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Old 02-21-2006, 01:20 AM   #1
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Backstage heat on Tommy Dreamer
Partial Source: WrestlingObserver.com

Tommy Dreamer told CM Punk that he could work ROH's date last Sat. with the conditions of he couldn't be advertised, he couldn't job, he couldn't wrestle or be involved with anyone from TNA, and it could only be a one time thing. From there Dreamer left to do an indie date in England. He didn't tell anyone else in WWE that he gave Punk permission including Johnny Ace.

The situation "exploded" at Raw on Monday. Vince and Steph went up to Ace and gave him a bunch of heat asking him why he let a member of WWE appear on a show with "so many TNA stars". Even though a lot of the wrestlers by this time knew that Punk did the ROH show (as well as it being on the net), Ace was said to be "blindsided" by the McMahon's approach. All the heat then went to Punk and he told them Dreamer approved of it, so then Dreamer got the final heat. According to sources, guys like HHH, HBK, Hayes, and even Arn Anderson have been all over Punk about his work rate. Anderson goes along with HHH and says that Punk "copies" a lot of popular moves from Japan. The feeling is Punk's relationship with Maria "doesn't help matters".

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Old 02-21-2006, 01:25 AM   #2
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"Anderson goes along with HHH and says that Punk "copies" a lot of popular moves from Japan."

I... I don't get that...
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Old 02-21-2006, 01:28 AM   #3
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God forbid someone copies a move. We all know HHH invented the knee lift, right?
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Old 02-21-2006, 01:36 AM   #4
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Old 02-21-2006, 01:45 AM   #5
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Why did he bother, wrestlers like Punk, London, and Spanky don't belong in WWE, they will never live up to what they could.
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Old 02-21-2006, 02:59 AM   #6
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I like how everybody dumped it off on someone
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Old 02-21-2006, 03:10 AM   #7
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Punk should have fucking known better in the first place. HHH probably hates him because of the Pepsi Plunge.
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I like how everybody dumped it off on someone
I thought the same thing..

On topic, Tommy Dreamer is the man, being he is the only wrestler I've ever met..
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Old 02-21-2006, 03:16 AM   #9
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CM Punk has great workrate. It's really strange, because Punk works the WWE-style really well, I thought they would be all over him (in a good way).

All I know is that when I see CM Punk on my TV, I pray he gets a standing ovation.
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Old 02-21-2006, 03:18 AM   #10
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Maybe its because y'know all of those people on him are past their best years and Punk has a bright future
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Maybe its because y'know all of those people on him are past their best years and Punk has a bright future
How is having all the people in charge in the number 1 wrestling company being pissed at you considered a bright future?
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Old 02-21-2006, 04:24 AM   #13
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I mean a bright future wrestling wise not being hated by people
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lmao. gotta love the WWE using the worst excuses to get mad at people. Even in cases where they might have a legit reason, they choose the stupid one.
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Old 02-21-2006, 09:05 AM   #15
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God forbid someone copies a move. We all know HHH invented the knee lift, right?
Every move in Triple H's arsenal is new.
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L L, it could be worse. Replace CM Punk, who is well meaning half the time, with... say... Teddy Hart?

As far as the situation... Stupid. Let me enumerate.

1. If Tommy said it was ok and didn't tell other people about it, it's his fault, plain and simple.

2. Johnny Ace is scum of the earth. He got to where he is for two reasons: Being the brother of a Road Warrior and being really close to Giant Baba's wife in All Japan. He and fellow Dynamic Dude Shane Douglas both make me sick, but in completely different ways. At least Shane was talented, he was just an idiot.

3. Stealing popular moves from Japan? Let me guess, there's heat on Gregory Helms for the same reason, right? (Shining Wizard, anyone?) Or do they mean the running Enziguri that Tenzan uses (and Jericho also used)? The reality is: it's all about the Pepsi Plunge. Hell if he modified it just a smidge, it'd be a different move altogether. Let me guess, he should use the Overdrive, right? Then again, he could use the Anaconda Vice for a finish.

3. Arn could have been bigger if he wanted to. He was in the position politically, he just never used the clout he had. A shame really.

4. Hayes, well, if anyone got screwed over by Flair more than Foley, it was Hayes. Maybe the problems with Hayes and Arn have more to do with Lifestyle related (Aren't both Alcoholics?) and the ringwork is more nit-pickery than anything else. I'm not trying to Swiftboat or anything like that, it's a simple observation.

5. Shawn and HHH? heh, it looks like they've gone beyond cutting the legs out from under talent while they are starting on their televised rise (Candido, Douglas, Owen, Test, Jericho, RVD, Booker) and are starting to cut the legs out from under talent PRE-EMPTIVELY.

6. Is Punk an ass? Yeah, sure. But he's also perhaps the best wrestler they have in their developmental program. I was looking at the Punk/Albright promos, and it was painfully obvious that Albright was playing Malenko to Punk's Jericho.

7. His relationship with Maria is negative? Yeah, god forbid he should get involved with someone who is in the business. It can only be bad for his career. Right Shawn? Right Hunter?

In essence, like I said: Stupid.
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CM shouldn't have gone to Dreamer in the first place.
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Old 02-21-2006, 10:24 AM   #19
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IMO, i dont really care how good you are. if your an ass and you havent made it to the big times and your showing disrespect, who cars how talented you are? THis situation is not in punks fault at all, but overall its just a known fact of life. You show disrespect to the pepole who are at were your tryin to be, they wont think to highly of you no matter what you do off that top turnbuckle or what move you can do that hasnt been seen in years. People know this as jealousy and unless your HHH, its not getting you any were.

IMO, we will see punk in TNA, and NEVER in wwe for these reasons.
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lmao. gotta love the WWE using the worst excuses to get mad at people. Even in cases where they might have a legit reason, they choose the stupid one.
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Old 02-21-2006, 10:42 AM   #21
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IMO, i dont really care how good you are. if your an ass and you havent made it to the big times and your showing disrespect, who cars how talented you are? THis situation is not in punks fault at all, but overall its just a known fact of life. You show disrespect to the pepole who are at were your tryin to be, they wont think to highly of you no matter what you do off that top turnbuckle or what move you can do that hasnt been seen in years. People know this as jealousy and unless your HHH, its not getting you any were.

IMO, we will see punk in TNA, and NEVER in wwe for these reasons.

Oh, so he should wait until AFTER he signs to WWE before being an ass? Also, half of the disrespect is considered disrespect if you WANT to be disrespected. If you don't like somebody, you will go out of your way to JUSTIFY not liking that person. Even if it IS grasping at straws. Of course, it works the other way, too. If you like somebody, you will go out of your way to JUSTIFY liking that person.

Also, there's the concept in WWE called "living your gimmick," which some folks are required to do (see: Eugene). CM Punk is a character BASED on disrespect (he doesn't drink, he doesn't do drugs, and he is better than you.). Perhaps, for idiocy reasons, he was told he has to live his gimmick, and he is being punished for doing that? Before you say "That's absurd," this IS WWE. They'll fire you for not cutting your hair and breaking a pot...

As far as your assertion that he'll be on TNA before he'll ever be in WWE television. I agree. It's a shame that it's the case, but I agree.
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Old 02-21-2006, 10:48 AM   #22
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Oh, so he should wait until AFTER he signs to WWE before being an ass? Also, half of the disrespect is considered disrespect if you WANT to be disrespected. If you don't like somebody, you will go out of your way to JUSTIFY not liking that person. Even if it IS grasping at straws. Of course, it works the other way, too. If you like somebody, you will go out of your way to JUSTIFY liking that person.

Also, there's the concept in WWE called "living your gimmick," which some folks are required to do (see: Eugene). CM Punk is a character BASED on disrespect (he doesn't drink, he doesn't do drugs, and he is better than you.). Perhaps, for idiocy reasons, he was told he has to live his gimmick, and he is being punished for doing that? Before you say "That's absurd," this IS WWE. They'll fire you for not cutting your hair and breaking a pot...

As far as your assertion that he'll be on TNA before he'll ever be in WWE television. I agree. It's a shame that it's the case, but I agree.
No he shouldnt wait till hes signed to be an ass, he shiouldnt be an ass is what im tryin to say all togehter. Eugene doesnt live his gimmick backstage, out in public yes, but i doubt backstage. I love to see how far "living his gimmick" by pissing off top names (rememeber beniot is one of those pepole hes annoyed in the past, and hes not HHH/Shawn type of guy) in the backstage by mockingly ask them if he can dress with them amousnst other manuvers gets him.

Personally, id be happy just having maria if i was punk, and grateful that ive come farter then most pepole have in this buisness and wait. now comes about how long hes been waiting.....
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...so because he's dating Maria...........He's getting heat?

WHAT THE FUCK!?
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Also, there's the concept in WWE called "living your gimmick," which some folks are required to do (see: Eugene). CM Punk is a character BASED on disrespect (he doesn't drink, he doesn't do drugs, and he is better than you.). Perhaps, for idiocy reasons, he was told he has to live his gimmick, and he is being punished for doing that? Before you say "That's absurd," this IS WWE. They'll fire you for not cutting your hair and breaking a pot...
I believe he does actually live straight-edge
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The situation "exploded" at Raw on Monday. Vince and Steph went up to Ace and gave him a bunch of heat asking him why he let a member of WWE appear on a show with "so many TNA stars".
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Also, there's the concept in WWE called "living your gimmick," which some folks are required to do (see: Eugene). CM Punk is a character BASED on disrespect (he doesn't drink, he doesn't do drugs, and he is better than you.). Perhaps, for idiocy reasons, he was told he has to live his gimmick, and he is being punished for doing that? Before you say "That's absurd," this IS WWE. They'll fire you for not cutting your hair and breaking a pot...
Uhm... He actually is straight edge. He's a punk, and punks tend to think that they're better than everyone else... Especially straight edge punks. Being an actual punk is a lifestyle.

I think there's some heat (or whatever), that he and Maria are dating, because she's a pretty girly girl and the WWE views it bad for her image. It may not be because of this. There may be some things that we don't know. I can only go on speculation.
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What the TNA part subtly reveals is that they DO consider TNA a threat. If they didn't care about TNA at all, why would they care if Punk was on a show with two or twenty TNA guys?
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If Punk ever makes it full time to WWE he better live up to all this hype he has been getting.
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Old 02-21-2006, 04:35 PM   #38
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Punk is incredibly talented and brings a bit of an old school style and he actually has a good command on how a match should pace, and what spots should be in it. His problem is that he is very headstrong which will only hurt him getting to the main roster.
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I've only heard great things about him in the ring and on the mic. So I do gather he is pretty good.

I Really want to see him.
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You'll enjoy watching him, he reminds me a bit of someone like a Steve Corinio. Punk has youth on his side which will allow him to go further than Corino did. I love watching him, again I just feel like he tries to politic and he doesn't realize that the guys that he's in with aren't the be all end all.
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