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Old 04-05-2009, 11:24 PM   #1
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So we build Orton up to be a beast and have him drop the entire McMahon family. He's basically the best thing going for months.....

....and then this.

Its not just that he lost, its the pathetic showing he had in the match. The best comparison I can draw is to the HBM/Taker match. Sure, we all know about the streak and how Taker was likely to win, but watching the match and getting into it, you felt like Michaels COULD win. You never got that feeling here. In fact, I'd say the whole match was anti climatic.

Great job, Vince. Everytime we get something going with Orton, we just have HHH cut him down at the legs.

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Old 04-05-2009, 11:29 PM   #2
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As I said in the main thread, I liked what they did with it and it worked well within the storyline. It's a bit disappointing Orton didn't come out on top but it came off more of a revenge match, which is what I figured it would be.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:41 PM   #3
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its the main event at the biggest show, you cant have a match like that
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:44 PM   #4
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You can, and you did. HHH was having an epic Mania losing streak. It was perfect build up for HHH to come out the conqering hero. He's a family man, and he won redemption for his kliq, I mean klan.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:44 PM   #5
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The problem is, there is really nothing they can do with Orton tomorrow night to make up for this either. Vince might as well find a new top heel to push, because Orton will never be the badass he could have been.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:45 PM   #6
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It felt like a Raw first hour main event. It was just boring and plodding and the ending was just a total flop.

i even enjoyed goldberg/lesnar better because of the crowd. Cena making HHH and HBK tap out was even better than that crap.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:46 PM   #7
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Storyline wise, there is no reason why Vince shouldn't fire Orton tomorrow
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:48 PM   #8
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I'm guessing they'll have Shane turn tomorrow, setting up a match at Backlash, where Orton will win. Basically turning what could have been a huge title win, and a really breakout moment, into a swerve and an after thought title change in the midst of a ongoing feud.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:52 PM   #9
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Yeah seriously. Orton getting the win over HHH at WM, would have established him as the unstoppable force that they've been building him up to, and is way more important than any "revenge" triple h got from beating him.

At the end of the day, no one would have cheered triple h less if he lost. But they won't take orton as much of a threat now that he lost.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:56 PM   #10
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Orton has a fairly "guaranteed" rematch, I'd say.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:03 AM   #11
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Yeah, but even if he wins it at backlash, it's not going to have nearly the impact it would have tonight. Just not the same.
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Yeah, but even if he wins it at backlash, it's not going to have nearly the impact it would have tonight. Just not the same.
Exactly. Backlash isn't the stage to make stars - that's Wrestlemania. They had a great opportunity tonight to put Orton on the map and they blew it. Sadly, it turned into the HHH show again.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:02 AM   #13
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How anyone who booked Mania thought HHH and Orton could put on a better show than UT and HBK is unbelievable. That main event completely killed the buzz the earlier match stirred up.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:08 AM   #14
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Honestly, they need to do two things... 1. Draft Orton away from HHH, along with the rest of the Legacy. 2. Tomorrow night, or next week, have HBK superkick the fuck out of HHH. Set up the feud, give HBK the belt, and give HBK the farewell run with the belt he deserves (assuming he's leaving after the next Mania.) Seriously, have him keep the belt from Backlash to WM 26. HBK is easily one of the top 5 guys when it comes to pulling great matches out of people, and unlike HHH half the time, HBK can make guys look great while doing it.
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This.

Triple H doesn't need the Mania wins anymore. He's at a point in his career where he should be happily doing the jobs in order to MAKE new stars. Instead, Vince jobs out what could've been arguably the biggest heel over the next 5 years.
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unlike HHH half the time, HBK can make guys look great while doing it.



Yeah really, HHH didn't do Orton any favors tonight
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:13 AM   #17
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I might be done completely here. At least in terms of keeping up with current stuff. I watched maybe 3 wwe/tna shows since WM 24. So I don't watch anymore. At the least, I keep tabs on whats going on, once in while. But even that might go out the window with this latest debacle. I honestly have no reason to care anymore.

I'll still probably get the documentary dvds, but thats pretty much it for me at this point. I'm done.
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...or watch TNA

Jerry Lynn as new champion > John Cena as new champion
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As badass as Jerry Lynn is, even him winning the ROH championship is not a good reason to watch TNA
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I keep up with Raw, but I don't fret when I miss out. But since Orton punted Vince, I've been glued. Mania did nothing with Orton that makes me care anymore. I think I'm going on a break. I'm extremely disappointed right now.

BTW, anyone else notice the dead silence that consumed the crowd after Orton was jobbed. I bet Vince didn't.
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not even going to go on a rant about my thoughts. it was bullshit.

anyway, I just wanted to comment about this being HHH's "revenge." Here's the problem with that label. To me, Triple H got his revenge on Orton multiple times already. what made this match be his revenge on Orton? He got his revenge when he attacked Orton with the sledgehammer. He got his revenge when he beat the shit out of Orton in his own home and threw him threw his own window. I think that's more of a revenge then pinning him in some wrestling ring. come on

Orton should of walked out of this match outsmarting The Game on the biggest stage of the year. He should of walked out of this match avenging his loss years ago. But yet again....
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:22 AM   #22
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It was a HHH match. What else did you expect? High quality? HHH isnt capable.
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I see we're back on the "let's hate Triple H because he's champion" bandwagon.
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Not at all. If the match was decent, and he didn't COMPLETELY bury Orton, I wouldn't have cared either way
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I'm on the lest's hate WM because it sucked so fucking bad bandwagon.
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Not at all. If the match was decent, and he didn't bury Orton, I wouldn't have cared either way
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I guess they needed to stick one belt on Smackdown! so they might have decided to stick the belt on H. As a whole, the whole event seems lack luster. I hope the Draft isn't so bad this year.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:33 AM   #28
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I'm not upset with the finish. I thought Orton showed himself well, the match was good. The finish was a bit abbrupt for me but nothing bad. Orton can use a legit beef what with Triple H using the sledgehammer to win the match. I'm happy with Wrestlemania.
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I'm not upset with the finish. I thought Orton showed himself well, the match was good. The finish was a bit abbrupt for me but nothing bad. Orton can use a legit beef what with Triple H using the sledgehammer to win the match. I'm happy with Wrestlemania.
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I'm not upset with the finish. I thought Orton showed himself well, the match was good. The finish was a bit abbrupt for me but nothing bad. Orton can use a legit beef what with Triple H using the sledgehammer to win the match. I'm happy with Wrestlemania.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought it wasn't horrible.

As for the quick finish, they were really close to going the full four hours (I think it ended at 10:59) and I suppose they had to cut the main event some, which is a bit ridiculous considering some of the filler.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:44 AM   #31
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Glad I'm not the only one who thought it wasn't horrible.

As for the quick finish, they were really close to going the full four hours (I think it ended at 10:59) and I suppose they had to cut the main event some, which is a bit ridiculous considering some of the filler.
You didn't like the 5 song medly that Kid Rock played or the fact that Mickey Rourke had to talk to Frank Shamrock for a few minutes before deciding to get in the ring with Jericho?

The main event should have been like 5 minutes longer but nothing I can complain about it was like 24 minutes as it was.

I don't know how people are thinking Orton looked weak in that match. He backdropped HHH through a table and hit two RKO's and would have beaten HHH if the ref wasn't out. Then it took HHH a sledgehammer to beat Orton. Was it the perfect match I was expecting? No, they could have done better. Did they stink up the joint? No, they still have more matches ledt for their feud we all know that this is going to Hell in a Cell at like Judgment Day or something and if Orton doesn't get the rub there I'll be with you guys in your furosity.

As for right now I'm happy, Wrestlemania had 5 good matches in it and the other 3 were either too short to matter or were made entertaining by seeing two of my favorites of all time (Jericho & Steamboat) go at it.

Perhaps I'm just easier to please.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:58 AM   #32
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You didn't like the 5 song medly that Kid Rock played or the fact that Mickey Rourke had to talk to Frank Shamrock for a few minutes before deciding to get in the ring with Jericho?

The main event should have been like 5 minutes longer but nothing I can complain about it was like 24 minutes as it was.

I don't know how people are thinking Orton looked weak in that match. He backdropped HHH through a table and hit two RKO's and would have beaten HHH if the ref wasn't out. Then it took HHH a sledgehammer to beat Orton. Was it the perfect match I was expecting? No, they could have done better. Did they stink up the joint? No, they still have more matches ledt for their feud we all know that this is going to Hell in a Cell at like Judgment Day or something and if Orton doesn't get the rub there I'll be with you guys in your furosity.

As for right now I'm happy, Wrestlemania had 5 good matches in it and the other 3 were either too short to matter or were made entertaining by seeing two of my favorites of all time (Jericho & Steamboat) go at it.

Perhaps I'm just easier to please.

Orton has yet to get the rub in big matches. What are people going to watch more, Wrestlemania or Judgement Day? who the hell cares about Judgement Day. Yea, I always see lots of Judgement Day matches being played during the WWE highlight packages. More casual fans tune into Wrestlemania and you would think this is the PPV to put the most emphasis on your younger superstars and put them over.


I have no problem with Triple H as champion. I have a problem with him getting the rub in these high profile matches when he doesn't even need it. He's been there, done that.
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I have a problem with him getting the rub in these high profile matches when he doesn't even need it. He's been there, done that.
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Orton has yet to get the rub in big matches. What are people going to watch more, Wrestlemania or Judgement Day? who the hell cares about Judgement Day. Yea, I always see lots of Judgement Day matches being played during the WWE highlight packages. More casual fans tune into Wrestlemania and you would think this is the PPV to put the most emphasis on your younger superstars and put them over.


I have no problem with Triple H as champion. I have a problem with him getting the rub in these high profile matches when he doesn't even need it. He's been there, done that.
Randy Orton beat John Cena and Triple H at...

...drum roll please...

LAST WRESTLEMANIA!!!

(the crowd goes wild)

That's a pretty fucking big rub...

I know you wanted to see Orton win tonight... I did too. Buthim losing tonight doesn't mean his career is over or he'll never be over again or even that he lost all his momentum. Triple H won the match because at the biggest show of the year you want to send the marks home happy. And marks want to see the bad guy lose.

I don't want to be a jerk about this. You're entitled to your opinion. But in my opinion the finish was good.
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The match just left a bitter taste in my mouth. No Wrestlemania main event should leave you thinking, "Was that it? ...huh."
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You people will find any reason to bitch about Triple H.

I will not get into that whole argument right now, but everything but HBK/Taker felt rushed. I don't know if Kid Rock ran long or what, but it seemed like everything was rushed and sloppy. It was a good show, but not what I was expecting from WrestleMania 25.
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Seems like Cena winning the WHC has taken a back seat to the Triple H hate
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That's only because the bigger issue is the fact that there are about 100 Cena clones running around Huston right now.

It's probably on CNN right now. I think they Attitude Adjusted half the city already.
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That's only because the bigger issue is the fact that there are about 100 Cena clones running around Huston right now.
That was every true wrestling fan's worst nightmare

The marks citing that this is just H hate need to stop. How is it that the majority of people here (and a good portion of the live crowd it seems) understand that this was the time to make Orton the star they've wanted him to be. Instead, Vince took the ball and threw it in the garbage.

I side with WWKD here. What can they do tomorrow night on RAW that establishes Orton as a credible threat to HHH? Storyline wise, the feud is over. HHH defended the honor of his family and kicked the shit out of Orton. The feud can't really go anywhere else and Orton can't gain back the months of buildup.
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