One Mans Reaction to racial slur on Survivor Series

[Funky Fly]

Originally Posted by Pete Yes I am aware of it being a remake, I would argue that is less relevant today though acceptably exoressed attitudes towards minorities by whites was very different then (note ACCEPTABLY, I'm not saying racism doesn't exist just that to exporess it publicly is far less acceptable) whereas minority to white racism is still funny, its still making a joke out of racism whihc doesn;t really strike me as progress

We should be able to laugh at each other with no harm and no foul on either side, but the problem with white to not white race jokes is that there are so many historically racist undertones perceived, even when the joker doesn't intend for them to be there. You're basically walking on eggshells if you tell jokes like that and you're white. And the funny thing is, a white person can tell a black joke to a black person he knows very well and not worry about repercussion because the black person understands that despite the joke being deprecating to him, he knows the white person is not a racist and therefore does not actually believe the content of the joke to be acceptable in a non-joking situation. But if that same white person tells that same joke to a black person he's only just met, the black may be offended because he doesn't know if that white person truly believes in the content of the joke.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Funky Fly Yes, rival tribes sold each other off to be slaves, but the colonial folk were playing a game called divide and conquer. Those tribes were all suckered in the end and after colonizaion ended, to this day you still have regions in Africa where tribes still hate each over it (ie. Rwanda). Yes and no. I am proud to be African, and I am proud to be black (they're not one in the same). That said, there are several things I am not so proud of, concerning blacks and Africans. I'll go into detail someone wants, but I'm about to sleep, so it'll have to be tomorrow. Couldn't put it better about the world of grey

Re: the involvement of africans in the slave trade, saying that the africans fell for the european game of divide and conquer plays into the idea that africans were less sophisticated than the the europeans, which is an idea propogated thorugh the so called master narrative of white written history and brushes over the full extent of African cooperation and knowledge of what was going on, this is further emphasised by your use of the word 'tribe' whihc implies primitiveness rather than calling them kingdoms. Although there is a case to be made for Africans having a different understanding of what slavery meant to the Europeans (i.e to Africans slavery was a means of inclusion rather than lifelong back breaking labour based on skin colour) to think that the african slavers didn't catch on to what the Europeans intentions were is rather far fetched.

In addition in the early part of the slave trade European technology was not that much more advanced than African tech to be able to militarily compel cooperation and I believe, altohugh I need to check this, that europeans wepaons technology (i.e guns) was not sufficently advanced to provide a military advantage to the african kingdoms they dealt with over their rivals( I know this is true of jungle areas as the guns of the period were useless in a confined space however I'm not 100% certain of the kingdoms involved in slavery and their locations offhand), if this was the case then it moves the african motive for involvement from gaining advantage over their rivals to greed.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Funky Fly We should be able to laugh at each other with no harm and no foul on either side, but the problem with white to not white race jokes is that there are so many historically racist undertones perceived, even when the joker doesn't intend for them to be there. You're basically walking on eggshells if you tell jokes like that and you're white. And the funny thing is, a white person can tell a black joke to a black person he knows very well and not worry about repercussion because the black person understands that despite the joke being deprecating to him, he knows the white person is not a racist and therefore does not actually believe the content of the joke to be acceptable in a non-joking situation. But if that same white person tells that same joke to a black person he's only just met, the black may be offended because he doesn't know if that white person truly believes in the content of the joke.

I agree 100% with that, I think what bothers me is the fact that is is more acceptable for non whites to tell white jokes on screen or in mass circulated media because I don't know what their intentions are becasue I don't know them and that its somehow unacceptable for me to feel uncomfortable because of it

[The Gooch]

White people are all card carrying members of the "Lucky Sperm and Egg Club". Sorry, couldn't resist.

Lets be honest if we all looked the same we'd just find some other reason to hold someone else down. It's kinda depressing when you think about it. The communist ideal of comrades is utopian when it comes to human nature.

[Afterlife]

This is spiralling out of hand. lol

In such an easier way to sum up Funky's last argument of race jokes,
I will quote myself: "There is an insurmountable difference between dogma and jest." That means, a joke is a joke and serious is serious. Anyone can tell the difference between the two in conversation, by such factors as connotation, body language, inflection, etc., etc.

That being said, Vince was goofing around. Everyone on Earth knows he was kidding. Re...fucking...lax.

Oh, and as for being able to laugh at each other, I find that you can generally judge your audience pretty well once you've met them for about 5 minutes. One can usually tell a tight wad from a libertarian. And I guarantee, I can laugh at anything thrown my way in jest, as well as throw right back. Seems to me, if people would drop all these damn grudges in the first place and embrace a fucking sense of humor about life, we'd all be better off. People sucked in history, all over the planet. Now let's grow up and hit some future with a god damn smile.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? Not trying to argue here, just adding a few quick points. It's not like all black people use the word like that. IN fact, I'd be surprised if more than 50% did commonly. I really don't think it should be used openly at all, especially by other races. Chris Rock had a bit where he talks about the difference between black people and "niggers" It's funny, and arguablly true. "Guess Who." Is a remake of "Guess who's coming to dinner" which was made back in the day. In the film, a white girl brought a black man home for the holidays. So what's everyone's stance on quoting movie or song lines with the word in it? Always made me hella uncomfortable.

Keep in mind, Pete's only experiences with blacks come from an accidental rental of "White Chicks."

I don't know how many blacks use nigga as a greeting, but then, neither does the guy saying "They call themselves it." Blacks aren't one entity. And yes, some Jews use Kike. deal with it.

Chris rock's mother said essentially that his "Niggers vs Black people" routine aptly fit his neighborhood. It's arguably true, but not every perspective matches his.

Me? I'll say nigger quoting a song or a movie with no problem. I'll make satirical comments about niggers. I have no problem with the word anymore. I used to be horribly uncomfortable, but that level of discomfort is pointless.

Now common sense, on the other hand...

[Indifferent Clox]

Originally Posted by Destor I didn't know Americans were a race.

^that says it all...
Dude, racism is so 20th century! Shut up and get over it. It's people getting all angry about it that set this country back 20 years... no one should be offended, it was funny, they do it in family guy all the time and we laugh. It's just an angle that works, not every foreigner is used as a racism point.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, it's not the fact that America's as racist as it was 20 years ago that sets it back, it's people reacting to a racist crack that sets it back.

[Afterlife]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Yeah, it's not the fact that America's as racist as it was 20 years ago that sets it back, it's people reacting to a racist crack that sets it back.

Sarcasm noted, Kane. But wiithout the sarcasm, what you wrote is precisly tru. The man's right, we watch SNL, Family Guy, The Simpsons and damn near anything on Comedy Central, and racial jokes abound. And for some reason, it's funny on tv, except when it's on WWE.

Like I said earlier, people aren't nearly as racist as they used to be, it's that people are afraid to be perceived as racist. That, and some people aren't happy unless they have a reason to bitch or a cause to march on, even if the rest of the world doesn't care.

[Destor]

Americans still aren't a race.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Afterlife Sarcasm noted, Kane. But wiithout the sarcasm, what you wrote is precisly tru. The man's right, we watch SNL, Family Guy, The Simpsons and damn near anything on Comedy Central, and racial jokes abound. And for some reason, it's funny on tv, except when it's on WWE. Like I said earlier, people aren't nearly as racist as they used to be, it's that people are afraid to be perceived as racist. That, and some people aren't happy unless they have a reason to bitch or a cause to march on, even if the rest of the world doesn't care.

When did Family Guy say nigger?

I must've missed it on SNL too.

You can keep claiming we're less racist now, but that's ridiculous. But hey, who wants reality when we can pump this better America bullshit down our throats! It's great to be a White Christian Male in this country!