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Old 01-05-2006, 06:08 PM   #81
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It's actually pretty well documented that I hate LSU.. Yes, I am a SEC fan, so I'll pull for them outside the SEC but have a deep hatred for them when play any other SEC team..
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Old 01-05-2006, 06:09 PM   #82
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Krispy. I WAS pulling for UT (I just thought SC would win), that's the reason for my "Holy Shit" comment towards the end of the game. Just because I didn't say I was 4 months ago means it's all bullshit? If I was in any way rooting on SC, don't you think I would bitched about the blown TD call and the fact that they should of punted on 4th down that late in the game?

Holy shit man, you need to get over yourself. Next time a big game like this comes around... I'll shoot you a PM just so you know who I'm rooting for.

BTW: I'm taking the Bears as NFC Champs. I'll be sure to remind you.


for stima's back-up while I was gone.
You came off as an annoying idiot in this thread..

Simple as..
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Old 01-05-2006, 06:09 PM   #83
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It was the other way around...where LSU actaully won the BCS title game (beating Oklahoma) and USC won the AP poll
I thought that's how it went also..
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Old 01-05-2006, 06:30 PM   #84
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You came off as an annoying idiot in this thread..

Simple as..
I really don't give a shit. Get over it.
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We'll be back next year. Who knows, we might even make it to the championship game if Texas or OSU lose a game, since it's not a stretch that we'll go undefeated next year (Notre Dame's the only real challenge I see, and I think we have the talent to beat UCLA, Cal, and Oregon as long as our new guys play to their potential).

I wonder if Vince Young's cock is sore yet from all the love ESPN's suddenly given him.
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I wonder if Vince Young's cock is sore yet from all the love ESPN's suddenly given him.
They's been blowing him since last year's Rose Bowl.
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Just like they've been chain smoking the poles of everyone who plays for USC.
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lol Instead of the usual "USC IS THE GREATEST COLLEGE TEAM EVER and lets pick them to beat every other great team in the history of college football"

Tommy Fraizer's lead Nebraska > USC
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I heard a clip on the radio earlier... Did Lienhart after the game really say on national TV. "We're still the better team" or something to that effect?

I dunno man... we might have another Ryan Leaf here...
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Old 01-05-2006, 08:31 PM   #90
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Yep he did.

Hey, I just joined this thread. Trying to think of that guy's name ....... uhhhh ..... he is a pretty good ball player ..... uhhhhh ..... oh yeah, I remember. That Vince Young guy might end up making some cash!
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I heard a clip on the radio earlier... Did Lienhart after the game really say on national TV. "We're still the better team" or something to that effect?

I dunno man... we might have another Ryan Leaf here...
Yea he did, I think I made post about it in the CFBall thread.

I really don't know how he could say that, it wasn't like it was a fluke or something. I could see if they outgained Texas like 500-250yards or something but everything was pretty even.
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- Right now, my national title game prediction is indeed Texas vs Ohio State. Penn State will be good next year and could knock OSU from the top of the Big 10, but we'll see. Right now, that's my call.
That'll be difficult to happen because they play each other again next year in the regular season but yeah I think they are the 2 best teams as of now.
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I heard a clip on the radio earlier... Did Lienhart after the game really say on national TV. "We're still the better team" or something to that effect?

I dunno man... we might have another Ryan Leaf here...
Yes, he did
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If you want to get semantic, USC has the better team. Top to bottom, huge talent.

And I'll say right now, while I love the dog, I always pull for the underdog no matter what (except vs MN teams), and this was no different. However, from what I had heard and seen, the Trojans were by far the greatest team in NCAA football. Like, they could beat an NFL team good. And, I figured this would be a blowout. I didn't see why not.

But I was wrong. And I admit it just as Joey Slugs admitted it. I talked to people online who said, it was going to be a blowout, plain and simple. Not a slugfest that came down to the final play. Not a 12 point deficit erased in 5 minutes. Just a shellacking. There's nothing stupid about thinking that USC would win, then admitting that Texas proved them wrong.

The entire defense of Texas went out of the game with cramps. They left everything on the field. You could tell a lot of USC players phoned it in, like they expected to win. Like they expected more calls. Leinart expected a flag on every defensed pass. And to be honest, the offensive line held the shit out of Texas.

But I won't get into this battle of refs. Fact is, USC had the better team, top to bottom. Better at every position, faster, stronger, but a lot of them saved themselves so they didn't get injured. Didn't want to be the next Willis McGahee. Did you notice Reggie Bush didn't touch the ball much at all the entire game? It pissed me off, but you don't want to risk your #1 status... but then, in the end... he lost it anyway.

USC, the better team, hands down... on offense, defense, special teams... but Texas had more heart... but more importantly, they had one thing USC didn't have: Vince Young. He threw like McNabb, ran like Vick and led like McNair in the 99 Superbowl. Except his team won

He outplayed the offense and defense of Southern Cal... So yes, USC has the better team... but Vince Young > the entire USC team.

And to Corkscrewed, with your 10,000,000 arguments about the game... shut up. You have no argument. Texas won. Vince Young dominated, and Reggie Bush was lined up as a receiver and never saw the ball come his way. Horrible gameplan, overconfidence, and Leinart being exposed for the overrated hack he is. No argument. The game is over, the streak is over, the Dynasty is over. Sorry. Reggie Bush is #2 overall.
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How is USC top to bottom better at every position? Like how can you even say that? That is EXTREMELY debateable. USC kills them at the RB spot, but I'm not seeing more talent in other positions, I'd say they are pretty much equal.

All 4 of the Texas DBs are NFL material, All 5 of the Offensive lineman, the Texas TE had over 10 grabs last night and the list goes on. Everyone just hears how good USC is all the time and just assume they have the best talent, I dunno about all that. Texas is FROM Texas after, where High School football is life.
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I'm talking they are better as in Madden better... they'd be rated higher. Faster, bigger, stronger (in my opinion). I just saw them do what they wanted when they wanted... but then you see shit like that TE for Texas dive from his knees for that grab, and the defenders getting IVs put in them from dehydration, and you're right... football is life to them. So they left it all on the field, and ended up winning, because it took everything they had to win. It was very sexy.

But yeah as I said, Madden better... they'd have better speed, strength, and all that, USC would... these guys on USC are all rated like, top of the country... I dunno, the defense for Texas didn't impress me... no pass rush, couldn't really stop USC's #1 WR or Reggie Bush... but they had nonstop hustle... at the end where they're like "Well this guy right here, he's a freshman stepping in since everyone else is on the sideline," and he worked his ass off as well.

That Sweed kid is pretty good, but the USC WR was sick. Texas has no running game (compared to Bush and White), and USC had a consistent pass rush, which Texas didn't seem to have. The secondaries seemed equal to me (both got shredded -- and with I think three high picks in the USC secondary, they played horribly)... the kicking position is definitely unequal... and as far as I know, Leinart is the defending Heisman winner and supposedly the best QB in the country. Doesn't mean he's a better leader, athlete or competitor than Vince Young... but hey... he's a great QB! (so I've heard)...

But you are right that it's debatable... that it's all hype... I guess I'm going off the assumption that most of the hype has grounds in reality, though who knows.
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You know, to say the refs blew it is assinine. Here's the thing, did the ref's blow it when Texas would have been faced with 4th down and about 4 but instead because a USC player gets called for pulling on a facemask of a Texas player, Texas has a first down. The refs did not blow the game, USC blew the game
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That interception that wasn't reviewed, that first scoring drive that was kept alive by a facemask by Texas, see, there were things on both sides. And who's to say the lateral, had it been ruled down, wouldn't have been followed by another TD? If you go in and change one thing, you need to change everything. It could have ended up a 75-35 blowout win for Texas had that one play been reversed, you never know.

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Also let's realize that on the 4th and 1 play, where was Reggie Bush.

Oh yeah, I'm sorry, the sideline.
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I would've at least had Bush and White split in the backfield to force the defense to play honest but I would've given White the ball too in that situation. That's the type of play he's built for.

Pete Carroll did a fine job. He didn't coach poorly, he just got outmatched by Vince Young.
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Not Madden good? lol...You do realize Texas has the best defensive backfield in the country - Huff won the Thrope, and the rest are all NFL prospects. Texas probably has the best offensive line too. I'm sure they are all going to be "Madden good" Texas has just as many 5 stars recruits as USC. Texas kids aren't just life or death with football, they are extremely good at it too.

And the thing about not trying, I dunno about all that. I don't USC came into this game thinking they were going to win easy or something. Even though people felt they were going to win, it wasn't like people felt it was going to be a cake walk. And saying Reggie Bush didn't go all out because he didn't wanna end up like McGahee is funny, you can't play football trying not to get hurt because that's when you do. Everyone is acting like Reggie had a terrible game or something, 85 yards rushing 95 recieving. Not a bad day at the office. Yeah - he didn't put up 400 total yards of offense but you know why? He wasn't playing Frenso State, or Cal, or Washington. He was playing Texas, one of the best defense's in the country.
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And for that 4th down play, I would have lined up Bush in the slot, and LenDale in the backfield. Then gave it to White while having Bush come around on a fake slot reverse.
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I tought the bad coaching decision was calling the timout on the 2 point conversion. There was no way you were going to stop Vince Young from getting two yards no matter what defense you had set up.
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Yeah that was a dumb move because then on the last drive you could have done a lot more with that timeout. Its easy to say that now tho
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And I'll say right now, while I love the dog, I always pull for the underdog no matter what (except vs MN teams), and this was no different. However, from what I had heard and seen, the Trojans were by far the greatest team in NCAA football. Like, they could beat an NFL team good. And, I figured this would be a blowout. I didn't see why not.
As good as USC is, they could not (nor could any other college team) beat an NFL team. Not even the Texans.

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I'm talking they are better as in Madden better... they'd be rated higher.
Madden, as in the game? What the hell does their rating on a computerized video game have to do with their overall talent?

I think you need to get a few college games under your belt before you can go off and consider yourself "an expert" and catergorize players as better or worse.
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Good thing I'm at home so I don't have to listen to ESPN suck Vince Young's penis.
Could you kindly explain to me how that would be a bad thing? All we have heard ever since we knew it would be UT - USC is how USC is going to dominate, USC is the best team ever, USC could beat any team from the past, Reggie Bush is the chosen one, etc. etc. etc. USC '05 were a media's dream. They milked it for all they could. Vince Young and Texas got zero publicity whatsoever compared to God's team, and that was probably a good thing for Texas. Even after the game I saw more interviews with Leinart, bush, White, etc. It was like they couldn't believe they got beat and couldn't believe that THEY were wrong.

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I think Krispy is still pissed about USC beating out LSU for the title.
LSU won the BCS National Championship that year (which is what I consider the outright NC). That's why I don't like the whole "three-pete" talk and think it's BS. In 2003, LSU won the BCS National Championship. The Associated Press, part of the BCS formula, voted USC No. 1 and that was figured into the final BCS standings to select the two championship game teams. The AP did not pull out of the BCS until well after the bowl games. How can Pete Carroll embrace the BCS when it favors his team but "thumb his nose" at it when it doesn't? I guess, if the AP were to vote the Trojans the 2005 national champs, he would "thumb his nose" at the BCS again.To claim an AP National Championship is bogus in my mind. That would be like me claiming we have won 17, when we only have 12.


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Refs get it right, USC wins. I'm not bitter, really doesn't matter to me, it's nice to see Carrol win, but I'm not a "fan".

That being said, the refs blew a bunch of calls.
Come on, are you serious?
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No, USC did win the National Title fair and share, they didn't win the BCS game but they were on top of the AP poll so that makes a National Champ. I think Auburn should have been a split last year but they weren't voted on top of the AP poll, for whatever reasons. Back before the BCS they used be split champions here and there because there wasn't actaully a title game, you just went to whatever bowl game that your conference was tied with.
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As good as USC is, they could not (nor could any other college team) beat an NFL team. Not even the Texans.



Madden, as in the game? What the hell does their rating on a computerized video game have to do with their overall talent?

I think you need to get a few college games under your belt before you can go off and consider yourself "an expert" and catergorize players as better or worse.
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Madden, as in the game? What the hell does their rating on a computerized video game have to do with their overall talent?

I think you need to get a few college games under your belt before you can go off and consider yourself "an expert" and catergorize players as better or worse.
Now take into consideration, you have the fastest, strongest, dumb as an ox player. Would he make an NFL team?

Brock Lesnar, anyone?

Now, you put this player on Madden, and regardless of football intelligence or ability to play the game, he will dominate. Strength and speed and agility and physical attributes in general are what matter -- not football skill. Of course, Lesnar is the exception to this rule, as Madden screwed him to compensate for his inability to play football. His speed, agility, jumping, strength have all been understated to justify him being in the game without being an elite player.

And I've never considered myself an expert. All I know is what I saw on the field. But instead of putting up an argument, all you did is insult. That pretty much tells me you don't know anything, but I made you mad. That's okay, I understand.

But if you can't tell hyperbole when you see it, friend, then maybe you should get a few phonics books under your belt before you post on an internet message board.
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Not Madden good? lol...You do realize Texas has the best defensive backfield in the country - Huff won the Thrope, and the rest are all NFL prospects. Texas probably has the best offensive line too. I'm sure they are all going to be "Madden good" Texas has just as many 5 stars recruits as USC. Texas kids aren't just life or death with football, they are extremely good at it too.

And the thing about not trying, I dunno about all that. I don't USC came into this game thinking they were going to win easy or something. Even though people felt they were going to win, it wasn't like people felt it was going to be a cake walk. And saying Reggie Bush didn't go all out because he didn't wanna end up like McGahee is funny, you can't play football trying not to get hurt because that's when you do. Everyone is acting like Reggie had a terrible game or something, 85 yards rushing 95 recieving. Not a bad day at the office. Yeah - he didn't put up 400 total yards of offense but you know why? He wasn't playing Frenso State, or Cal, or Washington. He was playing Texas, one of the best defense's in the country.
I wasn't talking about Bush -- it just seems like it because he's the HB meant to go #1... well, shit, maybe I was talking about Bush, but he did run hard and all, but he just wasn't used enough. Like, pounding the ball with White was meant to wear the Texas defense down -- and it did.

Which brings me to my next point: Since I am not an "expert" at college ball, it just seemed like Texas was way overmatched. Like the receivers of USC were blocking like O-Linemen, and the Texas defense just didn't seem to be in the same league. Maybe overall I am wrong, but in that game, that's my observation... I was making an argument for Leinart, but I see your point. I mean, I still feel USC had the better talent... but then, what do I know?

PS: I never saw Rodrique Wright playing. He just surpassed Kelly Gregg and Norman Hand on my DT rotation on Madden. I've read conflicting reports about how good he is... thoughts?
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I would've at least had Bush and White split in the backfield to force the defense to play honest but I would've given White the ball too in that situation. That's the type of play he's built for.

Pete Carroll did a fine job. He didn't coach poorly, he just got outmatched by Vince Young.
More people need to do that. Power and Glory, Thunder and Lightning... teams without a "complete back" should get one solid, strong, good blocker, and one athletic playmaker. You can run it up the middle, run it outside, use the power back as a lead blocker, run a swing with the speed back while the power stays back and blocks... c'mon, it's so easy. Julius Jones and Marion Barber, baby.

err, off topic. nevermind.
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Texas and USC both had 7 All Americans this year.

And Rod Wright is a sick motherfucker, he'll be going 1st round.
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No, USC did win the National Title fair and share, they didn't win the BCS game but they were on top of the AP poll so that makes a National Champ. I think Auburn should have been a split last year but they weren't voted on top of the AP poll, for whatever reasons. Back before the BCS they used be split champions here and there because there wasn't actaully a title game, you just went to whatever bowl game that your conference was tied with.
I guess we just agree to disagree then.

Auburn were '04-'05 Eufaula Tribune National Champions though. They got rings and a parade and everything I'm pretty sure, haha. This happening after the starter of the poll basically fixed it so Auburn could win. Pretty ridiculous. I do think last year was a PERFECT situation to realize that we needed a playoff. Four undefeated teams. I don't care what conference you're in, if you go the whole season unblemished, you deserve a shot. This includes Utah as well.
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The BCS was probably so happy when Pitt won the weak Big East last year so they could put Utah up againest them so it wouldn't really prove anything when Utah won. Then again, people felt the Big East was weak this year and their champion did beat the SEC champ so who knows. That's why they play the games.
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Yeah, Georgia put on a pretty show the first half or so. Seemed like a lot of teams just waited too long to show up at the bowl games.
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