to look cool

[Verbose Minch]

Originally Posted by Halbowsky It's the same reason why people hate Halo: Fot some reason, it became cool to hate the cool thing. And since it's not allowed to form your own opinion, people have to go with the majority just to look cool

The reason people hate Halo is because it was terribly over hyped and is in fact, quite an average game. The only reason Halo made it to where it was is because it came out on a system, that at the time, had no games. Thus it was championed because it was just a little above average.