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Old 05-05-2009, 01:19 AM   #1
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Who is/was the best heel? I'm not talking about "I love that guy, he's great in the heel role." IE: Edge.

I'm talking a heel that you absolutely hate because of the things the character does/did. They could be a really great worker, but you feel (as close as possible to) genuine hate for them.

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Old 05-05-2009, 01:23 AM   #2
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:24 AM   #3
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Growing up, I hated Hollywood Hogan, Justin Credible, and Raven.
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Old 05-05-2009, 02:00 AM   #4
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Raven was the most evil motherfucker on the planet and there were many times as a child that I prayed for his death. Raven/Sandman and Raven/Tommy seriously made me want to find Raven somewhere and kill him. Like I would've cut his fucking head off.
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Old 05-05-2009, 02:08 AM   #5
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I'm actually trying to think of one. Paul Heyman really made him hate him back before I had an appreciate for how awesome he was. And I've got to give it to him, for right or wrong reasons, Triple H really earned my disapproval when he was a heel. Normally it was because he was burying guys and was boring to watch, but when someone beat him, I was so happy.
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Old 05-05-2009, 02:26 AM   #7
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Old 05-05-2009, 02:31 AM   #8
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Old 05-05-2009, 03:02 AM   #9
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I feel an intense dislike for Jack Swagger. I'm not sure why though. It could be that stupid fucking smile.
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:33 AM   #10
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I feel an intense dislike for Jack Swagger. I'm not sure why though. It could be that stupid fucking smile.
Jack Swagger started off that way with me. At first, he was just a guy doing squashes, so while that put him more at the heel side of things, it didn't really pigeon-hold him into the role. Then, however, he moved onto beating definite faces, and then had that feud with Tommy Dreamer.

What I didn't like was how he just seemed like the arrogant jock-type. But during his feud with Tommy Dreamer, he became a really loathable asshole. There was no real reason the guy should be talking about Tommy Dreamer's kids being failures because of who his father is, or how his wife is going to leave him because of such, but Swagger did it, and it turned up the heat on him good.

Now he's eased back into his arrogant jock mold a bit, but interfering in Christian vs. Tommy Dreamer was such an unneccessary heel thing to do, and the crowd gave him shit for it. Awesome.
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Old 05-05-2009, 03:44 AM   #11
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Old 05-05-2009, 03:57 AM   #12
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Old 05-05-2009, 06:36 AM   #13
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Triple H - He made being a bad guy cool. He was such a bastard, for so long, that the crowd started to cheer for him when he would do evil shit. Love it.
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:25 AM   #14
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HHH's first reign as the World Heavyweight Champion made he hate him a lot.

I even started to hate Brock when beat the holy hell out of Zack Gowen in front of his mother
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:35 AM   #15
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Dolph Ziggler is someone that I am starting to see as a really good heel, albeit on a much lower level than some of the guys mentioned. In his match with MVP, he just seemed like a sleazeball that could get away with him. When MVP just casually back elbowed him while he was checking on Sherri Shepherd also made him seem a bit outclassed to a degree, whilst the rest of the match put him back into it.

Ziggler just seems like a heel who can get his ass kicked, which makes it justifiable to call him a waste or whatever (in a kayfabe sense), but then he can also win matches, which just makes you want to see him get his ass kicked more. If that makes sense?
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:22 PM   #16
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Eddie Guerrero was always a great "love to hate" heel.
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:56 PM   #17
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That would go to Raven he was just such a devious asshole and the way he went about it was awesome he wasnt greedy or evil in the classical sense of a heel. I always think of him as a mix of kevin sullivan and Triple H. But I think Paul Heymen summed him up best as the "David Koresh of wrestling"
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:58 PM   #18
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Those terrorist Arab guys from 2005. I don't even remember their names. Daviri or however it's spelled, and the other guy. I don't recall his name, don't care to recall his name. I seriously hated those guys so much. Anytime I heard their theme music, and I'd hear that weird Arab man yelling over the P.A., I'd sigh, curse, and wanna change the channel. I wanted to hurt those guys. I mean, I was 22 and those fellas actually turned me into a mark. I realize it was all a show, and they were playing characters....but I didn't care! I truly hated them! And I didn't want to see or listen to them! They pissed me off so much. And when Hulk Hogan came out to Real American to kick some terrorist ass, I wanted to cry tears of join. I know some smarks bitched about Hogan and HBK not jobbing to them, but screw that! People were waiting months to see those terrorists get their asses kicked!

I was glad when WWE booted them out. I thought the whole gimmick was in very poor taste. It was way too real. And cashing in 9/11 was pretty low.
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Old 05-05-2009, 03:54 PM   #20
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The Hassan gimmick was awesome. And for the most part, all he did was tel the truth and people booed him for it.

Futhermore, it AYYYYLEEEEAHHHHAYLEEEEEEEAHAYYYYYYYYLEEEEEEEEAAAA!!

Dammit, Hassan!
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Old 05-05-2009, 03:59 PM   #21
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The thing is, I really like great heels. Always have. I'm drawn to the bad/dark side.

Piper was the biggest heel there was, causing riots and enraging enough people to the point he was stabbed by some of those very people..but in the end the guy was so charismatic and hilarious that it didnt take long for him to then become perhaps one of the most loved guys there was.

Piper was the very first wrestler I ever became a big time fan of, and remains to this day one of my faves. Top 3.

But yeah, the guy was a massive heel and really didnt need any sort of gimmick or anything to incite hatred out of people.
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Old 05-05-2009, 10:03 PM   #22
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The Hassan gimmick was awesome. And for the most part, all he did was tel the truth and people booed him for it.

Futhermore, it AYYYYLEEEEAHHHHAYLEEEEEEEAHAYYYYYYYYLEEEEEEEEAAAA!!

Dammit, Hassan!
That is why I cannot for the life of my list Muhammad Hassan or Chris Jericho here. Both characters were too awesome to really boo, and in the case of Hassan and Jericho's most recent persona, they are right.

How can you hate a guy who is right? An idiot hates a guy who is right. All Hassan said was that he was born in America, that he loves this country, and he was hurt by 9/11 too, but you still call him a terrorist based only on his race. *USA chants*

That character was way too advanced for WWE audiences. Especially because the commentators had no clue how to handle it. They treated him like he was a foreign heel, which wasn't the case.
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Old 05-06-2009, 10:10 PM   #23
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That character was way too advanced for WWE audiences. Especially because the commentators had no clue how to handle it. They treated him like he was a foreign heel, which wasn't the case.
...yeah, because anyone who slanders an entire group because of something some people do, nah, that's not a heel move at all.
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Old 05-07-2009, 05:30 PM   #24
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...yeah, because anyone who slanders an entire group because of something some people do, nah, that's not a heel move at all.
I don't get your post at all. How does that make them a foreigner with a heel gimmick? Don't you actually have to be a foreigner for that?
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Old 05-05-2009, 06:02 PM   #25
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Back when Triple H initially turned on DX for the Corporation. I was a mark and hated him so much for turning on DX.

I think if I was a kid or a total mark now, I'd hate Jericho. But at this stage, he's my favourite guy to watch on any of the shows.
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Old 05-06-2009, 03:24 PM   #26
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I think if I was a kid or a total mark now, I'd hate Jericho. But at this stage, he's my favourite guy to watch on any of the shows.
My feelings exactly.

Probably the last guy I legitimately disliked as a heel was Austin after Wrestlemania XVI. The manner in which he won the title, his alliance with Vince, and his cowardly, paranoid demeanor portrayed him as the personification of a hypocrite.

Of course, I came to love and appreciate him in that role, just like everyone else. The guy was just too much fun to watch.

The 'What!?' catchphrase probably didn't help, either.

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That is why I cannot for the life of my list Muhammad Hassan or Chris Jericho here. Both characters were too awesome to really boo, and in the case of Hassan and Jericho's most recent persona, they are right.

How can you hate a guy who is right? An idiot hates a guy who is right.
I would agree with you if it weren't for the segment with Vince/ Stephanie. It basically turned him into what he had been against in the first place. Who is he to call anyone a hypocrite or sycophant at this point? He's the definition of the words.
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Old 05-05-2009, 06:05 PM   #27
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Old 05-05-2009, 06:05 PM   #28
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FFS, DiBiase's was given loads of cash from the WWF Offices and he was deliberately booked on first-class flights. He was booked into 5-star hotels and given loads of money to throw around in public (i.e. pick up tabs and over tip, buy drinks for entire bars, actually pay for small items with a $100 bill, etc.) in order to make the character seem more real!

His laugh, his mic skills, his general look, the million dollar belt. Damn, I don't even remember being a face ffs.
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Old 05-05-2009, 06:07 PM   #29
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Yeah, read about that in his book. Which btw was an awesome read. One of the better ones I've read.

But yeah, Dibiase is definately up there with the best heels.
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Old 05-05-2009, 06:09 PM   #30
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I don't think DiBiase was a face during the Million Dollar Man days, from singles wrestler, to Money Inc., to commentary and management. He always had the heel thing going. But tbh, I just don't think the character would have allowed for a beleivable face run.
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Old 05-05-2009, 10:06 PM   #31
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I never watched during his run, but I fucking love the Million Dollar Man. I'm sorry, but if I had started watching wrestling when he was around, I'd so be hoping he beat Hulk Hogan. I'd be disappointed every time, but come on -- the guy can wrestle, he's got a nice guy look about him, he's got an awesome laugh, and he's got money that he throws around! What's not to love about that man?
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Old 05-06-2009, 03:57 PM   #32
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Seriously, JBL.

I think the last time I actually wanted to see a heel champ get his comeuppance was with JBL. All the other heel champs that have come afterwards have been "yeah! cool!"
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Old 05-06-2009, 04:27 PM   #33
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:02 PM   #34
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Someone on my rep said I didn't get the character, Muhammad Hassan. I did then, I do now.....and I don't care. I didn't like that gimmick. Maybe if some of you guys lost loved ones on 9/11 and/or if you are American, and love the country as much as I do could understand why people like me didn't like that character. He got people's blood boiling way too much, and it was a little too real for some of us. ("It's Still Real To Me Dammit" in regards of 9/11 is damn right) and Hassan probably would have gotten hurt by one of the fans if he kept it up.....Having them, and these ski-mask wearing dudes going out and beating up on The Undertaker or whoever it was on Smackdown, was too much. They needed to drop the angle, and I'm glad they did. Cause like or or not, WWE WAS cashing in on 9/11, and that ain't cool. Real life is not a game or an angle. Actual lives have been/are being lost over that nonsense, and feelings were being beyond hurt when Muhammad Hassan did his thing, and you don't play "pretend" with stuff like that. That's a no no.

I don't expect some of the more immature posters to get that. So go ahead and neg me if you must for this rant and for not liking that character some of you liked a little too much. Seriously, most people who marked for that guy are either non-American, or just Americans who hate their own country, or you're just immature little kids who are still in "kid world" where everything is all a game. And you see violence in real life the same way you see violence on TV, or in movies, or are your video games.

....Personally, I think Muhammad Hassan's last apperance should have been like the final scene from Death Proof....with the roles of hero belonging to Hulk Hogan, Sgt. Slaughter, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, a cameo by bad-ass American Undertaker, Kurt Angle, and hell....throw the The Patriot Del Wilks and American Express Lex Luger in there too!

Now THAT would be probably one of the greatest mark-out moments for me....ever.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:17 PM   #35
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Someone on my rep said I didn't get the character, Muhammad Hassan. I did then, I do now.....and I don't care. I didn't like that gimmick. Maybe if some of you guys lost loved ones on 9/11 and/or if you are American, and love the country as much as I do could understand why people like me didn't like that character. He got people's blood boiling way too much, and it was a little too real for some of us. ("It's Still Real To Me Dammit" in regards of 9/11 is damn right) and Hassan probably would have gotten hurt by one of the fans if he kept it up.....Having them, and these ski-mask wearing dudes going out and beating up on The Undertaker or whoever it was on Smackdown, was too much. They needed to drop the angle, and I'm glad they did. Cause like or or not, WWE WAS cashing in on 9/11, and that ain't cool. Real life is not a game or an angle. Actual lives have been/are being lost over that nonsense, and feelings were being beyond hurt when Muhammad Hassan did his thing, and you don't play "pretend" with stuff like that. That's a no no.

I don't expect some of the more immature posters to get that. So go ahead and neg me if you must for this rant and for not liking that character some of you liked a little too much. Seriously, most people who marked for that guy are either non-American, or just Americans who hate their own country, or you're just immature little kids who are still in "kid world" where everything is all a game. And you see violence in real life the same way you see violence on TV, or in movies, or are your video games.

....Personally, I think Muhammad Hassan's last apperance should have been like the final scene from Death Proof....with the roles of hero belonging to Hulk Hogan, Sgt. Slaughter, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, a cameo by bad-ass American Undertaker, Kurt Angle, and hell....throw the The Patriot Del Wilks and American Express Lex Luger in there too!

Now THAT would be probably one of the greatest mark-out moments for me....ever.

Dude, your argument is so lame. You have to understand [Muhammad]Hassan and [Khosrow] Daivari are/were not even real Muslims. Hassan is originally from Italy, and the only (RETARDED) reason that he was taken off TV is because a bunch of people in the arab and/or muslim community of Dearborn (near Detroit) decided to bitch to UPN. Wah, wah fuckin' wah! Life isn't always fair.

Now, let's examine their argument that Hassan and Daivari portrayed a negative stereotype of Muslims, as every one of them being extremists who hate all Americans and only want to blow them all up or maim them in some other way. Nothing could be further from the truth. They portrayed only the extremist type Muslims who would be, or do serve someone like Bin Laden or Al'Qaeda or whatever, but even then none of it was real.

See, the problem is not with the character, it's that you percieved him as how I described him in the last paragraph. If you couldn't realize that it was only a gimmick, then instead of getting all pissed off, why didn't you turn the TV off or find something else to watch during such time as he was on camera. It's a simple solution that you couldn't find because you chose ignorance over seeing the big picture.
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Dude, your argument is so lame. You have to understand [Muhammad]Hassan and [Khosrow] Daivari are/were not even real Muslims. Hassan is originally from Italy, and the only (RETARDED) reason that he was taken off TV is because a bunch of people in the arab and/or muslim community of Dearborn (near Detroit) decided to bitch to UPN. Wah, wah fuckin' wah! Life isn't always fair.

Now, let's examine their argument that Hassan and Daivari portrayed a negative stereotype of Muslims, as every one of them being extremists who hate all Americans and only want to blow them all up or maim them in some other way. Nothing could be further from the truth. They portrayed only the extremist type Muslims who would be, or do serve someone like Bin Laden or Al'Qaeda or whatever, but even then none of it was real.

See, the problem is not with the character, it's that you percieved him as how I described him in the last paragraph. If you couldn't realize that it was only a gimmick, then instead of getting all pissed off, why didn't you turn the TV off or find something else to watch during such time as he was on camera. It's a simple solution that you couldn't find because you chose ignorance over seeing the big picture.

Like I said, lives were lost, and I don't think they should have cashed in on something like that. I got that the characters were these angry guys who were tired of some Arab-Americans being treated badly, but the 9/11 theme was still in the air, and that was not cool. It would have been like a bunch of goth guys going out after the 99' school shooting and saying they were tired of people assuming all goths were gonna blow up schools or something.

I just don't think topics like that are things you play around with.
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Old 05-16-2009, 12:29 AM   #38
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Seriously, people tired to FUCKING STAB HIM!!!

And replace "tried" with "made it a point to, and succeed"
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:37 PM   #40
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