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Old 04-27-2009, 01:59 AM   #1
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What fueds MADE them?
What fueds do you think were responsible for MAKING a guy? Like their defining moment. Also, why?

Example:
Edge- Edge vs Matt Hardy. Why: The true birth of 'The Rated R Superstar' gimmick.

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Old 04-27-2009, 02:10 AM   #2
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Steve Austin (Bret Hart) - 3:16 started out with Jake but he really stood out and showed that he can go 'all the way' during his stuff with Bret

Triple H (Mick Foley) - First time we really saw just how good he was. He will never be able to top anything he did from his matches with Foley up until the first quad tear. Carried the company alongside The Rock.

Batista (Triple H) - Textbook 101 how to get a guy over. Nice, slow building feud that eventually reached a boiling point that sent Batista to the moon
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:14 AM   #3
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CSLi Manning took my picks.

I was wondering if Angle/Austin from 2001 qualifies? Before his feud with Austin, Angle was more of a 'transitional champ'. Although he won the title in 2000, I don't think people really saw him as being on the same level as guys like Taker, Austin, Rocky, and HHH.
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:38 AM   #6
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Old 04-27-2009, 06:24 AM   #7
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Gotta disagree with Rock. His feuds with Austin, Shamrock and Triple H put him over before Foley did.
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:54 PM   #8
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Gotta disagree with Rock. His feuds with Austin, Shamrock and Triple H put him over before Foley did.
Rock was absolutely over before, but I feel his fued with Foley got him over as a main eventer.
It started in the early fall for the number one contendership, and carried through up until a few weeks before Wrestlemania.

If you look at Rock as IC champion going into Summerslam that year, and then look at where he was 2 months later while fueding with Foley for a title shot, he had really elevated.
Also, when The Rock first won the title it was a bit awkward. It was awesome, but he still seemed a bit out of place. I feel it was his several month fued with Mankind including the Royal Rumble title match and Halftime Heat that really got him over as a champion, and solidified him as a main eventer.
Before that he was just a very over midcarder.
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:27 AM   #9
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:35 AM   #10
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I can't say for sure because I wasn't watching WWE regularly back then but it seemed to me that Cena got over on his own based on how well he played his character, his look, his promo's etc. One of those guys that just has 'it'. His 'memorable feuds' I would say came after he'd already made it

And also, as Jeritron said, Orton/Foley
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Old 04-27-2009, 06:05 AM   #13
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the most obvious is Eddie making Rey.... if Eddie had not had died, Rey would not have won the Royal Rumble or the WH Championship....
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Old 04-27-2009, 07:51 AM   #15
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:11 AM   #16
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:16 AM   #17
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Old 04-28-2009, 09:19 AM   #18
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I think Brock kind of indirectly made Cena.
I'll completely second this. When Brock Lesnar left the company, the WWE realised they needed a new "young icon," so they rushed things with Cena. But you go back even earlier, and perhaps the most Cena ever stood out was when he cut a freestyle on Lesnar -- "Hey, Brock, that's a nice picture of your mother on your back."

At the time, Lesnar was the beast in the WWE, and Cena's character showed no fear of him. It planted the seeds for Cena to take over when Brock left. There was also the whole concept of Cena creating the FU as an answer to Brock's F-5.
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Old 04-27-2009, 01:10 PM   #22
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You know, as far as Lesnar goes, I would say Heyman made him. Not only being by Brock's side but also booking him.
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Yeah, if it were which managers or which bookers made them, I would have mentioned Heyman.

But feud wise, Lesnar destroying Rock and Hogan was what really solidified him.
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I really don't think any one feud really did it for Lesnar which is why I went the Heyman route. It was all him and his aura, and not many people can claim that.
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I really don't think any one feud really did it for Lesnar which is why I went the Heyman route. It was all him and his aura, and not many people can claim that.
I'd agree with this, also. So many guys were sacrificied at the alter of Lesnar that it is hard to just pick one that summarises who really made the guy. It was just one big machine that kept rolling.
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I dunno. I think his destruction of The Rock and Hogan were what really solidified him. Before that, yeah, he was destroying people, but so what? But when you go and destroy a couple of megastars (and win the title off of one) then that makes people go "Hey, this guy is for real!"
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I dunno. I think his destruction of The Rock and Hogan were what really solidified him. Before that, yeah, he was destroying people, but so what? But when you go and destroy a couple of megastars (and win the title off of one) then that makes people go "Hey, this guy is for real!"
Goldberg got over in a similar fashion. He was huge over because of the streak and was solidified before he got to Hogan (who would be the closest to making him). No one feud made him.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:12 PM   #33
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Goldberg got over in a similar fashion. He was huge over because of the streak and was solidified before he got to Hogan (who would be the closest to making him). No one feud made him.
I beg to differ. They were both over before they beat the big stars, but beating the big stars is what solidifies them as major players.

I know this isn't the best analogy... but take Umaga for example. He came in and was destroying everybody. He was getting over and got his shot at the big times against Cena... and Cena beat him repeatedly. Now what is he?

Imagine if Rock/Hogan hadn't put over Lesnar/Goldberg. If Rock/Hogan went over, then the momentum of both would have pretty much been halted. If they just plain never fought then they both would just eventually become those generic "monsters" in the mid-card.

But by facing them and beating them, both were solidified as here to stay. Of course, neither of them actually stayed.
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I think that Hogan made The Undertaker, truthfully. I mean, it's never a case of it entirely being one guy, but looking back over Taker's career, the definitive moment where the character probably stood out as a "real deal" was when Hogan couldn't phase the big man. Hulk fucking Hogan couldn't overcome his darkness.

Transitional reign or not, that just lended so much credibility to the character that it always carried some weight to it. That's what a lot of characters like The Boogeyman have been lacking since, despite going over some big fucking names in borderline squash matches.
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I feel like Foley really got HHH over twice over. Probably the most key junctions in HHH's singles career came at a time where he fueded with Foley, and both times Foley got him miles to the next level.

First of all, his fued with Foley in 97 is what took him from being the Artist Formerly Known as The Greenwich Snob, and turned him into a legitimate upper-midcard threat.
That was a huge leap for HHH, and his fued with Mankind/Cactus/Dude including the cage match and the MSG match really did it for him.
He rode that success for another couple of years.

Like The Rock, when HHH first won the title he was a bit shaky. He was a new champion, and sometimes new champions need to get their feet wet a little before they settle in. Not everyone is off to the races like Austin and Hogan.
Foley really did a lot for him. First of all, he's the one who jobbed the belt over to him. But he did a lot more than that to get him over. After a short-lived fued with Austin, HHH was kind of floundering. They put DX back together, and fueded him with McMahon to give him some more steam.
It was his fued with Foley, I think, that put him past a short-term experimental champion into a premeir lifelong main eventer.
Their fued and streetfights made HHH seem 10ft taller almost over night. I don't know, when I look at HHH's fall title reign and compare it to how he was going into Wrestlemania2000, I think the improvement is incredible. I think a lot of it is perception that came from how good Foley made him look in promos and matches.
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And then HHH tries to impress his new buddy Flair by joining him in knocking Foley.
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When HHH beat bigshow by himself then I started viewing him as a main eventer
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The same Bigshow that was fresh off a fued with Bossman for the title?

I dunno. I didn't see BigShow as any real threat at the time. When HHH won the title back I wasn't suprised, and his fued with Foley had already been started a few weeks earlier. That's just my view of it though.
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