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Old 12-03-2006, 10:19 PM   #161
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Fuck it, more time to watch Broncos-Seahawks on Channel 5.

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I am now going to refer to Lashley's "spear" as the "Hug of Extreme Discomfort."
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I've been watching wrestling for 15 years +, I've sat through some awful shows as well as some awesome ones... ECW December To Dismember has to be Top 10 on my Worst Shows Of All-Time list.

Any long time UK fans might know what I'm talking about when I say that ranks right up there with WWF No Mercy in Manchester, 1999.
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:20 PM   #164
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We all just saw them attempt to bury Punk...watch out for the conspiracy theories following him overshadowing DX.
I called that the day after SS. Punk has got absolutely nothing out of this match. Not even a possible feud to run with. Back to Mike 'was he in the match?' Knox for you Mr Pepsi.
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well this makes me glad i don't order PPV's anymore
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LOL fucking pathetic, this seemed more like a half assed smackdown ppv than an ecw ppv. I really think wwe need to go back to having just 4 ppv's ayear, this monthly shit is just getting worse and worse, all the ppv's boil down to these days is a raw or smackdown show with different banners and set designs, theres absoloutely fuck all special about them anymore.

And that elimination chamber match was easily the worst one yet, about 15 mins into it and three people are already eliminated? WTF? Had the crowd shouting bullshit at sabu's "injury" backstage and they were shouting it again during the chamber match. :foc:
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:24 PM   #167
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I've been watching wrestling for 15 years +, I've sat through some awful shows as well as some awesome ones... ECW December To Dismember has to be Top 10 on my Worst Shows Of All-Time list.

Any long time UK fans might know what I'm talking about when I say that ranks right up there with WWF No Mercy in Manchester, 1999.
At least Austin won the main event in that and the crowd popped. Tonight was possibly on par with Great American Bash 1991.
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Well RVD's contract is up in 6 months...
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I've been watching wrestling for 15 years +, I've sat through some awful shows as well as some awesome ones... ECW December To Dismember has to be Top 10 on my Worst Shows Of All-Time list.

Any long time UK fans might know what I'm talking about when I say that ranks right up there with WWF No Mercy in Manchester, 1999.
You aren't wrong Carl, I remember them really bigging up No Mercy, and being completely and utterly gutted that I spent money on it.

I can see, in the UKs case, why the WWE didn't ask Sky to put it on PPV. They had no intention of putting on a decent show. At all. I only watched the 2nd half of it, but from Carls commentary on the first half, the only match of note was between Raw & SD 'reformed for a night' tag teams.

I just wonder how much longer ECW can survive. I don't think any ECW wrestler came out of this event looking any more over or having put on any sort of performance. If Lashley had come out first, and ended the match covered in his own blood holding the ECW title, you could even say that may have been iconic, especially of ECW. But he ended up with fireworks going off behind him and not looking like he broke a sweat.

Terrible, I feel for people who shelled out hard-earned on this.
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It's taught me a lesson, though. I might have paid for this if it had been PPV in the UK.

Now, I'll think verrrrry carefully before buying a future ECW show on PPV.
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:32 PM   #171
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I can't believe how bad these last two WWE PPVs have been

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Old 12-03-2006, 10:33 PM   #172
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The WWE are making it fucking hard for themselves. Hmm, let's see, we have the uber-over CM Punk, who out-popped our hardest pushed babyfaces, and merchandise movers, at his first interpromotional PPV, when he's on quite the low-rated cable show. So what does the WWE do? Job him out first. That was fucking stupid. Holly should have gone before Punk, at the very least, just to cushion the blow.

I guess I was wrong about Triple H actually liking Punk, and when he made those comments about Punk not being able to control a crowd, he wasn't being sarcastic. Because everything was done to destroy CM Punk's heat here tonight.

Even Test's sick-ass Flying Elbow wasn't enough to save that booking abomination. I hate to turn on Paul Heyman like this, because I also believe Lashley could be a huge star, but he was people's third preference to win the Elimination Chamber. You could make cases with either CM Punk or Rob Van Dam being the most over guy in the match, but Lashley is nowhere near them. He's not established enough. Sure, Punk has only been in the WWE five months, but he's got the win-loss record and following to thrive as ECW Champion.

The WWE fucked it up in the last Elimination Chamber, too. The final three were John Cena, Carlito and Chris Masters. People wanted to see Kurt Angle win it, or maybe even Kane. If I remember correctly, Shawn Michaels was in this match. Either of those three men would have been acceptable. Who was eliminated first? You betcha! Just so they can make Cena look like Superman.

We don't need Lashley looking like Superman as well. Three Supermen World Champs. Yay. All I can say is the WWE is making it hard for themselves. Sure, maybe the WWE is trying to attract a mainstream crowd, but using guys that the fans don't give a shit about (no offence to Lashley, but did you hear his reaction tonight?), and making them seem like the next big thing, when at this stage of their career, they are clearly not, is a HUGE mistake.

I was happy with my PPV purchase until CM Punk was eliminated. The opening tag team match was FANTASTIC. Matt Striker is a great wrestler, with so much potential and personality. Balls Mahoney was over, too. Daivari and Dreamer didn't put on an atrocity, nor did Kevin Thorn and Mike Knox. I liked the booking of that one, too. Everything was fine until the main event.

I seriously think CM Punk needs to go to SmackDown! after this. He needs to go work some matches with William Regal and Finlay, and get some heat back. This has left him dead in the water. Test is the guy who looked best in the Chamber, tonight, and he was pinned by Lashley rather easily. You can't exactly use him as a World Title contender. Truth be told, there is no one. They need to fold this new ECW immediately.
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:34 PM   #173
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It's taught me a lesson, though. I might have paid for this if it had been PPV in the UK.

Now, I'll think verrrrry carefully before buying a future ECW show on PPV.
I haven't paid for a WWE PPV for years, and tbh, I can't say - seeing the results during that time, that I missed particularly much.

I don't mind dl'ing them, and avoiding the spoilers for a day or two.

BUT, I will stay up and watch Raw tomorrow night if the girlfriend lets me. Just in case (something wonderful happens).
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:34 PM   #174
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The booking was just so backwards...they completely buried RVD and Punk in 10 minutes to Test who then got mauled easily by Lashley, who then easily beat the Big Show. I know the idea is to put over Lashley...but he has no personality, is sloppy in the ring, has a laughable finisher and represents nothing that ECW should stand for. Like you I'm so glad this one was free because I would have paid for it in the belief that they'd pull it off. They didn't, I won't consider paying for anything until I read the results from now on.
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:37 PM   #175
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I think you said it right Alienoid, 3 superman world champs who probably won't drop their titles until Mania at the earliest. All the major champs are faces. No-one chasing anything. Nothing and no-one to root for.

Question is, is there any point in watching any WWE programming til the Rumble?
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Test is the most believable and most legitamate heel in the biz,

They need the title on him as soon as possible,

Have Test loss to punk at Mania, instant classic
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:41 PM   #177
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Test4champ, you are bonkers.
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See, I was a sucker, and bought Survivor Series as well. SS got a grading of C- from me. It wasn't dreadful, and I wasn't too pissed off I had spent money on it. But I wasn't satisfied, either. December to Dismember gets a D+ from me. It was OK, with potential to be good, until CM Punk was eliminated, and then all hope was lost when RVD went in that amazing spot. It really says something about the booking when a great match, some great spots, and Paul Heyman cannot make a PPV pass.

Rob Van Dam wants out, and I don't blame him. TNA for him, and God bless him for that. At least when you order a TNA PPV, you know you are getting a B-quality show, in match quality alone. Sabu will probably be gone soon, too. He could do some good shit with Abyss and RVD in TNA.

If I were CM Punk, I'd not be re-signing with the WWE, either. Sure, it may be where the money is, it may be where the fame is, but TNA is swelling up, slowly and steadily. Go there, be used correctly (they know what he is capable of this time), and help sink the WWE, because it obviously wants to be sank.

This ECW project is dead. It's got nowhere to go. Lashley could turn heel this week, reveal he is the greatest wrestler ever, with the most charisma ever, and he'd still have no one to face him. Oh wait, Balls Mahoney. Then there's no one else to face him. Balls fucking Mahoney is the best challenger for Bobby Lashley. Followed closely by The Sandman. Fuck this shit.

I'm going to order Armageddon, too. I've always intended on ordering Armageddon. As a rule of thumb, I always order shows with Paul London & Brian Kendrick on them. Why? Because they fucking deliver. Even though The Undertaker will likely shit up the place, and as much as I hate to say it Kane/MVP won't help, nor will the main event, even though it has two of my favourites in it, I just can't help but feel like London, Kendrick, Helms, Regal, Taylor and Yang deserve my money.

But because the WWE has let me down with the past two shows, I'm probably going to skip-out on New Year's Revolution and the Royal Rumble. Yes, I'm going to miss the Rumble. You know The Undertaker is going to win, or some other lame-ass shit.
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:45 PM   #179
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It's that or Lashley vs Monty Brown or Khali by the looks of things at the moment!
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I think you said it right Alienoid, 3 superman world champs who probably won't drop their titles until Mania at the earliest. All the major champs are faces. No-one chasing anything. Nothing and no-one to root for.

Question is, is there any point in watching any WWE programming til the Rumble?
More importantly, who is going to win the Rumble? The next time a World Championship is defended on PPV is when John Cena faces Umaga. They can't possibly go with Umaga vs. John Cena as the main event of WrestleMania, can they?

They've booked themselves into a wall. They're going to need to go face vs. face, which means Batista vs. The Undertaker will likely happen. Oh, joy of joys.

They should just fold ECW, turn the Rumble into a unification match, and let Heyman book until WrestleMania, so hopefully it can be saved.
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Test is the most believable and most legitamate heel in the biz,

They need the title on him as soon as possible,

Have Test loss to punk at Mania, instant classic
I don't agree with the first line, but I think you could be right about the rest (except for "instant classic")
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If I were CM Punk, I'd not be re-signing with the WWE, either. Sure, it may be where the money is, it may be where the fame is, but TNA is swelling up, slowly and steadily. Go there, be used correctly (they know what he is capable of this time), and help sink the WWE, because it obviously wants to be sank.
Yeah the last time he was there, they booked him worse than what the WWE is doing right now.

He and RVD should say FU to TNA and WWE and goto (well go back to, in Punk's case) ROH.
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I don't agree with the first line, but I think you could be right about the rest (except for "instant classic")
Test vs. Punk would be better than anything else they could put out
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Damn right they should let Heyman book, but they should let him book ECW, not fold it just yet. It's still salvagable, away from Stephanie's crayons.
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Test vs. Punk would be better than anything else they could put out
Other than Rob Van Dam vs C.M. Punk, but that won't happen.

Anyway, as much as I think they should run with Punk, we're probably more likely to get Test vs Lashley or something equally inane at WrestleMania, with Punk buried in the dark match battle royal. He's going the way of Carlito.
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RVD vs Punk?
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Alienoid, you're dead on. This new ECW needs to go.

Van Dam needs to go to TNA. In a way, he hurt himself with the drugs. But he can be used in so many different ways, especially with the possibilities of him and Styles, Daniels, Abyss, Sabu, Angle, Christian, Rhyno. IF TNA were smart, and RVD and Sabu land in their lap, start a new division in TNA. Maybe name it the Extreme Hardcore Wrestling title or something to that effect. Maybe even copyright the Hardcore title or something.

Lashley is not a draw. I do not understand why people are always all over his nuts. I could really see Monty Brown vs Lashley taking place now.

I will be going to Buffalo Wild wings to watch the next 3 PPV's. But mark my words, the next 3 PPV's are do or die for the WWE.
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Old 12-03-2006, 11:09 PM   #190
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Well, I always thought the Royal Rumble is impossible to fuck up, but after watching them kill off both the Survivor Series and Elimination Chamber concepts in two consecutive PPVs I'm seriously worried about the Rumble. They'll prob make it a 10 man match, with 30 seconds between entrants, and have Kevin Federline win it, the way things are going.
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Old 12-03-2006, 11:11 PM   #191
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They are not that stupid
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Old 12-03-2006, 11:15 PM   #192
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Old 12-03-2006, 11:24 PM   #194
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How much did this PPV cost? I only got to see the Elimination Chamber at a friend's house after work, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't much longer than 2 hours, was it?
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Thousands of fans, thousands of future PPV buyrates, C.M. Punk's push, the Elimination Chamber aura, Lashley's credibility and an entire brand down the toilet.

So quite a lot.

Oh, you mean....
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Old 12-03-2006, 11:29 PM   #196
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Somebody (I forget who) earlier in the thread said it cost the standard $40, and it lasted (if TPWW Time is accurate) 2 hours and 13 mins.
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And all that stuff NeanderCarl mentioned.
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Old 12-03-2006, 11:31 PM   #199
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Glad I didnt even go waste my money at Buffalo Wild Wings
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That's fucked up. They used to have In Your House for 2 hours and it was only 15 bucks. Some of those were actually decent, too.

I think some of you may be overreacting about this being the end of CM Punk's push, though.
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