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Old 04-25-2006, 04:20 PM   #1
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I don't watch Tna...
Is it any good? Sell me on it
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Old 04-25-2006, 04:22 PM   #2
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Uh oh...

You see, I say that for a reason.

Let's say this "O" is the pro TNA fan base here: o

Now let's pretend that this "O" is the negative TNA fan base: O

You get my point?




TNA isn't horrible, but at the moment not exactly watchable in my opinion. They have some great talent, but I just can't get into their shit.
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Old 04-25-2006, 04:26 PM   #3
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I've seen a couple of christian promos and the sting thing but the rest i thought was pretty meh
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Old 04-25-2006, 04:27 PM   #5
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They don't introduce their own talents enough to new fans but they build wrestling matches far better than WWE has done in years.

Plus they have a bunch of guys I'm not totally sick of stinking up my living room. All they need to do now is get Benoit and Edge and I can forget WWE totally.
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I've seen a couple of christian promos and the sting thing but the rest i thought was pretty meh
They have some phenomenal talent, once you get past the fact their storylines make me wodner when Arquette's gonna get the title, and they usually just showcase spotfests, waste time with USA/Canada bullshit, and have like 4 tag matches a night.
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I hear alot of samoe joe. Over rated? Or Believe the hype?
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They don't introduce their own talents enough to new fans but they build wrestling matches far better than WWE has done in years.

Plus they have a bunch of guys I'm not totally sick of stinking up my living room. All they need to do now is get Benoit and Edge and I can forget WWE totally.
Yes wwe isn't exactly anywhere near brill at the minute, But it has a few standout guy's i enjoy wacthing like benoit, angle, jbl edge....any of these guys went tna i would be there in a shot!

Do they show this on the wrestling channel by the way?
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Old 04-25-2006, 04:40 PM   #9
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TNA is watchable. It's not as bad as people say it's also not as good people say.

If you want to watch something other then WWE then TNA is good for you. Also if you are bored then TNA is good time killer. Sometimes they have good matches sometimes they don't. A good amount of the time you are gonna get matches with 1 or 2 more flips then needed, but if you don't mind that then TNA is good for you. If you want to be up on all TNA one liners so you can say the same jokes over and over and over again then TNA is the best thing ever.
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I hear alot of samoe joe. Over rated? Or Believe the hype?
He's just intense. He's not the god people make him out to be, but he's no where near as bad as the people who bash him make him out to be. I really enjoy him.

TNA is picking up. I noticed on the last Impact that they've gotten better with their camera work.

You can't go wrong with Christian as the NWA champ.

Like mentioned, they have a lot of unbelievable talent, but not enough time to showcase it. You don't really get enough time to get to know most of the wrestlers, so you can't get too into them.

I don't even notice the six sided ring anymore.

TNA reminds me of an acrade wrestling game.

As a whole I feel TNA has been getting slightly better over the past few months.

Definitely check it out and see for yourself. It might take a few shows for you to get into it.
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1 or 2? Come on, I watch TNA pretty regularly, and it's not just the occasional extra flip, a lot of the matches rely on nothing but flips and other big spots to carry an overall crappy match.
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I hear alot of samoe joe. Over rated? Or Believe the hype?
Joe in the indies=good shit.

Joe in TNA=nothing like Joe elsewhere.

Seriously, the "Samoan Submisison Machine" has like two submission moves and is generally nothing in TNA.
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1 or 2? Come on, I watch TNA pretty regularly, and it's not just the occasional extra flip, a lot of the matches rely on nothing but flips and other big spots to carry an overall crappy match.
I was being generous
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Old 04-25-2006, 05:29 PM   #14
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If you want to see Joe outside of TNA, go right to Ring of Honor

Samoa Joe vs. Jay Briscoe, At Our Best

Samoa Joe vs. CM Punk I, II, and III

Samoa Joe vs. Low Ki, Glory by Honor

and yes, Samoa Joe vs. Kenta Kobashi, Joe vs. Kobashi
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Most of the action in TNA is the high-spot based American Junior style. This is mainly restricted to the X-Division tho. Main events in the heavyweight division are generally overbooked(IE have a lot of twists, turns, interference, etc) and are rarely pulled off w/o looking like a big clusterfuck. The booking is generally crap. Its sort of a hybrid of what most American indy feds have become and WWE.

It's not terrible but by no means should it be looked at as the best wrestling in North America. I catch a TNA show or PPV every now and then and its ususally hit or miss, there isn't much of a grey area. IMO, its worth watching to see a decent alternative and expand your horizons in American prowrestling. But its still far behind WWE in a number of ways, even with the shape the WWE is in now.
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Old 04-25-2006, 06:14 PM   #16
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Most of the action in TNA is the high-spot based American Junior style. This is mainly restricted to the X-Division tho. Main events in the heavyweight division are generally overbooked(IE have a lot of twists, turns, interference, etc) and are rarely pulled off w/o looking like a big clusterfuck. The booking is generally crap. Its sort of a hybrid of what most American indy feds have become and WWE.

It's not terrible but by no means should it be looked at as the best wrestling in North America. I catch a TNA show or PPV every now and then and its ususally hit or miss, there isn't much of a grey area. IMO, its worth watching to see a decent alternative and expand your horizons in American prowrestling. But its still far behind WWE in a number of ways, even with the shape the WWE is in now.
WAIT!





.... TNA has another division besides the X divison... ?
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Old 04-25-2006, 08:40 PM   #17
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Joe in the indies=good shit.

Joe in TNA=nothing like Joe elsewhere.

Seriously, the "Samoan Submisison Machine" has like two submission moves and is generally nothing in TNA.
The thing is with Joe in TNA, yes he has hardly any moves, but he doesn't seem to need them.You can easily get into his character and thats why people still love him in TNA.They only have an hour for a show so its not like he can do a lot anyway is it?His matches on PPV are far better.
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Old 04-25-2006, 08:50 PM   #18
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People love everyone in TNA.

They cheer the janitor.


That doesn't mean he endears himself to the people beyond Impact mutants and people already familliar with his Indy work.
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I've seen his indy stuff on TWC, so i know what he's about.I just like the way he's been booked in TNA and his matches on PPV make me forgive him not really putting much effort into the Impact shows.I guess if the PPVs wont for free on TWC i would be agreeing with you.
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The problem is, if you want to sell him to someone who hasn't seen him (Like, I don't know, the guy asking), it's difficult to say "He's really not trying here, but trust me, he's the shit when he puts in some effort."
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Yeah i know what you mean, if TNA had two hours im sure he would put more effort into his impact matches, as would a lot of other wrestlers in TNA.Were acting like Joe is the only one who does this, when he isn't, he's just one of the biggest names so we notice it more with him than others.
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You can't just blame the time limit. There are people in WWE who put a ton of effort into matches that are the same length.
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Yeah but they get two hours so they have more freedom to express themselves in the ring.

Look at heat and velocity though,ok you get the occasional good match but most of them are just boring squash matches due to the amount of time they get, they dont really do much at all other than..face gets momentum at start, heel dominates then face gets momentum back..and wins or loses.
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In the same length match? Dude, are you high or something? He has the exact same time constraints as many solid TV matches. There is no more reason for him to be lackluster in-ring than the WWE stars, and he has more talent, so he should be making better use of the time, not worse.
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Also, there have been some pretty great matches on Velocity. Consistantly. Not like, the occasionally fluke good match. The MExicools had a ton of great matches there. Same with London.
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In the same length match? Dude, are you high or something? He has the exact same time constraints as many solid TV matches. There is no more reason for him to be lackluster in-ring than the WWE stars, and he has more talent, so he should be making better use of the time, not worse.
Think about it for a second though, has he actually faced anybody decent on impact?Ive only ever seen him in squash matches when he's been on Impact, and no im not high right now.You're judging him on squash matches, i think you're the one thats high tbh.

Edit-when i said i've only ever seen him in squash matches, im referring to what ive seen of him on Impact, ofcourse as i said earlier ive seen his stuff on TNA PPV/indy matches.
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TNA is ok at the moment.

If they get of thier policy of delevering so much spots and get a 2 hour timeslot it will be alot better.
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Think about it for a second though, has he actually faced anybody decent on impact?Ive only ever seen him in squash matches when he's been on Impact, and no im not high right now.You're judging him on squash matches, i think you're the one thats high tbh.

Edit-when i said i've only ever seen him in squash matches, im referring to what ive seen of him on Impact, ofcourse as i said earlier ive seen his stuff on TNA PPV/indy matches.
He's faced a few decent opponents on Impact. It hasn't all been Squash matches.
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Old 04-25-2006, 10:00 PM   #29
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Like who?Im not talking about recently when they've stopped those squash matches btw.
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Wait, so recently doesn't count? Why? Because it's detrimental to your stance?
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Old 04-25-2006, 10:35 PM   #31
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No, recently doesnt count because they've only just started doing proper matches.You need to judge him over a period of time.If he doesn't start to put some effort into the real matches that he has on Impact, then ill start to critcise him more.
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Old 04-26-2006, 10:49 AM   #32
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I really don't understand your criticism of Joe, KK.I just watched his x-divison title match with Daniels on impact when he won the title back, and he did a lot more moves than he normally does, and the match was what i would call a classic for Impact, even though i already knew the result i managed to get into the match.

Oh and as this is all about TNA i might as well ask this now, why is it called 'the x-division'? Did they think that was just a cool letter to use or something?

Edit-Just realised i used the wrong word for 'won', fuck i've never done that before.
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Oh I forgot Rob Van Dam earlier. I'd rather give TNA it's chance rather than a rehashed ECW.
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Do they show this on the wrestling channel by the way?
Yeah. I think the new episodes of Impact are shown at 9pm on Saturdays.

Lockdown is on Sunday night at 8pm.

It's repeated a fair bit throughout the week as well.
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I really don't understand your criticism of Joe, KK.I just watched his x-divison title match with Daniels on impact when he won the title back, and he did a lot more moves than he normally does, and the match was what i would call a classic for Impact, even though i already knew the result i managed to get into the match.

Oh and as this is all about TNA i might as well ask this now, why is it called 'the x-division'? Did they think that was just a cool letter to use or something?

Edit-Just realised i used the wrong word for 'won', fuck i've never done that before.
Wow. You cited one match that you labelled a classic. I can see why you'd think he's awesome in TNA.
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I'm just saying that this proves my point, when he gets decent opponents and not squash matches, then he puts the effort in.

But yeah, you obviously have your opinion of Joe which isn't going to change no matter what i say or what Joe does in the ring by the looks of it,so this is a pointless discussion now.
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I'm just saying that this proves my point, when he gets decent opponents and not squash matches, then he puts the effort in.
No, it doesn't "prove your point," because you gave a single instance (I haven't seen it, so I cannot argue with you on its merits), which in no way proves that all he needs is a decent opponent.

And it in no way vindicates im from the casual fan standpoint, of someone who hasn't seen him before. One good match is not only not a good example, but it's a fucking poor selling point moreso than anything else.
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No, it doesn't "prove your point," because you gave a single instance (I haven't seen it, so I cannot argue with you on its merits), which in no way proves that all he needs is a decent opponent.

And it in no way vindicates im from the casual fan standpoint, of someone who hasn't seen him before. One good match is not only not a good example, but it's a fucking poor selling point moreso than anything else.
But where you're going wrong here is that you're missing my point that i said earlier (i hate to keep bring the same point up over and over) which is i'm also talking about his matches on PPV where he has been given far more time and put on classics with AJ/Daniels. This just adds to my point im trying to make.Its not just one good match, it was what i would call a classic, and that was the first time on impact where ive seen him in a proper match.

Btw,earlier you said mexicools/paul london can put on good matches on velocity with a short amount of time.Well,ofcourse they can, they can move faster around the ring with the time they have as they're cruiserweights and pull off better moves, Joe is much slower, so needs a bit longer to pull off a good match.
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That's the most idiotic excuse I can think of. Joes doesn't need more time. I've seen him make good matches, slow or not. Come on. Now you're shitting on Joe in an attempt to defend him.

Also, you didn't prove your point, you made a statement of opinion, and I haven't seen enough special in his matches to sell people, which is the core argument you should be worried about.

I've already conceded that he has the capacity to put on good matches. Hell, I conceded nothing--I flat out stated it initially. Trying to defend him for putting on lazy, shitty matches doesn't make his Impact stuff (the meat and potatoes which will hook in wrestling fans) any better, nor has he really stepped up with better opponents.
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