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Old 08-11-2009, 02:13 PM   #1
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Just read Jim's blog and came to know that Brock wants way more money than the WWE is offering him at the moment. He was amazing. I want him to come back and destroy John Cena.
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WWE is offering Brock money right now?
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Old 08-11-2009, 02:18 PM   #4
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On The Rumored Brock Offer: Yes, the story that I blogged recently about the WWE NOT offering Brock Lesnar something like $40M for a seven year deal is accurate. Those numbers are not even close. Lesnar was likely offered a $1M guarantee with the opportunity to earn much more. There’s a legit chance that Lesnar could have earned close to that much over a 7 year period as he made it north of the $1M mark faster than any one, I think, in WWE history. I think it would be cool to see WWE do a Lesnar DVD and pick up some of his comments from his WWE days and get comments from Lesnar’s WWE peers about their thoughts on Brock then and Brock now. That’s just a suggestion by the way so before the bus runs over me remember the key word here is “suggestion.”
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Not a chance in hell of Brock being back in WWE as a regular performer at any point over the next couple of years
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:28 PM   #6
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he's kicking way too much ass in UFC to give that up to job to John Cena....
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he's kicking way too much ass in UFC to give that up to job to John Cena....

Yeah but at the right price........
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Yeah but at the right price........
I don't think you've thought this through very well.
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WWE don't have 'the right price' to offer Brock. He makes as much/potentially more for fighting 2-3 times a year and being at home with his family every night in a mainstream organisation respected around the world and they're currently in a boom period. He ain't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Knowing Vince, if Brock was back in WWE he'd end up jobbing to Hornswoggle.
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Was just thinking earlier about how awesome Brock was on his arrival, big mark for him.
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Old 08-11-2009, 07:19 PM   #14
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lol yeah I'm sure Brock would want to go back to pro wrestling
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I'd love to see him back, but it's not going to happen. At least, not anytime soon. He's in a great spot now so what reason would he have to leave it?
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Brock loves competition as much as money. At the timeBrock entered pro wrestling UFC had the competition, but not the cash and WWE had the cash and not the competition.

Now, UFC has both and WE has neither. Brock makes a million per fight plus ppv bonuses and he has his own training camp and merchandising. WWE has nothing to offer him at this point.
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LOL at the thought that Brock would even CONSIDER to go back to the WWE with the position he is in right now.
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Yeah, I can't see Brock going back to the WWE. Unless the WWE cut him in on ownership of the company, or something. That's not going to happen, so Brock is not going to happen.
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When does Brock's UFC contract end? How many fights was it worth?

No matter what Brock does, the next contract he signs is going to be fucking massive
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It'll be a standard 6 fight deal. He has had 4 fights. I am sure UFC will be looking to try and get him to extend it by 3 fights, like they have done with fighters in the past, but the growth is developing so fast now, that in 3 fights time, the average purse will have increased. So I don't see Brock doing that. Especially as his PPV's outdraw everrybodies by a bit.

I also don't reckon his PPV buy cut is very big, if existant right now. Obviously that is something he would be looking to improve on.
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It'll be a standard 6 fight deal. He has had 4 fights. I am sure UFC will be looking to try and get him to extend it by 3 fights, like they have done with fighters in the past, but the growth is developing so fast now, that in 3 fights time, the average purse will have increased. So I don't see Brock doing that. Especially as his PPV's outdraw everrybodies by a bit.

I also don't reckon his PPV buy cut is very big, if existant right now. Obviously that is something he would be looking to improve on.
as long as hes still champion his contract automatically extends every fight till he loses it
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I'm not up to date on my UFC, but how much would Dana White be willing to cut Lesnar in? He is the champion there, but Lesnar's got a bit of an ego (although that might be show). What would happen if Lesnar wanted way more money than White was willing to give?
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I'm not up to date on my UFC, but how much would Dana White be willing to cut Lesnar in? He is the champion there, but Lesnar's got a bit of an ego (although that might be show). What would happen if Lesnar wanted way more money than White was willing to give?
Someone else would pay for it, I'm of the opinion that Brock can pretty much get whatever the fuck he wants now. He's clearly the biggest MMA star in the world right now
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I'm not going to pretend that I'm knowledgeable about MMA, but about when do you give his career as a fighter its expirary date? I mean, that is almost impossible to ask, but Lesnar has turned 32. He's a freak of nature, but when do most fighters hit and come out of their peaks?

I'm not even playing devil's advocate here, just throwing out something for discussion. Will Lesnar still be marketable if he retired from MMA with a spotty record and past his "young star" phase? Lesnar can go wherever he wants right now, but when does that time pass, and Lesnar become a bit more of a "Haha, that guy's got to be kidding" figure?

Lesnar hates the WWE schedule, that has been well established, but if he steps out of MMA at the right time, he could probably negotiate things so that he can appear on a reduced schedule of sorts. The dude probably wouldn't have to work house shows, for example. That door may not be open to him later. One thing about professional wrestling, as opposed to MMA, is that pro-wrestling could take care of Lesnar for life. If he has a relevant enough legacy, he will be able to do a Hogan, or a Nash, or a Sting, and keep making appearances until the day he physically can't go anymore. I'm not a fan of her, or anything, but the WWE would also find a place for Sable Lesnar, too. That's two big paychecks going into their purse.

Lesnar is at the top of his game right now, no doubt about it, and there are still many fights that the industry and Lesnar himself can make money off. I'm not arguing against that, but do you think Lesnar would be better off stepping out of the UFC before he gets knocked down too many pegs? If just for longetivity purposes?
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I'm not going to pretend that I'm knowledgeable about MMA, but about when do you give his career as a fighter its expirary date? I mean, that is almost impossible to ask, but Lesnar has turned 32. He's a freak of nature, but when do most fighters hit and come out of their peaks?

I'm not even playing devil's advocate here, just throwing out something for discussion. Will Lesnar still be marketable if he retired from MMA with a spotty record and past his "young star" phase? Lesnar can go wherever he wants right now, but when does that time pass, and Lesnar become a bit more of a "Haha, that guy's got to be kidding" figure?

Lesnar hates the WWE schedule, that has been well established, but if he steps out of MMA at the right time, he could probably negotiate things so that he can appear on a reduced schedule of sorts. The dude probably wouldn't have to work house shows, for example. That door may not be open to him later. One thing about professional wrestling, as opposed to MMA, is that pro-wrestling could take care of Lesnar for life. If he has a relevant enough legacy, he will be able to do a Hogan, or a Nash, or a Sting, and keep making appearances until the day he physically can't go anymore. I'm not a fan of her, or anything, but the WWE would also find a place for Sable Lesnar, too. That's two big paychecks going into their purse.

Lesnar is at the top of his game right now, no doubt about it, and there are still many fights that the industry and Lesnar himself can make money off. I'm not arguing against that, but do you think Lesnar would be better off stepping out of the UFC before he gets knocked down too many pegs? If just for longetivity purposes?



He's gonna be making millions a fight, he's going to make a ton on royalties and sponsors, he will be taken care of for life, believe me. That's not to say at the end of it all he won't come back, but don't kid yourself, MMA is going to take good care of Brock Lesnar.

The reason I think he can go a long time is because he's so fucking big and so fucking fast, and he is stronger than everyone. I don't see him losing very much.
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He's gonna be making millions a fight, he's going to make a ton on royalties and sponsors, he will be taken care of for life, believe me. That's not to say at the end of it all he won't come back, but don't kid yourself, MMA is going to take good care of Brock Lesnar.

The reason I think he can go a long time is because he's so fucking big and so fucking fast, and he is stronger than everyone. I don't see him losing very much.
Oh, I have no doubt that Lesnar will have a long time on top.
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I'm not going to pretend that I'm knowledgeable about MMA, but about when do you give his career as a fighter its expirary date? I mean, that is almost impossible to ask, but Lesnar has turned 32. He's a freak of nature, but when do most fighters hit and come out of their peaks?

I'm not even playing devil's advocate here, just throwing out something for discussion. Will Lesnar still be marketable if he retired from MMA with a spotty record and past his "young star" phase? Lesnar can go wherever he wants right now, but when does that time pass, and Lesnar become a bit more of a "Haha, that guy's got to be kidding" figure?

Lesnar hates the WWE schedule, that has been well established, but if he steps out of MMA at the right time, he could probably negotiate things so that he can appear on a reduced schedule of sorts. The dude probably wouldn't have to work house shows, for example. That door may not be open to him later. One thing about professional wrestling, as opposed to MMA, is that pro-wrestling could take care of Lesnar for life. If he has a relevant enough legacy, he will be able to do a Hogan, or a Nash, or a Sting, and keep making appearances until the day he physically can't go anymore. I'm not a fan of her, or anything, but the WWE would also find a place for Sable Lesnar, too. That's two big paychecks going into their purse.

Lesnar is at the top of his game right now, no doubt about it, and there are still many fights that the industry and Lesnar himself can make money off. I'm not arguing against that, but do you think Lesnar would be better off stepping out of the UFC before he gets knocked down too many pegs? If just for longetivity purposes?
Dude, he is never coming back. Never.

Right now there are all of 4 people in the entire world who have a chance of beating him. And even then, it's a chance, not definite.

- Anderson Silva. Lesnar outweighs him literally by 100 pounds, so they're never going to fight, but if they did Silva is so phenomenally skilled that he really could KO Brock standing up. If Lesnar took it to the ground, it's the opposite, just by size difference alone.

- Lyoto Machida. Fights at 205, but could make heavyweight if he stopped weight cutting. Extremely elusive, lightning fast strikes and takedowns and has some good KO power, but if Lesnar gets him on the ground, he is also dead. Silva and Machida would have to pray Lesnar slips up and they can lock a quick limb submission on him if it goes to the ground.

- Shane Carwin. It's scary how similar he is to Lesnar. Almost identical collegiate wrestling credentials. Both are 6'3, Lesnar fights at 265 lbs (walks around at 285 or so) Carwin weighs 260 lbs. Both are ridiculously strong, but Carwin is a stand up beast. He could probably KO Lesnar easily if Brock doesn't take it to the ground quickly (seeing a pattern here?). On the ground, I'd say it's a toss up between the 2.

- Fedor Emelianenko. The best fighter in the world today. Sambo fighter and boxer, although his boxing form is like Roy Jones Jr (so bad it's good because of good timing). This is the dream match in the MMA world right now. Unlikely that it will ever happen thanks to Fedor's shady management, but if it did, it's probably a 50/50 bet on who'd win.

So, all this leads to this: Brock is not going anywhere from the top of the MMA world for several years to come. After his current contract is up, the UFC is gonna shell out big time (they are already paying him $1 million+ per fight) when it's time to negotioate the new contract. His star power is already way beyond everyone in wrestling short of Hogan and Rock. I can't even describe how much WWE would have to bend over and take it up the ass to get Lesnar back right now.
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If you think about it he could be another Randy Couture since he's started his mma career so much later, and the thing is, the way he fights he's not going to take much damage, and he's generally unaffected by it, and he has unbelievable conditioning for a man his size. Trains like 8 hours a day apparently. If he really wanted to he could go well into his fourties... I don't know if MMA has ever seen a Brock Lesnar. Not to say he's not gonna lose ever, but the amount of guys he's gonna beat is going to be something.
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That might actually do more credibility for wrestling than him returning to it.
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Yeah if he came back he'd have to job to hornswoggle or something, I'm pretty sure he'd rather just beat people up.
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I don't think they'd job Lesnar to Hornswoggle. I think Vince would one day try and get revenge on Lesnar, but I think he'd just be happy to get a cash cow back.
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Which is why Lesnar would not go back. Why leave somewhere, where you're a legit badass who destroys the baddest dudes in the world, and only have to fight 2-3 times a year for something where the owner of the company has a hardon to get revenge on you and sully your reputation? Lesnar does not need Vince, Vince needs Lesnar.
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Brock is trying to get De La Hoya,Mayweather type money. Not no little Hulk Hogan money(that is damn near gone). Pro Wrestling is a circus and the wrestlers don't make as much as they should. MMA Brock is bigger than Steve Austin and The Rock in their primes.
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If I were Lesnar, I would consider doing a guest host spot on RAW, though.
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I just wish Brock would come out to a fight with his WWE music and Paul Heyman leading him to the Octagon, then Paul sits down with Joe Rogan and touts about Brock as the next big thing.
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Thanks for answering, Funky. You could have just said "he won't be going anywhere for a few years, because there are only four guys who could beat him, though."

That Shane Carwin sounds like a beast.
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I'm glad you got the irony. I actually didn't like the forceful tone he used with me, after I did state that I have no clue what goes on in the world of MMA. I was genuinely asking, and it sounded like I was getting attacked -- which is a shame, because Funky is one of my favourites. Perhaps that is merely his Conan love, though.
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