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Old 02-06-2006, 10:18 PM   #1
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Latest news on Edge/Cena, Mick Foley's WM involvement
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Edge is conspicuously absent from the Road To WrestleMania Tournament, but according to the Wrestling-Observer, he will likely take on Cena in his final match in the title picture at Saturday Night's Main Event.

The speculation is that Edge will then move on to wrestle Mick Foley at WWE WrestleMania in a match designed to solidify Edge as an integral part of WWE television.




my thoughts what a bunch of crap.
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Old 02-06-2006, 10:47 PM   #2
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:07 PM   #3
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The speculation is that Edge will then move on to wrestle Mick Foley at WWE WrestleMania in a match designed to solidify Edge as an integral part of WWE television.
And they couldn't have done that, y'know, with him as champion?
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:10 PM   #4
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:13 PM   #5
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No, they'd rather turn their back on the three highest-rated episodes of RAW in four months by reverting to a face champion that was being booed by a large percentage of the audience.
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:23 PM   #6
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:24 PM   #7
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No, they'd rather turn their back on the three highest-rated episodes of RAW in four months by reverting to a face champion that was being booed by a large percentage of the audience.
Yeah, I don't know why they'd put it back on a guy who was now getting bigger pops than ever, over a guy who was getting less and les sof a reaction. Besides, the ratings cuts both ways. We could justify the belt being on Triple H perpetually.
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Yeah, I don't know why they'd put it back on a guy who was now getting bigger pops than ever, over a guy who was getting less and les sof a reaction. Besides, the ratings cuts both ways. We could justify the belt being on Triple H perpetually.
We could. And there's certainly an argument to be made. The ratings were higher with HHH as champion than they were when Cena had it, just like they were higher with Edge.

Now, I can understand that first night after NYR, because of the Live Sex thing, but the ratings stayed high for the following two weeks, actually going up two-tenths of a point between the second and third. They stayed at 4.5 last week, but they're always high the night after a PPV.

Tonight's rating will definitely help in deciding this argument. Not that it will be the decisive factor, but if RAW can maintain viewers with Cena as champion, then it takes a little wind out of the "Edge = Ratings" sails.
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:33 PM   #11
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Takes a LOT of wind out of the sails.

Then again, so did the crowd being dead for Edge at the Rumble, and popping for the guy they were booing before...
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Was Cena a Face and was Edge a heel? Could that have something to do with it?
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:39 PM   #13
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Don't give me they cheered Angle. They cheerd Angle becasuse he's Kurt Angle. I like Edge but still Edge isn't on Angle's level.
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:39 PM   #14
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Was Cena a Face and was Edge a heel? Could that have something to do with it?
Heels are supposed to draw no reaction?

Bah gawd, the next thing you're going to tell me is the quarter hours in which people stopped watching Raw to avoid HHH proved how much of a draw he was!

Yeah, your argument works really well, what with the dead crowd reactions to him...
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:41 PM   #15
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Don't give me they cheered Angle. They cheerd Angle becasuse he's Kurt Angle. I like Edge but still Edge isn't on Angle's level.
I'm sorry, now you're reaching for an argument.
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Edge was getting booed, and was getting booed tonight rather loud mind you.

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Old 02-06-2006, 11:52 PM   #17
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Okay, just for shits and giggles, I plotted out all the RAW title reigns over the last two years (dating back to Benoit's post-WM XX reign) to see who drew what kind of ratings.

Benoit's 2004 title reign averaged a 3.8 rating.
Randy Orton beat him, but averaged only a 3.6 rating as champion.
Orton dropped the strap to HHH, who also only got 3.6.
Then the title was held up, and the average rating fell to 3.4.
Triple H wins it back in the Elimination Chamber, and his average rating is 3.9.
Batista wins it at Mania, and until the draft lottery, he averages a 4.0.
Cena is brought over from SD and until he drops it to Edge, he draws a 3.8.
Edge's three-week reign averaged a 4.4.

So, yeah, over the last two years, WWE drew more with Edge as the champion than anyone else. We'll see what happens to the RAW rating now that the strap is back on Cena. If it stays high, it could just be that more people are watching RAW now. If it doesn't, I think it'd just be stubborn not to notice that a three-week ratings spike at the same time as Edge's title regin was more than coincidental.
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Old 02-07-2006, 01:31 AM   #18
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A three weeks rating spike is one thing but take it for what it is, just a three week spike. Now I am not sure of figures so may be out by a long shot here but I am pretty sure all the reigns you listed lasted much longer than three weeks and all those reigns probably drew one too two high ratings right?

If I am right (stop reading if I am not) then the average of lower rated shows (and bare in mind the champ is not the be all and end all of a show rating) would drag down the overall reign average making Edges ratings good but probably a little bit lopsided due to lack of time as champion.
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Bah gawd, the next thing you're going to tell me is the quarter hours in which people stopped watching Raw to avoid HHH proved how much of a draw he was!

Yeah, your argument works really well, what with the dead crowd reactions to him...
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*Smells blood in the water... The blood of a n00b who uses internet slang*

Here are your grammar mistakes sonny boy.

HHH (We capitalize because it's a proper name) sucked (you forgot the "c") and that (Holy crap, you wrote two words with no fuck-ups. GOOD JOB.) is (not a "z," rather an abused and almost forgotten letter that we call an "s") all (very good, you finished strong without a mistake.... Oh wait. You forgot the period. The end of the sentance requires punctuation. You couldn't really call this much of a sentance, but for the sake of todays exercize, call it one.)

Your phrase should read like this:

"HHH sucked and that is all."

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So, yeah, over the last two years, WWE drew more with Edge as the champion than anyone else.
Wow, and since Edge is the only wrestler who was on those nights, that again SO proves your point! My mind has been changed!

Again, Triple H logic. If the show is doing good, I must be the reason.
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A three weeks rating spike is one thing but take it for what it is, just a three week spike. Now I am not sure of figures so may be out by a long shot here but I am pretty sure all the reigns you listed lasted much longer than three weeks and all those reigns probably drew one too two high ratings right?

If I am right (stop reading if I am not) then the average of lower rated shows (and bare in mind the champ is not the be all and end all of a show rating) would drag down the overall reign average making Edges ratings good but probably a little bit lopsided due to lack of time as champion.
Allow me to predict the responses you will get:

EEEEEEEEEDGE!!!!! EDGE RULES!!!! TOP DRAWING CHAMPION!!!! WAAAAAAAA!

Someone, please stop me if I left anything out. Between the fanboyism and the intellectual dishonesty, there may have been a rational, intelligent point I glazed over in the middle.
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Wow, and since Edge is the only wrestler who was on those nights, that again SO proves your point! My mind has been changed!

Again, Triple H logic. If the show is doing good, I must be the reason.
WWE had/has no other somewhat interesting storyline going on though. I kind of like HBK/Vonce storyline but I don't think it's a ratings grabber.

Edge and Cena was the only thing Raw had going. The rumble wasn't even really built up this year.

So the Edge and Cena feud probably is a good reason for the rating increase.
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Edge winning the title was a hotshot, which by design is a short term attention getter. So before the Copeland Cocksuckers filter in and talk about how Edge was the saviour of WWE, keep in mind it was 3 shows coming of a major hotshot angle, with other hotshotted things thrown in as well, such as TLC for the WWE Title, Angle/Michaels, Live Sex etc. Yes, Edge deserves commendation for being a success as opposed to the failure he was expected to be, but lets not start getting ahead of ourselves saying Edge was the highest rated champion and was a spectacularly major deal, because the circumstances are completely different, and it's a silly argument to make based of just three shows.
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WWE had/has no other somewhat interesting storyline going on though. I kind of like HBK/Vonce storyline but I don't think it's a ratings grabber.
They had NO interesting storyline, by that logic.

I found McMAhon Michaels to be better, and THAT had me flipping around for something to watch.

And since personal preference dictates what the fans watch...Check and Mate.

(Disclaimer: The above statement has no grounding in reality, but until I'm presented with an argument that does, I'll probably just keep recycling their bullshit, half-assed logic. Have a nice day).
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Old 02-07-2006, 01:33 PM   #28
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Wow, and since Edge is the only wrestler who was on those nights, that again SO proves your point! My mind has been changed!

Again, Triple H logic. If the show is doing good, I must be the reason.
It was the only new thing going on those weeks, yes. It was the only thing that we hadn't been seeing for weeks leading up to NYR. Those three weeks, we got more of the HBK/Vince storyline, more of the Trish/Mickie storyline, more of HHH/Big Show. The only major storyline that was new during that time period was Edge as the champion.

Now, obviously, it's not the only factor, and I'm certain I said that on more than one occasion, so the sarcasm goes unappreciated as it's not grounded in anything.

I'm merely saying that for three weeks without Cena as the champion, ratings were higher than they ever were with him as champion. Coincidence or not, those are the facts.

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A three weeks rating spike is one thing but take it for what it is, just a three week spike. Now I am not sure of figures so may be out by a long shot here but I am pretty sure all the reigns you listed lasted much longer than three weeks and all those reigns probably drew one too two high ratings right?
During Cena's seven months as RAW champion, RAW only drew at least a 4.3 (the lowest of Edge's three weeks) three times. Cena gets it three times in seven months, Edge gets it three times in three weeks.

Batista managed it twice in nine weeks.

Triple H's early 2005 run never got ratings that high.

Ditto for HHH's pre-vacancy run.

Orton didn't do it, either.

Benoit did it twice in his six-month reign.

So, yeah, they all had low-rated weeks which Edge never had a chance to do during his short reign, but none of them had as many 4.3+ ratings during their entire reigns as RAW had during each of the three weeks Edge had the gold.
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It was a hotshot! Of course it's going to boost ratings in a short burst, that's the point.
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It was a hotshot! Of course it's going to boost ratings in a short burst, that's the point.
All I'm saying is that it didn't just boost them. It boosted them to their highest point in two years.
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For a couple of weeks, and it wasn't even on it own in terms of what was hotshotted.
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Old 02-07-2006, 06:13 PM   #33
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Edge winning the title was a hotshot, which by design is a short term attention getter. So before the Copeland Cocksuckers filter in and talk about how Edge was the saviour of WWE, keep in mind it was 3 shows coming of a major hotshot angle, with other hotshotted things thrown in as well, such as TLC for the WWE Title, Angle/Michaels, Live Sex etc. Yes, Edge deserves commendation for being a success as opposed to the failure he was expected to be, but lets not start getting ahead of ourselves saying Edge was the highest rated champion and was a spectacularly major deal, because the circumstances are completely different, and it's a silly argument to make based of just three shows.
Maybe if they gave him a few more shows to run with the title we wouldnt have to base our arguements of 3 shows.
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All I'm saying is that it didn't just boost them. It boosted them to their highest point in two years.
Hmmm...If this were an era of stars and champions, that might be a salient point.
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Maybe if they gave him a few more shows to run with the title we wouldnt have to base our arguements of 3 shows.
Exactly, and given that things were looking good, it was a bad move to take it of him, and this is coming from someone who doesn't like Edge.
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Old 02-07-2006, 09:51 PM   #38
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I think Edge will be champion again one day. I believe WWE was just testing out how he did as champ. Edge and Foley should have a great match. I remember in 2000 they had some pure gold segments and I remember when Foley got fired as commish how he got conchairto by Edge.
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I think Edge will be champion again one day. I believe WWE was just testing out how he did as champ. Edge and Foley should have a great match. I remember in 2000 they had some pure gold segments and I remember when Foley got fired as commish how he got conchairto by Edge.
If they wanted to test him as champ, perhaps a longer run would've worked?
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Hmmm...If this were an era of stars and champions, that might be a salient point.
Well what, pray tell, was the reason for the three-week rating spike, since it clearly wasn't Edge's title reign?
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