Holy crap...i CARE about the women division....

**94 SVT Cobra** · 02-21-2006, 11:09 AM

I gotta admit,maybe its the lack luster product, but ive REALLY been enjoyin the womens division, beyond the fact that there good looking females. Any one else suddenly getting this feeling? they were always impressive wrestlers, dont get me wrong, its just theyve been receving an actually amount of attention from my wrestling side more then usal

02-21-2006, 11:18 AM

...no

**Xero** · 02-21-2006, 11:46 AM

They are getting more attention and storylines, but the wrestling is just getting worse. The only three who can really wrestle on the entire roster are Trish, Victoria, and Mickie. The rest are just eyecandy who can take a bump, do a flashy, easy move, and do a headlock.

**PureHatred** · 02-21-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HaTeR

...no

**Stickman** · 02-21-2006, 12:44 PM

There's usually some innovative move with the women, something the men never do.....except for the trampoline spot.

**PureHatred** · 02-21-2006, 01:00 PM

God knows why this comes up every so often, but here every time it does I break out teh same argument so here it goes:

The "Women's Division" is a complate waste of time if you are watching it for the wrestling.

Clearly the great majority of the WWE fans don't give two shits about the in-ring performance. If they did, then women like Jazz and Molly an to a lesser extent even Gail Kim would still have jobs.

Clearly the great majority of WWE fans really want to see T&A. Which is why th Diva segments get such high numbers.

Basically the WWE figured out that pushing them as 'wrestlers' was a waste of time and have instead decided to ignore the ring work completely and focus on stories. So yeah, the 'women's division' is more entertaining lately becausethey've applied a nice little storyline. But the ringwork is still utter shit and saying anything otherwise is ignorant. One or two little spots does not cover up anything.

This is more than likely what the WWE women's division is going to be from now on: smoking hot bitches running around showing off their cleavage involved in storylines with strong sexual overtones with the occasional shitty match thrown in here and there.

And honestly, that doesn't sound that bad.

**D Mac** · 02-21-2006, 01:01 PM

T & A.

That is all.

**Corkscrewed** · 02-21-2006, 02:49 PM

The thing that I notice often is that Victoria's matches are more innovative than 97% of all other matches I see on WWE programming.

**master** · 02-21-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HaTeR

...no

**D Mac** · 02-22-2006, 01:08 AM

WWE NEEDS GI HO!

**FourFifty** · 02-22-2006, 04:25 AM

Here's how I see the women's division, as if anyone cares.

Mickie James is hot. Her acting isn't the greatest, but come on, it's wrestling. We're not going to get an Oscar winning act from anyone. I think she's playing her role as the psycho chick very well. I'm not big into the women's matches but Mickie makes it worth watching.
Victoria is a great wrestler.
Everyone else is just eye candy.

02-22-2006, 04:28 AM

Trish is eye candy? Hot, definatly, but she CAN wrestle.

**FourFifty** · 02-22-2006, 04:32 AM

So can X-Pac. Your point?

**Blitz** · 02-22-2006, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Me

Trish is eye candy? Hot, definatly, but she CAN wrestle.

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Originally Posted by FourFifty

So can X-Pac. Your point?

02-22-2006, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FourFifty

So can X-Pac. Your point?

So by that idiotic rational, Trish can't get over?

**Blitz** · 02-22-2006, 04:36 AM

This thread gives me an idea for the Columns Forum, if Trips actually puts it up.

02-22-2006, 04:36 AM

Trish can wrestle, work the mic, and the crowd. What more do you need to be good?

02-22-2006, 04:40 AM

+ She's hot.

**FourFifty** · 02-22-2006, 04:46 AM

As eye candy, she can get over. Yeah, I'd hit it. Hell, I might even pay for it.

As women wrestlers go we've seen people that are so much better than her. Lita, Ivory, Molly Holly, Luna Vachon, Alundra Blaze, Moolah, Young, Chyna, Jaquline, Woman... Trish is hot, and she's over because she's hot. She's not a great wrestler.
And don't tell me you need to be a great wrestler to hold a title. Aside from the fact that the women's title has been passed around like a discount hooker at a frat house, and that they forgot about the women's title for around 6 months when Trish was injured, Hogan is far from the best wrestler. Look at him in the ring and tell me he was able to wrestle for his championships.

What does that have to do with X-Pac? As a wrestler he wasn't over. As a part of DX people liked him because they liked DX.
As a wrestler Trish isn't over. As a hottie, on the other hand, people love her.

**D Mac** · 02-22-2006, 05:14 AM

G.I. Ho could kick her ass.

**Blitz** · 02-22-2006, 05:17 AM

Are you fucking kidding me, saying that LITA is a better wrestler than Trish?

**FourFifty** · 02-22-2006, 05:23 AM

Throwing Lita in the mix shows you don't need much to be better than Trish.

Aside from that you show me when Trish has pulled off a moonsault, a suicide dive, or a hurricarana. Yeah, the Chick Kick is alright, but any other move she does is crap.

**D Mac** · 02-22-2006, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by HaTeR

...no

edit. Blitz I thought you were talking to me.

**Blitz** · 02-22-2006, 05:25 AM

And we all know that high spots and flipping are the only things necessary to be a good wrestler.

**D Mac** · 02-22-2006, 05:25 AM

G I is definately hotter then Lita.

**Blitz** · 02-22-2006, 05:26 AM

Seriously man, are you off your meds tonight or sumthin?

**Blitz** · 02-22-2006, 05:26 AM

That was directed at 450, not you DM.

**FourFifty** · 02-22-2006, 05:33 AM

I never said high spots and flips are needed to be a good wrestler. You just took one person who I said was better than Trish, and I told you why I think Lita is better wrestler. I don't like Trish's move set. The springboard bulldog would be cool if someone like Brian Kendrick or Calrtio would do it, but Trish trying to pull it off as a finisher... I guess if Hogan can use a leg drop...

Now I'll be fair. Trish is a better wrestler than some people on the current roster. Maria, Ashley, Candice, Torrie Wilson... they suck compared to Trish. She's not the worst thing the WWE women's roster has going for them.

**blake639raw** · 02-22-2006, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FourFifty

I never said high spots and flips are needed to be a good wrestler. You just took one person who I said was better than Trish, and I told you why I think Lita is better wrestler.

I stopped reading at this point. Trish is a complete package. Is she the greatest wrestler on the planet? No, but she is solid, and easily the best women on the roster, with the possible exception of Victoria.

**What Would Kevin Do?** · 02-22-2006, 07:43 AM

Trish is a good wrestler. First, you can't get on her about a lackluster move set, because she does more moves than half the guys on the roster.

Second, how many of the people you named trained to wrestle, and for how long? Trish was a fitness model, who's only been a trained wrestler for a few years. Look at her five years ago, not only is she good, but in the comparitive amount of time, she's damn near great.

Plus, Trish can work the mic great, which is lacking in her division. If it was all about TnA, why do the diva searches get booed? Trish's looks are definately not the only reason people like her. Remember heel Trish? Heel Trish is golden.

Anywho, look at her matches w/ Victoria. They were great. Maybe if Tirsh wasn't being grouped /w people like Maria, Torrie, Candice, and Ashley, she'd be able to do more in the ring. One person, no matter how good, cannot carry a match w/ someone who is absolute shit in the ring.

**McLegend** · 02-22-2006, 12:17 PM

Victoria is easily the most overrated womens wrestler ever. Yes even more then Lita.

Every Victoria match the transiton between moves is never smooth. Seriosuly don't know why everyone loves her, but whatever. She isn't bad, but she isn't that great.

Like PH said though it's doesn't matter the women's divison is just there for T&A, and there is nothing wrong with that.

**D Mac** · 02-22-2006, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do?

Maybe if Tirsh wasn't being grouped /w people like Maria, Torrie, Candice, and Ashley, she'd be able to do more in the ring. One person, no matter how good, cannot carry a match w/ someone who is absolute shit in the ring.

I've never heard of this "Tirsh". Is she a new wrestler?

**D Mac** · 02-22-2006, 12:22 PM

Oh and...

G.I. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

**starfox8500** · 02-22-2006, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel Mac

WWE NEEDS GI HO!

I second that motion... I think that's all for today

**redoneja** · 02-22-2006, 12:42 PM

Honestly, I hate women's wrestling.

**PureHatred** · 02-22-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FourFifty

As eye candy, she can get over. Yeah, I'd hit it. Hell, I might even pay for it.

As women wrestlers go we've seen people that are so much better than her. Lita, .............

I stopped reading right. After that, nothing you've said has any validity. There's no way to justify saying Lita is anything but utter crap in the ring.

She was entertaining at firs tbecause all she would do is run in, do one high spot, and then leave. But once she actually had to string some moves together she was a total disaster. She can't sell, can't transition, she's a danger to herself and others.....

You're "opinion" on Trish is complete bunk.

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Originally Posted by Me

Trish can wrestle, work the mic, and the crowd. What more do you need to be good?

+ She's hot.

That pretty much says it all.

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As to the actual topic: as I said, for the most part, nobody gives a shit whether they can wrestle or not as long as they are hot and their segments are vaguely entertaining.

**Fryza** · 02-22-2006, 03:22 PM

Lita could wrestle when she first came in, and she was decent. Now... She's just a walking hazard.

As for Trish... Meh. She may be good on the mic, hot, and can wrestle, but I'm tired of seeing her. She's just getting boring- especially as Women's champion. All the storylines around her... She just... Bah, make her drop the title, get some heat going.

In that same sense, send Ashley to OVW and let her train. She could probably make a decent women's wrestler if she were to get more training. Certainly starting off better than Gayda.

And for God's sake, give Victoria her pyscho heel gimmick back...

**Xero** · 02-22-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel Mac

Oh and...

G.I. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Only YOU can rub out that crotch fire!

LOL, that sounded so wrong....

**master** · 02-22-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FourFifty

So can X-Pac. Your point?

first ive herd of it

**Favre4Ever** · 02-23-2006, 12:20 AM

I'll admit shes had the belt for a little too long. Aside from Victoria and Ashley, no one else really seems like compitition for her. But then again, that really isn't Trish's fault.

02-21-2006, 11:46 AM	#3
Xero He's Here Posts: 60,735	They are getting more attention and storylines, but the wrestling is just getting worse. The only three who can really wrestle on the entire roster are Trish, Victoria, and Mickie. The rest are just eyecandy who can take a bump, do a flashy, easy move, and do a headlock.

02-21-2006, 12:44 PM	#5
Stickman Stickman Posts: 15,119	There's usually some innovative move with the women, something the men never do.....except for the trampoline spot.

02-21-2006, 01:00 PM	#6
PureHatred Instant Credibility Posts: 2,979	God knows why this comes up every so often, but here every time it does I break out teh same argument so here it goes: The "Women's Division" is a complate waste of time if you are watching it for the wrestling. Clearly the great majority of the WWE fans don't give two shits about the in-ring performance. If they did, then women like Jazz and Molly an to a lesser extent even Gail Kim would still have jobs. Clearly the great majority of WWE fans really want to see T&A. Which is why th Diva segments get such high numbers. Basically the WWE figured out that pushing them as 'wrestlers' was a waste of time and have instead decided to ignore the ring work completely and focus on stories. So yeah, the 'women's division' is more entertaining lately becausethey've applied a nice little storyline. But the ringwork is still utter shit and saying anything otherwise is ignorant. One or two little spots does not cover up anything. This is more than likely what the WWE women's division is going to be from now on: smoking hot bitches running around showing off their cleavage involved in storylines with strong sexual overtones with the occasional shitty match thrown in here and there. And honestly, that doesn't sound that bad.

02-21-2006, 01:01 PM	#7
D Mac Posts: 21,603	T & A. That is all.

02-21-2006, 02:49 PM	#8
Corkscrewed Posts: 18,357	The thing that I notice often is that Victoria's matches are more innovative than 97% of all other matches I see on WWE programming.

02-22-2006, 01:08 AM	#10
D Mac Posts: 21,603	WWE NEEDS GI HO!

02-22-2006, 04:25 AM	#11
FourFifty As over as Crystal Pepsi Posts: 21,639	Here's how I see the women's division, as if anyone cares. Mickie James is hot. Her acting isn't the greatest, but come on, it's wrestling. We're not going to get an Oscar winning act from anyone. I think she's playing her role as the psycho chick very well. I'm not big into the women's matches but Mickie makes it worth watching. Victoria is a great wrestler. Everyone else is just eye candy.

02-22-2006, 04:28 AM	#12
Me Guest Posts: n/a	Trish is eye candy? Hot, definatly, but she CAN wrestle.

02-22-2006, 04:32 AM	#13
FourFifty As over as Crystal Pepsi Posts: 21,639	So can X-Pac. Your point?

02-22-2006, 04:36 AM	#16
Blitz Angel Headed Hipster Posts: 37,942	This thread gives me an idea for the Columns Forum, if Trips actually puts it up.

02-22-2006, 04:46 AM	#19
FourFifty As over as Crystal Pepsi Posts: 21,639	As eye candy, she can get over. Yeah, I'd hit it. Hell, I might even pay for it. As women wrestlers go we've seen people that are so much better than her. Lita, Ivory, Molly Holly, Luna Vachon, Alundra Blaze, Moolah, Young, Chyna, Jaquline, Woman... Trish is hot, and she's over because she's hot. She's not a great wrestler. And don't tell me you need to be a great wrestler to hold a title. Aside from the fact that the women's title has been passed around like a discount hooker at a frat house, and that they forgot about the women's title for around 6 months when Trish was injured, Hogan is far from the best wrestler. Look at him in the ring and tell me he was able to wrestle for his championships. What does that have to do with X-Pac? As a wrestler he wasn't over. As a part of DX people liked him because they liked DX. As a wrestler Trish isn't over. As a hottie, on the other hand, people love her.

02-22-2006, 05:14 AM	#20
D Mac Posts: 21,603	G.I. Ho could kick her ass.

02-22-2006, 05:17 AM	#21
Blitz Angel Headed Hipster Posts: 37,942	Are you fucking kidding me, saying that LITA is a better wrestler than Trish?

02-22-2006, 05:23 AM	#22
FourFifty As over as Crystal Pepsi Posts: 21,639	Throwing Lita in the mix shows you don't need much to be better than Trish. Aside from that you show me when Trish has pulled off a moonsault, a suicide dive, or a hurricarana. Yeah, the Chick Kick is alright, but any other move she does is crap.

02-22-2006, 05:25 AM	#24
Blitz Angel Headed Hipster Posts: 37,942	And we all know that high spots and flipping are the only things necessary to be a good wrestler.

02-22-2006, 05:26 AM	#26
Blitz Angel Headed Hipster Posts: 37,942	Seriously man, are you off your meds tonight or sumthin?

02-22-2006, 05:33 AM	#28
FourFifty As over as Crystal Pepsi Posts: 21,639	I never said high spots and flips are needed to be a good wrestler. You just took one person who I said was better than Trish, and I told you why I think Lita is better wrestler. I don't like Trish's move set. The springboard bulldog would be cool if someone like Brian Kendrick or Calrtio would do it, but Trish trying to pull it off as a finisher... I guess if Hogan can use a leg drop... Now I'll be fair. Trish is a better wrestler than some people on the current roster. Maria, Ashley, Candice, Torrie Wilson... they suck compared to Trish. She's not the worst thing the WWE women's roster has going for them.

02-22-2006, 07:43 AM	#30
What Would Kevin Do? Ninja Mod, Esquire Posts: 12,676	Trish is a good wrestler. First, you can't get on her about a lackluster move set, because she does more moves than half the guys on the roster. Second, how many of the people you named trained to wrestle, and for how long? Trish was a fitness model, who's only been a trained wrestler for a few years. Look at her five years ago, not only is she good, but in the comparitive amount of time, she's damn near great. Plus, Trish can work the mic great, which is lacking in her division. If it was all about TnA, why do the diva searches get booed? Trish's looks are definately not the only reason people like her. Remember heel Trish? Heel Trish is golden. Anywho, look at her matches w/ Victoria. They were great. Maybe if Tirsh wasn't being grouped /w people like Maria, Torrie, Candice, and Ashley, she'd be able to do more in the ring. One person, no matter how good, cannot carry a match w/ someone who is absolute shit in the ring.

02-22-2006, 12:17 PM	#31
McLegend Temporary Posts: 15,591	Victoria is easily the most overrated womens wrestler ever. Yes even more then Lita. Every Victoria match the transiton between moves is never smooth. Seriosuly don't know why everyone loves her, but whatever. She isn't bad, but she isn't that great. Like PH said though it's doesn't matter the women's divison is just there for T&A, and there is nothing wrong with that.

02-22-2006, 12:22 PM	#33
D Mac Posts: 21,603	Oh and... G.I. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

02-22-2006, 12:42 PM	#35
redoneja Posts: 5,629	Honestly, I hate women's wrestling.

02-22-2006, 03:22 PM	#37
Fryza Fthagn? Posts: 10,042	Lita could wrestle when she first came in, and she was decent. Now... She's just a walking hazard. As for Trish... Meh. She may be good on the mic, hot, and can wrestle, but I'm tired of seeing her. She's just getting boring- especially as Women's champion. All the storylines around her... She just... Bah, make her drop the title, get some heat going. In that same sense, send Ashley to OVW and let her train. She could probably make a decent women's wrestler if she were to get more training. Certainly starting off better than Gayda. And for God's sake, give Victoria her pyscho heel gimmick back...

02-23-2006, 12:20 AM	#40
Favre4Ever Incoming Text Posts: 2,646	I'll admit shes had the belt for a little too long. Aside from Victoria and Ashley, no one else really seems like compitition for her. But then again, that really isn't Trish's fault.