I heard Dahmer quit eating people before he got caught. Fuck @KennyOmegamanX . If he wants to be respected as a wrestler, too fuckin late. https://t.co/0Wo5LYXEQT
Makes my day a little brighter when I can remind an asshole who wrestled a blowup doll in front of fans that he sucks. Also fuck him. Thanks https://t.co/QRdrPbUbvl
Steve Austin never blatantly shit on the sport. He was given a poor gimmick but persevered. Omega delights in being a phony videogame fuck. https://t.co/upE48ymPI4
Because I want this dipshit to know exactly what I say about him so there's no misunderstanding. He should not be allowed in our business. https://t.co/eZXOSxX9f2
Everyone also has a mouth to say no & feet to walk out with. Omega's not even sorry he did this shit, thinks he's in a videogame. Should be. https://t.co/N8wo1rTN4u
Oh that explains everything! You fucking lunatic, it was a show, there were fans there. You can't weasel dickweed out of this one. https://t.co/H677A4pqFC
Thanks for your opinion on what you know nothing about. Wrestling passed me by on it's way to rock bottom. I stayed at top. Also fuck you. https://t.co/QlUi1zQwU4
Apparently you'll be waiting awhile, he can't make a little girl cry. Of all things I'm scared of, a wanna-be flippy wrestler is not one. https://t.co/vU5m1I5HOd
This man just set Sapporo's gate record. Some call this amazing talent, some call it killing the business. One does not compute. https://t.co/R0HvHGWfCw
I don't really care if Adolf Hitler was an amazingly talented painter, he should get no compliments. These fucks Omega, Ibushi, same thing. https://t.co/5wlzeNAnbi
More of your idiot fans needed slapped down. You polluted my eyeballs w/your blowup doll match. BTW how's the lil' girl you couldn't beat? https://t.co/fNHj4jLEmx
Originally Posted by Vastardikai:
Omega will do one small thing just about every match I see him in that keeps it from being a classic, to me anyway.
It usually involves him looking back at the table before a big table spot.
Why wouldn't you look back at the table? You want to put your opponent through it for extra damage so of course you'd make sure they're going through it. It's not supposed to be an accident.
Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead:
Honestly, Cornette is just drumming up more attention for Omega. I don't know if it's a work, but would you be surprised if it is one?
I just don't care enough about Cornette to find out either way.
The business is dieing. Shit like the blow up doll and the little girl are a part of it.
HOWEVER you cant turn back the clock. So if the market that remains is fine with 4th wall breaking slapstick then so be it. There isnt much money left to be made imo so make what you can before this thing goes belly up.
What makes Cornette look like more of a dick is that Omega seems like the nicest guy ever. I've heard him respond to Cornette's hate of him a couple times and it's always him just saying he likes him and doesn't have any ill will toward him. lol
The little kid and the blowup doll things were stupid as shit. Omega says the little girl thing was meant as nothing more than entertainment for a crowd of wrestlers and their families though. If that's the case, he deserves a pass for that at least.
Originally Posted by #BROKEN Hasney:
Why wouldn't you look back at the table? You want to put your opponent through it for extra damage so of course you'd make sure they're going through it. It's not supposed to be an accident.
The time it really took me out of the match was either Gotoh or Ishii, he was attempting a springboard attack into the ring. He looks back at the table to make sure 's in the right place then does the springboard, gets blasted and falls through the table.
It cut his back, but didn't really factor into the finish, as Omega went over. I was like "that was fake as shit."
I actually give Omega a pass on the blowup dolls and wrestling little girls thing in DDT, because he has progressed beyond that. But I would be wary of giving a main event push unless he changed his name.
Ibushi is worse than Omega, IMO. While Omega stopped doing stupid shit, for the most part, Ibushi is STILL DOING STUPID SHIT.
And I argue that Cornette is the most powerful man in the business. It seems every rant he goes on is newsworthy. I don't always agree with him, but if I ran a promotion, I would have him be a short term consultant, at least to learn the ropes of running a company. Raven would be my lead booker.
Cornette is super over. He's doing the bit he did in 1997 on RAW that people popped for, but now is the landscape. He works angles on that show all the time. Sometimes he is retarded (such as his dedicated hatred for Omega) but fuck is he deep down likeable lol
Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan:
What makes Cornette look like more of a dick is that Omega seems like the nicest guy ever. I've heard him respond to Cornette's hate of him a couple times and it's always him just saying he likes him and doesn't have any ill will toward him. lol
The little kid and the blowup doll things were stupid as shit. Omega says the little girl thing was meant as nothing more than entertainment for a crowd of wrestlers and their families though. If that's the case, he deserves a pass for that at least.
But what if the little girl got hurt. It's a stupid risk.
Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon:
But what if the little girl got hurt. It's a stupid risk.
The little girl had actually wrestled for Stardom loads of times before this against adult women and never got hurt because they put her with trusted workers and practiced all the spots. The Omega match was her send off from the promotion that they booked as a "thank you" because her family wanted to focus on her education. It was an exhibition for family and friends, not an arena full of marks. It wasn't just some random 9 year old that Kenny Omega brought in and told the booker they were having a match because he wants to kill wrestling.
Cornette is working his gimmick. I love his podcasts and interviews, but if you think he doesn't play up his ang batshit crazy old timer gimmick to make money you are nuts. He's made a living the past 10 years doing podcasts and shoot interviews.
I do absolutely believe that he truly hates that kind of wrestling and knows that his core audience is the ones who watch this shit, so he goes on these rants to elicit a reaction and drum up listens to the podcasts or buys for his 100th shoot video. All of this shit is a shoot turned into a worked shoot. Eventually, a 1,000 + smarks will cram into some convention hall to see a Russo vs Cornette round table and will pay to see it thinking it may actually end in blows.
Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon:
He should move on from Kenny though. There are others who have done more embarrassing things. Joey Ryan's dickspot for one.
You just don't get enough attention going after Joey Ryan though.
No and seems like Cornette either hasn't watched some of Omega's more recent stuff or just hates comedy style wrestling and anything not classic territory style.
Also don't think this is part of some plan by Cornette to make more people to watch Omega and him just really hating the sudden popularity of Omega.
Originally Posted by Maluco:
If it is not a work, he doesn't need to be so aggressive all the time, but stuff like this definitely contributes to how bad wrestling has gotten.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that fans want to believe. The whole suspension of belief thing seems to be a thing of the past
Maybe it isn't Omega and Ibushi that's ruined wrestling. Maybe it's Youtube.
Think about it. Before Youtube, you could do something incredibly stupid that exposes the business and the repercussions would likely be, you get fired from that promotion. However, you could change your look, change your gimmick, change your name, and a few months down the road, go right back to that promotion and folks wouldn't remember. Or, just go to a different territory in a different part of the country/world where people didn't see the stupid thing you did and you could rebuild yourself as a solid hand like that.
Now? You do one fucked up thing, and that's your legacy forever and ever. You have awesome matches night after night? Yeah, but here's a video of you super kicking an 8 year old and the kid not selling it from 5 years ago. One of the top draws in the world? Yeah, but here's you losing a match to an umbrella.
Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon:
He should move on from Kenny though. There are others who have done more embarrassing things. Joey Ryan's dickspot for one.
Don't worry. He went after Joey Ryan before and he basically disowned Cody Rhodes for taking the Dickplex.
considering there's custom fetish videos of Finn Balor wrasslin Becky Lynch I don't think anyone has anything to really worry about with youtube ruining them.
Society has shaped the current product more than anything else. We live in a fast paced world of instant gratification. The in ring product reflects that.
As far as Omega and Ibushi killing the mystique of wrestling, well you can't kill something thats already dead. It was shot in the leg during the vince steroid trial, and the rise of thevinternet finished it off for good. Instead of bitching about it and stubbornly refusing to move on, some guys have adapted to the new audience, and discovered a new way to entertain an audience. That's all comedy wrestling is to me.
I can watch a classic 70's wrestling match, a high impact NJPW main event, and DDT comedy match, and aporeciate all of them for what they are, seperately.
Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis:
The little girl had actually wrestled for Stardom loads of times before this against adult women and never got hurt because they put her with trusted workers and practiced all the spots. The Omega match was her send off from the promotion that they booked as a "thank you" because her family wanted to focus on her education. It was an exhibition for family and friends, not an arena full of marks. It wasn't just some random 9 year old that Kenny Omega brought in and told the booker they were having a match because he wants to kill wrestling.
STD's Irish ancestors died for that 9 year old Japanese girl.
Originally Posted by Destor:
Exactly why the industry has a shelf life
That could very well be the case, but I still think there are enough fans who would willingly be invested and suspend their disbelief given the right circumstances. I think wrestling fans in general want to buy in. I knew from an early age that it wasn't real, but because it was presented as such, it allowed me to "buy in"
The average fan just wants to be sold something that doesn't insult their intelligence. Put some passion back into storylines, treat it like it's real and photos online of guys hanging out at airports together won't take me out of it.
Stuff like this does though and stuff like this does make me wonder why I watch if it's just some choreographed acrobatics...and guys like Omega and Ryan scream that in our faces. It isn't fun, it makes a mockery of the whole set up
I think Cornette is right, but Roman diving into the ambulance the other week was just as bad. There is no heat in any feuds because they are winking at us. Stop winking and and give me two guys that hate each other and a reason to care, and I am all in again.