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Old 01-19-2006, 01:36 AM   #1
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Rock's thoughts on HBK? Wrestlemania
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- One match that was discussed for Wrestlemania would have pitted The Rock vs. Shawn Michaels. However, The Rock doesn't believe HBK was ever as big of a star as Austin, Hogan, Goldberg or Foley. Apparently, when The Rock broke into the business, Michaels was an ass to him, and he never forget it. The name that would interest The Rock for a Wrestlemania match is Bret Hart.


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thoughts?

I am not scared of the guy who's one big move is pumping up his reeboks!!!
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:57 AM   #2
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Shawn Michaels name drew more the Bret Hart...But Bret was a respectable man, I guess Rock would go with someone who he respects. What an asshole!
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Old 01-19-2006, 02:14 AM   #3
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I would say Bret drew as much as Shawn maybe even more
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Old 01-19-2006, 02:15 AM   #4
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Rock vs Bret would be sweeeeet.
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Old 01-19-2006, 02:16 AM   #5
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Old 01-19-2006, 02:22 AM   #6
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Hart can't step in a ring...seriously guys I know this is hard to realise but if a strong breeze hits Bret's head he is fucked. No more in ring work for Hart. Accept that.

As for the idea that Hart at one point or another could out draw Michaels...I say nay, however I fully admit there is a lot of conversation to be had, and many debates to settle since it would be all but impossible to determine exactly who could out draw who at any point in time.
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How about Rock vs Sting in TNA?
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I do agree with The Rock, in that Shawn Michaels' is good, but he's not in the same tier as names like Stone Cold Steve Austin and Hulk Hogan.

On an interview with IGN, I read that The Rock would love to face Rey Mysterio in a match in San Diego, with The Rock as a heel, and Mysterio as a face. That would be some good shit right there. Chicago ain't no San Diego, but they may as well run the match.
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Old 01-19-2006, 02:27 AM   #9
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Old 01-19-2006, 02:30 AM   #10
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The only remaining "Icon/Legend" match that Rock would fit well into would be against Kevin Nash...and actually if you could JUST have the build up with no actual in ring action, that would be best.
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The only remaining "Icon/Legend" match that Rock would fit well into would be against Kevin Nash...and actually if you could JUST have the build up with no actual in ring action, that would be best.
Oh yeah, and you would have to accept Nash as a Legend or Icon...
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Old 01-19-2006, 03:09 AM   #12
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Michaels no on the same "tier" as Austin and Hogan? Since his return in 2002, he has stolen the show on almost every RAW and paper view. Michaels may not have the same recognition and star power as those two, but he's definitly on their level.
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SEE! for all you fuckers who constantly say "get over Bret! Bret still draws interest whether it be fans or superstars..Bret the hitman hart is still money!

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Old 01-19-2006, 04:20 AM   #14
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Shut the fuck up, Mac. For the love of god it was 8 god damn years ago. Bret draws to The Rock only because The Rock and HBK have some bad blood. That, and BRET CAN'T WRESTLE ANYMORE!!!
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I would say Bret drew as much as Shawn maybe even more
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The match would be over before it began. Pieces of the Rock would be found backstage, spattered about the room in a manner that would suggest a roundhouse kick to the face.
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Old 01-19-2006, 10:02 AM   #20
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Wait...Which is worth more?
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Old 01-19-2006, 10:21 AM   #22
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Bret drew more, significantly more
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Than a dime or a Canadian dollar?
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Old 01-19-2006, 12:11 PM   #24
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The only remaining "Icon/Legend" match that Rock would fit well into would be against Kevin Nash...and actually if you could JUST have the build up with no actual in ring action, that would be best.
There is only a small amount of quad-tearing jokes The Rock can do
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:10 PM   #26
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Not to take sides, but Bret was a better house show and (if memory serves) PPV draw than Michaels. Even though I'm a massive Shawn fan, I think Bret was a better draw.
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:16 PM   #29
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Not to take sides, but Bret was a better house show and (if memory serves) PPV draw than Michaels. Even though I'm a massive Shawn fan, I think Bret was a better draw.
there's no doubt about it.

Nobody had to paper Webley Stadium, HBK didn't even come close to filling the show in his hometown, and that was HBK biggets drawing show. When your biggest drawing show is considered a major disappointment, its clear where you stand as a draw.

Bret's numbers outside of the US alone make him bigger than HBK as a draw. But the thing is, he was bigger draw int he US as well. So its not even a debate.
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HBK treated him like shit. If HBK did the same to you, you wouldn't want to work with him either.

Bret vs. Rock would be great. It won't happen but I'd love to see Rock back for Wrestlemania.
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That's kinda dumb though, seeing as they never did a PPV in England before and they did 95% of their shows in America.
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Old 01-19-2006, 03:45 PM   #33
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Old 01-19-2006, 03:51 PM   #34
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Old 01-19-2006, 04:02 PM   #36
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I would say Bret drew as much as Shawn maybe even more



And I'd say that you're probably a dumbass biased Canadian mark!


As far as this discussion is concerned, I'll give my two cents:

-Shawn Michaels drew far more than Threat Fart. Why else do you think Vince wanted Bret to take the offer that WCW made him in 97'? Is it just a coincidence that WWE ratings went THROUGH THE ROOF shortly after the departure of Threat Fart? No - I'd say no. On the other hand, look what happened to WCW? WCW was DESTROYING the WWE in ratings. Bret Hart shows up, flaunts his ego, and the company ultimately went down the toilet.

WCW had a great thing going with Flair, Hogan, etc. at the top, until Hart started whining about the 'glass ceiling', etc. Hart basically became the spokesman for the non-main-eventers (as to how they were supposedly being 'held back') and this created a huge friction within the company. Bret Hart a respectable man? LOL. Hardly. Like I said in other threads - this guy is still using the 'Montreal' incident (along with Owen's death) to mint in money from his sheep fans.

With the exception of Diesel, Bret was the SMALLEST draw as champion. Vince knew this, and that's why Vince let Diesel and Bret go.


-The Rock is incorrect when he says HBK wasn't as big a star as Foley.....although I understand The Rock's bitterness in this situation. HBK was apparently a dick to The Rock during his formative years, and so I see no reason for The Rock to be gracious back.

Having said that - Goldberg, Austin, and Hogan are far bigger than HBK...so he's right there.
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Old 01-19-2006, 04:07 PM   #37
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HBK treated him like shit. If HBK did the same to you, you wouldn't want to work with him either.

Bret vs. Rock would be great. It won't happen but I'd love to see Rock back for Wrestlemania.

Sorry kid.

The Rock versus Shitman Fart wouldn't be a great match anymore. Shitman Fart is a 48 year old cripple, while The Rock (now known as The Pebble) has about as much muscle mass as Will Smith.

Heel HBK or heel Cena vs. The Rock would be quite a show though....if The Rock beefed up a bit before Mania and worked off the ring rust.
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Old 01-19-2006, 04:10 PM   #38
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That promo sucked cock.
Ok, heel Rock = Greatness:
http://youtube.com/w/The-Rock-disses...rch=the%20rock
(Canada gets pwned)
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Old 01-19-2006, 04:18 PM   #39
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there's no doubt about it.

Nobody had to paper Webley Stadium, HBK didn't even come close to filling the show in his hometown, and that was HBK biggets drawing show. When your biggest drawing show is considered a major disappointment, its clear where you stand as a draw.

Bret's numbers outside of the US alone make him bigger than HBK as a draw. But the thing is, he was bigger draw int he US as well. So its not even a debate.
1. It was a major summerslam PPV (at a time when there were only 4 ppvs during the year)

2. They had never done such an event in England or outside North America

3. He was wrestling DAVEY BOY SMITH...who is from England if you have forgotten....I think that MAY have had something to do with the draw.

So dont give so much praise to Bret for that.

Id also like to add HBK's reigns as champ came after Bret Hart and Diesel (niether who drew much) so he was coming in as champion at a poor time also.
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Old 01-19-2006, 04:19 PM   #40
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Lo and behold, another biased Canadian mark.

Is Toronto still the center of the universe in your little gay world?
it is, but thats not the point of the thread.

HBK drew less money, look it up if you have to.

You talked about Bret is WCW, yet he ws never in the top position to draw in WCW, so his run there is irrelevant.

Look at HBK's run on top in 96 and compare it Bret's runs, Bret drew more money, bottom line.

After Bret left WCW, it was Austin who was the top guy, and he was the sole reason (well the program with McMahon) the ratings took off like they did. Had nothing to do with Bret.

If you want to use stupid logic like you did before, how about this:

When HBK left in 98 WWE hit the highest levels of any wrestling company in history. When he came back in 02, the business started to go south. Maybe that's HBK's fault (note: it really isn't, but we're using your crazy logic).

You should really do your research before you try to go against what I say.
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